Poll: What is your stance on Guns?

[Agayek]

Well, considering the one principle I hold above all others is individual liberty, followed closely by personal responsibility, I see absolutely no reason people shouldn't be free to have whatever weapons they want and can afford.

For those against the idea, be aware that guns (or any weapon for that matter) do not create criminals or kill people. They are merely a tool, just like a rock or a computer. The only real weapon is the person behind it. Human ingenuity, determination and desperation have caused uncountable orders of magnitude more deaths than any physical tool can ever hope to. If someone wants something dead, it is going to die, regardless of the presence of weapons. Even a nuke is nothing compared to a clever individual with a plan.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

My stance is "I don't give a shit what the Americans do in their own country".

As far as my own country goes I think the pre Hungerford/Dunblane laws were fine.

 

[Blue2]

I'm not against guns.

I'm against dangerous* people owning guns.

*Dangerous=stupid

Pretty much this.

I'm a gun owner and I see no problem in a properly trained civilian who has had a background check and all that jazz owning a gun. Even with a right to carry, I still see no problem. A gun is a tool, just like a knife, or a screwdriver, or a car. It's the user that gives it the ability to do whatever they wish with it.

I fully agree both of you. A gun should be the last resort however some "dangerous*" people think it's a good idea to pull a gun anytime he/she wants regardless the size of the issue is. Leave the guns to the professionals. imo.

 

[Asehujiko]

Considering that accidental gun deaths outnumber gun crime by several orders of magnitude, they should only be handled by trained professionals.

Yes, blabla armed criminals blabla self defense blabla. Shut up. You are 2500 times more likely to hit yourself or somebody near you because of your own incompetence then that you are to take out an assailant with it.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Considering that accidental gun deaths outnumber gun crime by several orders of magnitude, they should only be handled by trained professionals.

Yes, blabla armed criminals blabla self defense blabla. Shut up. You are 2500 times more likely to hit yourself or somebody near you because of your own incompetence then that you are to take out an assailant with it.

[Citation Needed]

I'm wondering where you got those numbers, dear reader.

 

[Verlander]

Owning a gun if you don't play gun sports is pretty stupid. If you advocate gun ownership, and you are affected by gun crime, that's just a sweet irony

 

[KnightDragul]

I'm new here, (from Australia) I think it's less about the guns themselves and more about the people who own them and the laws involved. They should be cracking down more on illegal guns then just banning people from having them + fix up stupid laws regarding them. Like others have said only people with proper trainging and background should be allowed to have them and they should be checked once a year to ensure they're still capable and responsible.

P.S

Their was a story in the news here awhile back, Man comes home to find 4 men in his house robbing it. One of the bad guys pulls gun on him they struggle gun goes off, bad guy gets shot in leg, three other crims all run to getaway car and leave shot guy behind. He runs off bleeds out due to bullet hitting artery and dies couple blocks from house they were robbing.

Home owner is now being charged with murder...... WTF!?

One thing I like about America is if you come home and there's someone robbing your house you have the right to beat the crap outta them or shoot them. I get told at work (retail) if a customer assaults me or runs out with merchandise once their out store I can't grab them without being charged. Fucked up world we live in where a crim can sue me for Assault + 3 other things cause I dragged them back to shop with one of our games/game consoles under their jacket.


*Exhales* Rant over.

 

[vxicepickxv]

Considering that accidental gun deaths outnumber gun crime by several orders of magnitude, they should only be handled by trained professionals.

Yes, blabla armed criminals blabla self defense blabla. Shut up. You are 2500 times more likely to hit yourself or somebody near you because of your own incompetence then that you are to take out an assailant with it.

People say I'm some kind of damn hippie if I even suggest competent class time before you handle a firearm.

A lot of people who have gun accidents don't understand how dangerous guns are, and how fast they accidents can happen if you don't know what you're doing.

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

OT: I don't think anyone outside law-enforcement should be allowed to carry arms unless they've got a certificate of some kind that says they're fully capable of handling a gun.

Anything beyond that seems messed up to me.

I can't speak for anywhere except where I live (Texas), but that is pretty much exactly how it works here. To purchase a firearm you have to have background checks with waiting periods. To legally carry your firearm outside of your home you need a license to carry said firearm which involves at least some training and papers to be filed.

I know that most people think Americans can just walk into a bank, open an account and recieve a free gun (thanks a lot Michael Moore), but that really is not the case. The criminals who procure illegal weapons are the only ones who can easily get a weapon without training or licensing. And I think even us gun nuts down here in Texas (*tobacco spit for dramatic effect*) would agree that those kinds of gun crimes are bad.

 

[RedRockRun]

If guns are outlawed only outlaws will own guns.

It's as simple as that. I practice my 2nd Amendment rights, and I own many guns. Woe to he who tries to hurt my family or myself.

