Poll: What is your stance on Guns?

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TheJesus89

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Guns should be allowed to the public, but controlled.


It seems like every British person automatically think "Right to Bear Arms = Increase in Crime". That's just not true. Serial numbers help track guns and owners, so it actually makes criminals easier to catch.

You could say that "well what about people who aren't registered shooters that own guns bought illegally?", which is a pretty valid argument. But it also works both ways. If you're going to commit a crime, especially murder/robbery, I don't think having to buy a gun illegally would deter you.

Sure, it doesn't stop everybody, but it does help a lot.

And it keeps the Republicans happy, so everybody wins.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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progunliberty said:
CM156 said:
progunliberty said:
derdeutschmachine said:
well, I own 9 guns as it is and plan to get my FFL with a class 3 license to deal I also have a permit to carry a concealed firearm which I do almost daily. I don't need to rely on anyone if someone or something comes at me, I'll be prepared. I do believe better regulation needs to be put in place but banning weapons is foolish. If people want them, they get them. If ever laws were passed to strip the populace of their right to own guns, I'd be up there with all my buddies rifles and pistols in hand ready to fight and die for my rights.

I trust my 454 and 1911 alot more than I trust my government.
O god you're a very bad man. destroy those firearms now. What if someone wanted to start a communist regime and take over the country? we can't have you pro freedom gun owners fighting back! Its just not right
I'd thought we'd go more than a page before someone envoked Poe's Law. A shame, really.
In English please
Very well.

Because this is the internet, I cannot tell if you are a parody of the idea behind the right of gun ownership, or someone who is actually using hyperbole in a debate like this.
 

Woodsey

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The big problem that will inevitably come up is the difference between America and most of Europe.

To me, "I need a gun to protect my home," is fucking nonsense. I'm sure to plenty of Americans its not too much of an exaggeration, although it is your own faults to begin with.
 

NickCaligo42

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I've got a firearm ownership license, myself, and your poll options are... lacking, both in appeal and in seemingly any sort of knowledge of firearm ownership in the United States.

Small pistols are worse and often more restricted than rifles and shotguns... the reason being that the smaller the weapon, the more concealable it is. Concealed carry licenses are therefore difficult to get in the few states and cities that actually allow them, generally restricted to the police. Everybody else who carries a pistol, they've got to carry it in a case, and must keep it in the trunk of a vehicle. Well, that or they could have a holster right out in the open, inviting suspicion, fear, and sour looks.

Rifles, though, require fewer restrictions for two reasons. First, there's a lot of hunting that goes on. It makes sense to allow families and the like who live in places like Alaska, Minnesota, and other middle-of-nowhere states to be able to have the means to do it. In some communities this isn't a pastime, it's almost an outright need as citizens are so far from any legitimate farmland, let alone a decent and reliable source of livestock, that... yeah, you eat deer, rabbits, and whatever else you can shoot for a meal. Second, you can't hide a rifle and most hunting firearms make hugely impractical combat and murder weapons. Rifles and rifle ammunition can thus be purchased by individuals of a considerably younger age than pistols--as young as 13 to 16 in some places.

Granted, a lot of gun stores do sell weapons like the PS-90; IE, a semi-automatic configuration of the P-90... which is disabled from automatic fire, autofire being strictly illegal to have if you're a civilian. When these weapons are sold, they're semi-automatic at the very best, effectively reduced to glorified decorations and novelty weapons compared with a decent revolver or semi-automatic pistol. They're harder to aim, harder to clean, bulkier, and the ammo is expensive and difficult to make yourself, as many gun enthusiasts do.

Their main appeal is with hicks who like the idea of military hardware so much that they'll splurge on a hilariously impractical and overpriced replica... though sometimes they've been known to have them illegally modified to be automatic for kicks. Nothing stops criminals from doing that secretly, you understand, no matter how the weapons are licensed or sold. Or from obtaining fully automatic versions of these weapons or more dangerous ones on the black market, but that brings me to another point...

