Poll: Why do gamers discriminate other gamers???

[Stu35]

Nope, because I don't discuss my private life with random people.

Boom.

Exactly That.

Whilst I don't agree with the sheer level of abuse that people seem to think it's okay to mete out on the Internet (because they can do so in relative anonymity), I also think that anyone who starts giving up their personal preferences on the Internet is inviting any and all responses.

So, whilst I do, in part, sympathise with those who have posted about the abuse they've recieved simply for being themselves, some of that sympathy gets held back when you could have easily avoided it by simply not telling all and sundry about your private life.

The story suggests that you are simply a minor, and thus possibly not yet fully realized your sexuallity but any human claiming to be asexual is simply a delusion.

Whilst from a technical standpoint there is no such thing as an Asexual human (as it refers to how we reproduce, rather than a sexual preference). There are probably plenty of lunatics out there who don't like the idea of sex, regardless of gender...

I've never met one, but I'm willing to believe they do exist, they're fucking weird, and I'd be inclined to be suspicious of anybody claiming to be one, but at the end of the day they're hurting no one by their... Choice? Preference? 'way they're born'?... So who cares?

I would get it if they made fun of me being gay or something, but how come being a-sexual is worse than being gay?

Well, it's possibly because Gay people have urges associated with human beings. Asexual people have urges associated with plants... Something to consider. Again, you're allowed to be who you are, but if you're going to reveal these things about yourself to strangers on the internet, be ready to learn that the rest of humanity doesn't care as much about you as your parents, and therefore will NOT support you no matter what.


As for whether or not I've discriminated... Well, yes.

The vast majority of Humanity are a bunch of retarded dickheads, and I hate them. This very much includes the gaming community.

(To give an example, I would, given the power to do so, ban anybody under the age of 21 from playing online... for two reasons: First, I'm sick of getting shot in the face by 12 year old Americans, Second, said 12 year olds are a bunch of little bastards who need to learn a bit of magnanimosity, something that will only come with a bit of decent parenting, and playing some ACTUAL sports outside, instead of being on the XBOX)

...

But then, I believe that the best system of government would be me as Dictator-of-the-world, and that the way to end the Insurgency in Afghanistan is to mass B-52 bombers and launch heavy strikes in the areas surrounding villages, before walking into those villages the following morning and declaring ourselves the Gods of Thunder, demanding their immediate conversion, or death-by-B52... So I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

 

[Something Amyss]

Well at the very least you would hope someone who felt so strongly as to make a topic about getting discriminated against to casually suggest they find discrimination against a group of people they're not a part of to be perfectly acceptable.

Yeah, it really does boggle the mind.

I find a lot of this to be quite weird, and I'm not even entirely sure how to react.

 

[Something Amyss]

One would think someone who is being discriminated against for being a minority in terms of sexuality would have shown a little more sympathy to discrimination against other minorities in terms of sexuality, wouldn't one?

You'd think so, but that's not the way it works. There's a massive amount of hatred aimed at bisexuals from the gay community, for example. Similarly, there's plenty of complaints that work aimed at eliminating racism doesn't involve women, and/or that white feminists don't listen to people of colour.

Trust me, you preaching to the choir.

 

[ischmalud]

ok this is probaly the first time im going to aplogize for voting: in this case: I have discrimated against other gamers. but i thought u were talkin about what i would consider rather harmless hasing, sorta the stuff you talked about in the first paragraph which personally doesnt phase me but i am aware that it is descriminatory.
now to your overall story:
4 years REALLY? jesus i played wow (yea yea im sorry) for way to long my self but by the time year 2 rolled arround people from the guild would actually ranng me up overseas and wish me a happy birthday, and vice versa - fair enuff not the same with most guilds. but to treat a member of your CHOSEN (community and thats all a guild is) like that, well thats just wrong.
at the end of the day look at is this way, hardly anyone you meet online will actually ever know you well enough to judge anything you do, say, or feel on a level that you should actually care about.


Isch

 

[cdstephens]

People are mean to other people in any community. No reason why gaming would be an exception. Example: there is the American community, but people within that community split into smaller communities that discriminate against one another if they don't fit exact ideals.

Same with gaming. How many times have you seen gamers declare sports gamers to be not "real" gamers, MMO players to be addicts, FPS players to be immature, etc.? Jokes here and there that give off the feeling, ranging from "oh, you play WoW...." or "you're a Madden fan....I see..." to outright name calling. Dislike for a genre becomes a dislike for the people who like that genre (sometimes I think moviebob falls prey to this in GO, which is disheartening.) Another obvious example are the console wars. It can even be using a character in League of Legends that no one else likes. "OMG you play Twitch what a nooblord".

There are a lot of assholes in the world, and many of them happen to game. It's gonna range from broad stuff like sexual orientation, gender, race, etc. like the rest of society to discrimination specific to gaming.

 

[Deadlock Radium]

I have been discriminated from groups/clans in gaming because I played on the console until a couple of months ago, when I built a $2100 PC. Now I am welcome everywhere it seems.

Other than that, no. I have not been discriminated. I haven't even been called noob in games as long as I can remember, which says a lot, since I used to play Call of Duty on the PS3. Guess I just played too well for them to conclude I was a noob :3

 

[FoolKiller]

Well I have never been that badly bugged by a stupid gamer but I was talking with someone and they said that because I liked playing sports games (in fact, I tend to like all the genres even if I suck at some of them) I am not a real gamer.