 

[StrixMaxima]

O god you're a very bad man. destroy those firearms now. What if someone wanted to start a communist regime and take over the country? we can't have you pro freedom gun owners fighting back! Its just not right

It is because of immature, puerile people like this that guns should be restricted to elite teams to be deployed in the direst cases. It is amazing the number of new accounts created just to act all macho about this...

In my country, it is a proven and very known fact that most guns ending up in felon's hands once belonged to stupid civilians who thought they could go Rambo against anyone who "invaded their property". For every robber that gets shot, we have dozens of civilians harmed with their own "means of protection".

Constitutions should be rewritten at least every 100 years. I am slightly flabbergasted that many Americans use the 2nd Amendment as a defense against gun control while deliberately ignoring the HUGE historical gap between these two times. Even good ideas sometimes do not stand the test of time.

The less guns around, at all levels, the better.

 

[Mark Hardigan]

I'm against, for the most part, any type of gun control.

 

[Versuvius]

Just because you have the right to, doesn't mean you should. That's just about it. In britain i don't think guns should be easy to get hold of considering the sheer utter stupidity of some of our inhabitants who WILL use them to look 'ard. Coulnd't speak for america though some US ...aquaintences fetishism over their weapon of choice is disconcerting.

 

[Agayek]

The less guns around, at all levels, the better.

I just gotta ask, why do you have the right to make that decision for the rest of the world? What right do you have to force your worldview on everyone else?

 

[StrixMaxima]

The less guns around, at all levels, the better.

I just gotta ask, why do you have the right to make that decision for the rest of the world? What right do you have to force your worldview on everyone else?

I don't have the right. All I am giving is my opinion.

Isn't that obvious?

 

[mitchell271]

Alright, the people who said that we should be able to do everything the military does... I don't... I can't... really!?!? We should get tanks and Predator/Reaper drones, we should be allowed to have artillery cannons on our front lawns, we should all have an M16A4 with an under-barrel M203 and any scope we want! NO WE SHOULD NOT!! If you want to use these things, join the damn military! See, to buy a rifle in the states, you get a permit and a license, then you buy the gun. You don't need training, you don't need to pass a background check, just get enough money, wait a week and then, "Here's your rifle, have fun."

No, civilians don't need guns. At all. If you desperately want a weapon in your house learn to use the one you've had all your life: your body. Master a martial art or two and you will decimate anyone who tries to break into your home.

O god you're a very bad man. destroy those firearms now. What if someone wanted to start a communist regime and take over the country? we can't have you pro freedom gun owners fighting back! Its just not right

I really hope your trolling, otherwise you understand why people are against gun control in the first place, right? It's because of stupid fucks like you.

 

[Mercsenary]

Personally I think the Gun Culture is so engrained into American culture I don't think it is leaving anytime soon.

I for one all for gun control and think they should be banned amongst the general public.

Yes that'll keep them from the criminals!

If someone hold sa gun up to your head and it goes click, fuck that I want my own to shoot them.

Their right to life ends when they try to take yours.

 

[faspxina]

The less guns around, at all levels, the better.

I just gotta ask, why do you have the right to make that decision for the rest of the world? What right do you have to force your worldview on everyone else?

Why do you think he implied he had that right?

 

[Agayek]

Because we "The tyrants" said so. He is potential member of our inner circle, "tyrants against guns". You have a problem with that? Zen face the high polish Mauser kar98k rifle from the hands of ze wehrmacht.

Really, that's the only valid response to this.

I don't have the right. All I am giving is my opinion.

Isn't that obvious?

Well yea, but it's just as obvious you believe your opinion to be correct and that it should be enforced. If such were to happen, you would be forcing your worldview on the rest of the universe. Assuming it were to happen, what gives you the right to do that? Why should your point of view be forced on everyone else?

I've debated the point with a few people with similar views to yours, and I've never received a satisfactory answer to that question, which is why I ask.

 

[LordLundar]

Let's make a point perfectly clear here. Guns are a weapon. They're primary purpose is to injure or eliminate whatever they are utilized against. This is not an opinion, it's a fact. The same goes for bows, swords, or any object designed primarily to be a weapon. Yes, there's the claim of self defense, but that is accomplished by either threatening to, or actually using the weapon to injure or kill.

A proper education in the dangers and subsequently proper handling, respect, and safety of such weapons need to be mandatory, without exception. When you exercise that, people realize that they don't necessarily need such a weapon all the time. It serves a much more effective regulatory measure than active regulation ever will.

All that said, unfortunately I don't think it will ever happen in the US. The unfortunate reality is all the checks and balances in place do not prevent a mentally unstable person from legally attaining a firearm because if they are denied, all they do is scream about the second amendment and then all those checks and balances are removed. There is also an underlying fear that necessitates such weapons spread through the media which further compounds the problem. (before anyone asks, no, I'm not saying " is breeding killers" but it is propagating the fear that someone could be killed for looking the wrong way) The second amendment has way too much power in the US and that needs to be reviewed long before any other measures are taken.