Ulquiorra4sama said:
OT: I don't think anyone outside law-enforcement should be allowed to carry arms unless they've got a certificate of some kind that says they're fully capable of handling a gun.
That's how it usually is--hence the firearm ownership card... which does absolutely nothing to prevent crime.

Note that we're trying to prevent guns from being in the hands of CRIMINALS, and criminals don't care that they're breaking a law by illegally owning a gun. Plus, a person with no criminal record can seem like a straight-up guy one minute, then the next be on a school rampage. All the restriction of firearm ownership does in terms of crime prevention is prevent repeat criminals from using legitimate channels to purchase weapons to do more crime.

Still. There's always a way to get a gun, and the mere fact that it's illegal for a felon to own one isn't going to prevent a felon from seeking it out. That's why they're felons in the first place. Not saying we shouldn't have the restrictions, I believe that we should--just that in terms of prevention of shootings that it doesn't do anything.

What it does do is keep guns out of the hands of kids. That's a good thing.
 

genericusername64

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NickCaligo42 said:
extremely long quote that goes into the specifics of guns and how smaller guns may be more dangerous than larger guns
I'm not an NRA member and most of the things I do know about guns come from videogames, so I'm not the most knowledgeable about them, I do understand that rifles and shotguns are more or less used everyday, and usually to hunt animals. The poll can't be edited no matter how many times I try.
Edit: BTW Perfect O Ryan and Progun Liberty are trollin'
 

TheYellowCellPhone

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I'm a huge Second Amendment supporter, so go firearms. Woo.

And I will flip my shit if gun debates start taking over the Escapist AGAIN.
 

Agayek

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Well, considering the one principle I hold above all others is individual liberty, followed closely by personal responsibility, I see absolutely no reason people shouldn't be free to have whatever weapons they want and can afford.

For those against the idea, be aware that guns (or any weapon for that matter) do not create criminals or kill people. They are merely a tool, just like a rock or a computer. The only real weapon is the person behind it. Human ingenuity, determination and desperation have caused uncountable orders of magnitude more deaths than any physical tool can ever hope to. If someone wants something dead, it is going to die, regardless of the presence of weapons. Even a nuke is nothing compared to a clever individual with a plan.
 

Zykon TheLich

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My stance is "I don't give a shit what the Americans do in their own country".

As far as my own country goes I think the pre Hungerford/Dunblane laws were fine.
 

Blue2

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Mr.Pandah said:
rokkolpo said:
I'm not against guns.

I'm against dangerous* people owning guns.

*Dangerous=stupid
Pretty much this.

I'm a gun owner and I see no problem in a properly trained civilian who has had a background check and all that jazz owning a gun. Even with a right to carry, I still see no problem. A gun is a tool, just like a knife, or a screwdriver, or a car. It's the user that gives it the ability to do whatever they wish with it.
I fully agree both of you. A gun should be the last resort however some "dangerous*" people think it's a good idea to pull a gun anytime he/she wants regardless the size of the issue is. Leave the guns to the professionals. imo.
 

Asehujiko

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Considering that accidental gun deaths outnumber gun crime by several orders of magnitude, they should only be handled by trained professionals.

Yes, blabla armed criminals blabla self defense blabla. Shut up. You are 2500 times more likely to hit yourself or somebody near you because of your own incompetence then that you are to take out an assailant with it.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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Asehujiko said:
Considering that accidental gun deaths outnumber gun crime by several orders of magnitude, they should only be handled by trained professionals.

Yes, blabla armed criminals blabla self defense blabla. Shut up. You are 2500 times more likely to hit yourself or somebody near you because of your own incompetence then that you are to take out an assailant with it.
[Citation Needed]

I'm wondering where you got those numbers, dear reader.
 

