Proportional representation prevents many little parties having to form Coalitions of 5 or 6 parties in order to get anything done, and then they argue within the Coalition and nothing happens.TheMan2203 said:
Poll: Which Prime Minister does the UK prefer?
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That's like choosing between a wart and a boil.TheFPSisDead said:
We never like our Prime Ministers, but the last two are especially crap.
Cameron is a spine less clone of Blair. He lies through his teeth and soundly avoids any particularly difficult decisions. I didn't like Blair but at least he followed through on his convictions.
Brown, where do I start. Unpopular, unwanted, unlovable, unelected.
Well given that I hate all of David Cameron's policies, he directly lied during his campaign (saying he wouldn't do things which he has gone on to do etc), he's a Conservative, he's completely out of touch with anyone below the upper class tax bracket, he wasn't even really voted in by the British public, he's put in place which are going to disadvantage women, the eldery, children, students, the middle classes, the working classes, and anyone who isn't an upper-class white British male, I'd have to say Gordon Brown.
Mmmmm...PureChaos said:
1. No sweat... someone needs to be a grammar policeman!
2. Puts me in mind of an episode of News Quiz... can't remember who said it but the line was 'I'd like to make it clear that David Cameron and Nick Clegg have not gotten into bed together, they are merely sharing a room!' *clap* that's it, Giles Brandreth, who then goes on to say that 'there was a little bit of movement in the chinos' at the thought of the two old Etonians standing together post-election. 'your's must be the only fetish in the world for which there isn't a magazine that caters to' (Mark Steel) 'There is, it's called the Daily Telegraph!' (GB)
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At least we got to vote for Cameron to come into power.
Gordan Brown was put into an awful position but I personally had issues with him because the job was just given to him. The people had no say about Brown becoming the Prime Minister which is why IMO people voted away from Labour.
I prefer Cameron but I didn't vote for him, after seeing what the Conservatives wanted to do to education I couldn't possibly vote for them (I can't beleive any other teachers would want to return to rote learning).
This is a difficult subject to talk about without alienating or offending people.
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This pretty much sums up my views of Brown
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Gordon/
Gordan Brown was put into an awful position but I personally had issues with him because the job was just given to him. The people had no say about Brown becoming the Prime Minister which is why IMO people voted away from Labour.
I prefer Cameron but I didn't vote for him, after seeing what the Conservatives wanted to do to education I couldn't possibly vote for them (I can't beleive any other teachers would want to return to rote learning).
This is a difficult subject to talk about without alienating or offending people.
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This pretty much sums up my views of Brown
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Gordon/
I'm not a fan of either, but I have to side with Brown.
People blame him for the god awful state our country is in, but they also forget that Brown was dealt an absolutely shitty hand when he got in power, the country was already in the shitter after Blair's laughable leadership.
In fact, Blair's buttering this country up for Bush to bend over the table is part of what caused this whole mess in the first place, the only reason he got away with any of it and Brown got all the blame for it is because the man was so extremely charismatic, whereas Brown has the charisma of a wet dish cloth.
Intelligence is not required to be in politics, it's social skills, charisma and the ability to bend and manipulate a population to your will, Brown did not have any of those things, Blair made an art out of all of them.
People blame him for the god awful state our country is in, but they also forget that Brown was dealt an absolutely shitty hand when he got in power, the country was already in the shitter after Blair's laughable leadership.
In fact, Blair's buttering this country up for Bush to bend over the table is part of what caused this whole mess in the first place, the only reason he got away with any of it and Brown got all the blame for it is because the man was so extremely charismatic, whereas Brown has the charisma of a wet dish cloth.
Intelligence is not required to be in politics, it's social skills, charisma and the ability to bend and manipulate a population to your will, Brown did not have any of those things, Blair made an art out of all of them.
Pith the Elder!WingedIncubus said:
I picked Brown seeing as he was, of the two, the one I disliked the least. He was terribly uncharismatic, but the guy at bucket loads of experience and didn't look like an estate agent or a second hand car dealer. Seriously, why do all the party leaders look alike these days? I reckon that if one of the parties were to pick a pipe smoking, tweed wearing, safe looking old boy as a leader, they would win on looks alone. Unlike a lot of people, I'm not going to go on about Cameron's silverspoon status. Almost all of our PMs have been Oxbridge grads, so pointing out Cameron's ponciness is a bit short sighted.
Oh, and the best PM of all time? Earl Grey! He freed the slaves, seriously reformed parliament, and even had a type of tea named after him. That's way better than that jingoistic, imperialist, bigot Churchill. Churchill was only good for awesome witticisms and keeping out nazis. Had there been no war, he would have easily gone down as one of the worst PMs in history.
Hey I never said true democracy is easy, it's a *****. And maybe proportional representation does stop constant infighting but it can also prevent the party that the majority vote for from getting into power, such as we have here. It just serves to underline the oddities of a party based political system, it makes it impossible to have a balanced political view.Blaster395 said:
You are either THIS or you are THAT.
There are some things I'm conservative about sure, but there are also things I'm liberal about, for instance recreational drugs, I'm liberal about whereas violent crimes like rape, i tend to be conservative about.
All i ask is that everyone looks at everything with a balanced view and be a decent person. Something that i know will probably never happen because most people are unreasonable, selfish, short sighted dick pistons. Believe me get out there and do a few vox pops and you'll be up here in the cynicism big leagues to.
