Poll: When was Duke Nukem actually sexist?
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This is why I hate Extra Credits. Turned this site into a bunch of over-analytic EC-quoting zombies.Art Axiv said:
They're aren't the rule-makers on games. What they say isn't fact.PatSilverFox said:
Sexist? I don't know. But it does objectify women. Duke Nukem Manhattan Project literally turns women into a required collectible: find the babe in the level or you can't go to the next one.
Whether or not that's a bad thing, I don't know. I don't really care, honestly. I'm not all bent out of shape because you can slap a woman's ass in a slight twist on capture the flag.
Whether or not that's a bad thing, I don't know. I don't really care, honestly. I'm not all bent out of shape because you can slap a woman's ass in a slight twist on capture the flag.
While I generally agree with what Extra Credits say in their presentations/podcasts, in this topic I think that analyzing why or if Duke is sexist or not is just stupid. If he is, does it change something in our daily lives? If he isn't, should we care? I care for neither. I fail to see how Duke being sexist or not influences anyones life. All studies done on behavior being influenced by games is inconclusive, so by far we can't say if anyone will follow Duke as some sort of idol - unless kids will play this game, and the game is rated 18 or 16 so unless I'm mistaken so it shouldn't happen.Onyx Oblivion said:
At the end of the day, Duke can be sexist, the way Dave Chappelle is racist. And boy Dave Chappelle is funny - in my opinion. The point is, while you analyze things, you can't just take things out of context, because all of your arguments and results lose meaning. Duke is not a real character, the games premise is full blown satire. Let's treat it like it should be treated - tongue-in-cheek humor which *might not be for everyone*. Just like porn isn't. Did I just say that? Oh well.
Voicing your arguments is great, its what the forums are for, so keep the discussion going - we never know if we will learn a thing or two from each other. But if we decide to keep things real, we should at least keep some context to it.
Duke Nukem doesn't care about anything, really. It's not sexism if he treats both sexes the same. The only difference is one he'll have sex with and one he won't.
All I've seen as an argument is "He doesn't care about women" or similar topics. It's not that Duke doesn't care about females only. It's just that he doesn't care about anybody but himself. That's egotism.
tl;dr
Egotism=/=Sexism
All I've seen as an argument is "He doesn't care about women" or similar topics. It's not that Duke doesn't care about females only. It's just that he doesn't care about anybody but himself. That's egotism.
tl;dr
Egotism=/=Sexism
Sigh. It doesn't really matter if even every single woman in the game is depicted as a stripper or porn star. The "shake it baby" example, even a singular instance of it, is sexist. Frequency does not define the nature of a product. I didn't say that sexism is something that inherently oppresses anyone. It does portray them in a servile, slutty light, which is by definition sexist (see dictionary definition, above).Zaik said:
"More or less," I'm defining things by their nature. There is no conspiracy theory. I played the game when I was 13 because I was hurting for another FPS, and even then I recognized that it was trying to compensate for horrible gameplay and graphics with seedy, pandering content.
And yes, it was Duke Nukem 3D. Thanks.
Chell, Lilith from Borderlands, Zoe, Rochell, Faith, Half the cast of Street Fighter, Samus, Chloe Frazer, Commander Shepard, Trip, should I go on?Valagetti said:
Unless your idea of competent is being just a female version of the bullet eating men you just described, which is dumb. A woman isn't competent unless she is exactly as strong or skilled as the men she associates with? That's more sexist than anything else, IMO.
