Poll: Which is worse: Rape or Murder?

[Gigano]

Murder.

Rape may well scar for life, but it need not do. There's no such hope with murder, the damage is always final, and precludes all happiness from other sources that could still be had as a rape victim.

One can however think of scenario's where taking lives is justifiable - self-defence for instance; the same cannot be done with rape. Which is of course part of the reason why it isn't featured in most games, as there simply is no way to justify it - and certainly even less of a way to glorify it - the same way violence can be.

 

[Jason Danger Keyes]

While I've never been victim to either crime, I have witnessed both. I've also met some of the most vile, despicable scum you could imagine.

In my opinion rape is the greater of the two evils. As many have pointed out, murder can be justified under certain circumstances. There are people out there who are to powerful and too dangerous to be left unmurdered, even in prison.

Bullshit.

We have prisons, prisons have solitary confinement for the dangerous inmates. Killing someone does not work in removing their ideas or their influence from society (in fact it's been known to backfire). So you tell me what excuse is there for murdering someone.

Some might argue that murdering murderers is wrong. I would argue that if a man strangles a 10 year old girl on a whim, that he has forfeit his life.

Yeah sorry, you being pissed off and feeling justified doesn't excuse murder. It's still completely unnecessary.

3. Murder. (Can be justified, often quite easily. Murdering murderers, self-defense, etc.

The death penalty is not murder (although it's not justified), self defense is not murder.

As hard a pill as it is to swallow, the death penalty is a better option than life in prison, because then people don't need to pay taxes to feed and house them for the rest of their lives.

 

[CrazyMedic]

depends on how bad the death because rape will be with your whole life there in the back of your mind but with murder atleast when you die you either go to heaven or there is no god and there is nothingness so no harm done really.(note I refuse to believe in a world where both heaven and hell could exist)

 

[magicmonkeybars]

You can be raped everyday but only murdered once.

 

[godofgamers]

Bullshit.

We have prisons, prisons have solitary confinement for the dangerous inmates. Killing someone does not work in removing their ideas or their influence from society (in fact it's been known to backfire). So you tell me what excuse is there for murdering someone.

You forget that there are some crime bosses who are so influential that they will never even be arrested, much less convicted, which is more what I was talking about.

Yeah sorry, you being pissed off and feeling justified doesn't excuse murder. It's still completely unnecessary.

I never said that it excuses murder. It does, however, provide a justification. Not necessarily a good one, but a justification nonetheless, which is more than could be said of rape.

The death penalty is not murder (although it's not justified), self defense is not murder.

What makes the death penalty any different from murdering a murderer? Sure it's state action rather than vigilantism, but you get the same end result.

I'm going to put this out here.

A request to all of you people here who are saying that murdering a murderer is justified but rape is never justified.

Give me one good reason why murdering for revenge is OK while raping the murderer for the same reason wouldn't be OK.

Well, that would depend on whether or not you believe rape to be more evil than murder (hence this entire debate) . If rape is more evil, the eye-for-an-eye principle wouldn't apply, as you'd be inflicting a punishment greater than the crime. Murdering a murderer, on the other hand, does conform to that idea, as he/she killed someone and then someone killed him/her.

 

[demotion1]

Both.

And imo the death penalty is murder. When you killed somebody you have murdered him, there are no excuses.

 

[godofgamers]

What makes the death penalty any different from murdering a murderer? Sure it's state action rather than vigilantism, but you get the same end result.

The technical definition of murder (unlawfully killing someone).

The law is a fickle beast, subject to change on a whim. I should also point out that as a great videogame character once said: "The world isn't run by the laws written on paper. It's run by people; some according to laws, others not." Are you saying that a revenge murder is never okay, even when the legal mechanisms for punishment have failed entirely? OJ Simpson got lucky, he was guilty as sin and he got off. I was actually surprised that he didn't turn up dead within a few months. When the law fails, what would you recommend?

 

[jamesworkshop]

I have no experience of either, however I will say that just to hear of someone dying is bad enough, when one of my friends (wasn't even a amazingly close friend) got killed in a car crash (which I know isn't murder), I think even the feeling that gave me was more than any rape could do even if it happened to myself.

In my mind it's no question to me, a dead friend or a dead me has no solution, you have atleast a chance to turn the clock back on a rape, death however is very final.

 

[Azure-Supernova]

I have to say rape without a doubt. Having dealt with a couple rape victims first hand there's no way that I'd be able to consider murder worse. When someone is dead, they're dead and not suffering. When someone is raped their life takes a turn for the worse at some point.

Some victims will repress it and have it unleashed later, some will be a mess for the rest of their lives. More often than not I should imagine victims would wish they were dead anyway. Rape can do so many things to a person. Women can be thrust into unwanted pregnancy; damaged or hurt during the act and are left to live with the event forever (I don't think it's easily forgotten). But not just female victims, any victims have been stripped of their dignity and it can be a bit of a relationship killer. Oh and then it can happen again. In an abusive, no escape 'relationship' a person could be repeatedly raped.

Rape is the kind of crime that leaves a big psychological, emotional and sometimes physical scar on a victim. They will remember it forever. Personally murder seems like a much lighter alternative in comparison.

 

[Adzma]

In my books murder is much worse than rape.

 

[Blue Musician]

Rape, since it causes some heavy post traumatic events.

 

[PAGEToap44]

You can get counseling for rape, not for murder.
You can confront the rapist and get closure, you cannot confront you killer.
There is life and happiness after rape, perhaps it may be limited, but there is nothing (in my mind) after death.

(So murder is worse)

My thoughts exactly.

 

[godofgamers]

Found an interesting video: http://academicearth.org/lectures/morality-of-muder-and-cannibalism

It's a lecture given by a professor at Harvard to do with the morality of murder.

 

[bigmak93]

Rape. Such as (But not exactly what) Kolosus said, A murder can have a plausible reason for it. Otherwise, The Punisher would be no better than those he punishes. But rape has no reason. I'd rather see my parents watch my trial for murder, than to see myself in trial for rape.

 

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

logically i should say murders worse since its permanent. But i really feel that rape is worse.

 

[Michael Logan]

Rape. Such as (But not exactly what) Kolosus said, A murder can have a plausible reason for it. Otherwise, The Punisher would be no better than those he punishes. But rape has no reason. I'd rather see my parents watch my trial for murder, than to see myself in trial for rape.

The Punisher is no better than those he punishes...

 

[Mikeyfell]

Rape is the worst thing one person can do to another.

There is no justification for that.
Rape is torture, it's trauma that people (potentially) never get over.


Murder can be justified, murder can be merciful.
Ultimately murder is neutral to the party involved. (Clarification: you kill someone they can't feel anything)

If I found out that my best friend raped someone I'd kill him.

Unless he raped a pro-lifer to prove a point.
There's the only rape justification. You can rape pro-lifers

 

[godofgamers]

Someone once said that dead is the great equalizer of all life. Indeed, The Punisher is no better than those he kills, but the question is: Given that he is not in the right, is he entirely wrong?

 

[Jonluw]

I honestly don't think murder is as bad as many other crimes out there.
"Oh no, someone died." People die all the time.

Commiting a horrible act of sexual violence, and then leaving the victim alive to be scarred for life is much worse in my opinion.
Living and suffering is worse than being dead.

But maybe I'm just saying that because I'm a suicidal moron. Other people surely have other opinions.

 

[Mikeyfell]

logically i should say murders worse since its permanent. But i really feel that rape is worse.

Weird I say the same for an opposite(ish) reason.

Rape is worse because it has long term effects.
Murder is better because it's instant. (And murder can be justified.)