He might be talking about allowing 3 million Indians to starve to death in a famine he casually avoided helping out with. Though Britain was in the war at the time, meaning it would be hard-pressed to provide any help to the Indians, Churchill went out of his way to be a dick. He claimed to being disappointed that Gandhi hadn't starved to death, and seemed delighted at the damage the famine was causing. Not exactly the most responsible reaction to a country you colonize and expect to fight for you. The guy was an extraordinary rascist (even for the time) and imperialist who did anything he could to keep the colonies under the yoke of the British. The only reason why Churchill has not been remembered much for his rampant nationalism was because Hitler stole the spot light by out dick him in the biggest dick head contest.Blizzarded Soul said:
Its probably down to lack of options in the poll to be honest, rose-tinted hind sight is a wonderful thing. Lesser of two evils etc.Danzaivar said:Except he was chancellor of the exchequer (I.e. THE GUY IN CHARGE OF THE FUCKING MONEY) for a decade before it all went to hell, he was warned repeatedly about his spending but he ignored it all.OblivionRegained said:
The fact 2/3s of the vote is for Brown has me REALLY worried about the English people on this forum...
Having said that I did vote for brown because I'm Scottish and come from a rural area so If I show any support to the conservatives at all I will be hunted down and strangled with thistles in my sleep.
If thats the case he was the one who orchestrated the boom in the first place so hes both to blame for both boom and bust.Danzaivar said:Except he was chancellor of the exchequer (I.e. THE GUY IN CHARGE OF THE FUCKING MONEY) for a decade before it all went to hell, he was warned repeatedly about his spending but he ignored it all.OblivionRegained said:
The fact 2/3s of the vote is for Brown has me REALLY worried about the English people on this forum...
Atleast he was intelligent and knew what to do, it took FDR 3 terms and a war to get america out of a (granted major) depression. Brown had what a few years? and even then he managed to get the economy to grow before Cameron came in and dick slapped it about.
Germany and america have an increase in jobs yet we are axing jobs. Cameron is just an ideologically driven douche with a chancellor whos equally as wankerish.
Actually, governments, (and by extension, the PM), can (and did) make money appear out of nowhere.Daverson said:
It's easy, because modern currency has nothing tangible backing it.
But, since the actual real economy of a country doesn't grow in the process, it results in rampant inflation.
The government can print as much money as it likes. But unless they're willing to face the consequences of a loaf of bread costing £100 billion, they'd be idiotic to do so.
I really don't know about that. By all accounts Gordon Brown was actually very smart (well above average even).suitepee7 said:
But, I guess he suffered from the associated nerd stereotype of being socially awkward.
Being smart, and having good social skills are not the same thing.
And in that regard, it's obvious David Cameron has much, much, much better social skills than Gordon Brown, who struggled to even smile without it looking forced.
Well, a poll question like this is a typical example of an 'unfair' or fake choice.Danzaivar said:Except he was chancellor of the exchequer (I.e. THE GUY IN CHARGE OF THE FUCKING MONEY) for a decade before it all went to hell, he was warned repeatedly about his spending but he ignored it all.OblivionRegained said:
The fact 2/3s of the vote is for Brown has me REALLY worried about the English people on this forum...
Do you want an apple, or a pear?
Sounds like a reasonable question right? Except what if you want a banana?
What this poll shows, is that given a choice between Gordon Brown and David Cameron, we prefer Gordon Brown.
What it fails to show. (because it gives no other choices), is that most of us probably don't like either of them.
If there was an option to choose 'neither', I wonder how this poll would look?
I doubt that the conservatives would have faired much better, bearing in mind the strong relationship conservatives have with bankers. Had they been in power, I suspect that the conservative government would have allowed the bankers to get away with far more, causing a way worse resession.SuccessAndBiscuts said:Its probably down to lack of options in the poll to be honest, rose-tinted hind sight is a wonderful thing. Lesser of two evils etc.Danzaivar said:Except he was chancellor of the exchequer (I.e. THE GUY IN CHARGE OF THE FUCKING MONEY) for a decade before it all went to hell, he was warned repeatedly about his spending but he ignored it all.OblivionRegained said:
The fact 2/3s of the vote is for Brown has me REALLY worried about the English people on this forum...
Having said that I did vote for brown because I'm Scottish and come from a rural area so If I show any support to the conservatives at all I will be hunted down and strangled with thistles in my sleep.
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I prefer Brown, because Cameron fecked up my future.
Tuition fees are stupidly high now. and Clegg the lying scum fecking traitor, said that he wouldn't put tuition fees up when he was just lib-dem.
Thanks Cameron and Clegg, now if I want to go to university I have to either:
A: Take on life crippling debt.
B: Whore myself to pay for tuition.
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C: Sell crack to high school kids.
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I prefer Brown, because Cameron fecked up my future.
Tuition fees are stupidly high now. and Clegg the lying scum fecking traitor, said that he wouldn't put tuition fees up when he was just lib-dem.
Thanks Cameron and Clegg, now if I want to go to university I have to either:
A: Take on life crippling debt.
B: Whore myself to pay for tuition.
OR
C: Sell crack to high school kids.
The irony being... we didn't vote him in, we didn't vote anyone in. They just decided amongst themselves that 'hey, LibDems, your leader's pretty good looking, let's get a room.'this isnt my name said:
'We' didn't 'vote' Cameron to do anything.
Easily Winston Churchill. Kinda sad that you only put 2 prime minsters in the polls. I was at least expecting tony blair to be in it.