Verlander

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Owning a gun if you don't play gun sports is pretty stupid. If you advocate gun ownership, and you are affected by gun crime, that's just a sweet irony
 

KnightDragul

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I'm new here, (from Australia) I think it's less about the guns themselves and more about the people who own them and the laws involved. They should be cracking down more on illegal guns then just banning people from having them + fix up stupid laws regarding them. Like others have said only people with proper trainging and background should be allowed to have them and they should be checked once a year to ensure they're still capable and responsible.

P.S

Their was a story in the news here awhile back, Man comes home to find 4 men in his house robbing it. One of the bad guys pulls gun on him they struggle gun goes off, bad guy gets shot in leg, three other crims all run to getaway car and leave shot guy behind. He runs off bleeds out due to bullet hitting artery and dies couple blocks from house they were robbing.

Home owner is now being charged with murder...... WTF!?

One thing I like about America is if you come home and there's someone robbing your house you have the right to beat the crap outta them or shoot them. I get told at work (retail) if a customer assaults me or runs out with merchandise once their out store I can't grab them without being charged. Fucked up world we live in where a crim can sue me for Assault + 3 other things cause I dragged them back to shop with one of our games/game consoles under their jacket.


*Exhales* Rant over.
 

vxicepickxv

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Asehujiko said:
Considering that accidental gun deaths outnumber gun crime by several orders of magnitude, they should only be handled by trained professionals.

Yes, blabla armed criminals blabla self defense blabla. Shut up. You are 2500 times more likely to hit yourself or somebody near you because of your own incompetence then that you are to take out an assailant with it.
People say I'm some kind of damn hippie if I even suggest competent class time before you handle a firearm.

A lot of people who have gun accidents don't understand how dangerous guns are, and how fast they accidents can happen if you don't know what you're doing.
 

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Ulquiorra4sama said:
OT: I don't think anyone outside law-enforcement should be allowed to carry arms unless they've got a certificate of some kind that says they're fully capable of handling a gun.

Anything beyond that seems messed up to me.
I can't speak for anywhere except where I live (Texas), but that is pretty much exactly how it works here. To purchase a firearm you have to have background checks with waiting periods. To legally carry your firearm outside of your home you need a license to carry said firearm which involves at least some training and papers to be filed.

I know that most people think Americans can just walk into a bank, open an account and recieve a free gun (thanks a lot Michael Moore), but that really is not the case. The criminals who procure illegal weapons are the only ones who can easily get a weapon without training or licensing. And I think even us gun nuts down here in Texas (*tobacco spit for dramatic effect*) would agree that those kinds of gun crimes are bad.
 

RedRockRun

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If guns are outlawed only outlaws will own guns.

It's as simple as that. I practice my 2nd Amendment rights, and I own many guns. Woe to he who tries to hurt my family or myself.
 

StrixMaxima

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progunliberty said:
O god you're a very bad man. destroy those firearms now. What if someone wanted to start a communist regime and take over the country? we can't have you pro freedom gun owners fighting back! Its just not right
It is because of immature, puerile people like this that guns should be restricted to elite teams to be deployed in the direst cases. It is amazing the number of new accounts created just to act all macho about this...

In my country, it is a proven and very known fact that most guns ending up in felon's hands once belonged to stupid civilians who thought they could go Rambo against anyone who "invaded their property". For every robber that gets shot, we have dozens of civilians harmed with their own "means of protection".

Constitutions should be rewritten at least every 100 years. I am slightly flabbergasted that many Americans use the 2nd Amendment as a defense against gun control while deliberately ignoring the HUGE historical gap between these two times. Even good ideas sometimes do not stand the test of time.

The less guns around, at all levels, the better.
 

Versuvius

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Just because you have the right to, doesn't mean you should. That's just about it. In britain i don't think guns should be easy to get hold of considering the sheer utter stupidity of some of our inhabitants who WILL use them to look 'ard. Coulnd't speak for america though some US ...aquaintences fetishism over their weapon of choice is disconcerting.