My reply: I have been playing video games longer than you've been alive you *insert profanity string here*

 

[Loonyyy]

All people discriminate against all people-that's unfortunately the way things work. Don't attribute it to "Gamers"-the tag is pointlessly vague and fails to acknowledge what's really the problem. On the internet, people are at least partially anonymous, this gives them the freedom to do what they like, and they like to be rude, by the large.
There's a great Penny Arcade on it: Normal Person+Anonymity+Audience=Total Jerkwad. If I remember correctly of course.
Not all people are rude, but the ones you notice are the ones that offend you, leading to a confirmation of what you're looking for.
Moreover, if you go onto a forum with poor moderation, with moderators who ban people after bullying them, then you are essentially getting what you deserve. An important thing to do is choose your location wisely: Escapist-Strict mods, less freedom, but it's a nicer place, and the freedoms restricted aren't what this site is about. 4Chan-Almost no moderation, and the mods are having fun by moderating at a whim. Offensive material and trolls are the norm.
Choose your forum to suit your needs. If you choose a dodgy site, you meet dodgy folks.

 

[SinisterGehe]

I would get it if they made fun of me being gay or something, but how come being a-sexual is worse than being gay?

Really?! So it's okay to make fun of people who are gay?! I was actually feeling sorry for you, but not after reading that statement! Unbelievable...

One would think someone who is being discriminated against for being a minority in terms of sexuality would have shown a little more sympathy to discrimination against other minorities in terms of sexuality, wouldn't one?

Bloody Hell.

I think you missed some key parts in my story, they do not make fun of the gay guys in the community, they don't even do jokes about them being they see nothing wrong with it. But me being A-sexual seems to be somehow a worse thing and can be made fun of. I am not native speakers some give me some slack, I suck at understanding social context in text.

To make my policy clear, no one should be made fun of by any terms.. I do not make fun of gay people, I find it tasteless.

 

[SinisterGehe]

Wooooow that sucks, haven't really been discrimanted against , but i tend to get shunned back when i used to play wow , because i have the kind of personallity that you either love or hate . I joke around way too much and my sense of humour is really american cartoon-like ( i quote family guy/south park way too much) . So either people love me because they think i'm funy or hate me because i talk too much and joke all the fucking time .

Also , never put on personal information on the internet EVER. People will always make fun of you no matter what . Thats how the internet is . L

Well after you spend 4 years playing with the same 20-30 people , things come up during discussion, you start knowing them and they start knowing me, it is bound to happen in social interaction. I find it insulting if someone would hide their personality from me after we have known each other and played together for years.

 

[Slowpool]

Many people discriminate. All gamers are people. Therefore, some gamers discriminate.

[HEADING=2]Logic![/HEADING]

Many people have testicular cancer. All women are people. Therefore, some women have testicular cancer.

[HEADING=2]Fallacy![/HEADING]

Nope.avi, because only men can get testicular cancer, as women don't have testes. And in my example such parameters aren't there.

[HEADING=2]Faulty example![/HEADING]

It's not his example thats faulty, its yours. I'll show you with a more on-topic example.

Consider that all individuals that make up 'people' can be divided into two categories. One is Gamers and one is Non Gamers (lets keep the example easy and assume they are both non-empty and divided evenly). Let's assume that none of the Gamers discriminate and all of the Non Gamers do.
Your first premise would be 'Many people discriminate', which would be true, since the Non Gamers all discriminate.
Your second premise would be 'All gamers are people', which would be true, since gamers are a non-empty subset of people.

Your conclusion was 'Some gamers discriminate'. Which would be false, since we specified that no Gamer discriminates. So your reasoning does not hold up.

The logic you used is formal logic, mostly based on syntactics. You can't just claim theres some semantics at play that makes everything alright, you will have to specify it. The previous counter example is spot on.

But on topic: sucks. A lot of people can be assholes, especially when they can do it relatively anonymous (I also think the way you act when youre anonymous says something about your character).

If this is a troll, then congratulations, you got me. If not, let me tell you why you're wrong.

You cannot assume that none of the gamers discriminate- because they do. As stated, they are people, and many people do discriminate in one way or another. There is nothing inherent in a gamer's biology or attitude that prevents them from discriminating- so the fact is that some will do what is normal of some people, since they are people.

The counter example does not have that benefit- it specifically chose women, who are biologically incapable of having testicles (barring some sort of gender reassignment), and therefore cannot be included in the subject pool of individuals who are capable of having testicular cancer.

Gamers are a subset of people who can be prejudiced. Women are NOT a subset of MEN who can have testicular cancer.

Logic.

OT: I am perfect. Therefore, I would be justified in discriminating against people who disagree with my opinion, but because of my perfection I am polite and decide to let such instances slide. Seriously, look up perfection and there I am, being perfect and all that.

Yep. I'm just... great.

*sob*

 

[Something Amyss]

I think you missed some key parts in my story, they do not make fun of the gay guys in the community, they don't even do jokes about them being they see nothing wrong with it.

Nope. Read that. Your post was, at best, clumsily worded with regards to homosexuals. Don't be surprised it raised some eyebrows.

 

[SinisterGehe]

I think you missed some key parts in my story, they do not make fun of the gay guys in the community, they don't even do jokes about them being they see nothing wrong with it.

Nope. Read that. Your post was, at best, clumsily worded with regards to homosexuals. Don't be surprised it raised some eyebrows.

I am deeply sorry. I suffer from not being native speaker of English and having issues understanding social contexts in speech and text.

I didn't want to insult the gay community here. I do not make fun of people's sexual orientation... Honestly. If you don't want to believe me then I have to ask you to sod off and not to respond to this topic anymore.

 

[Michael Hirst]

Well you see if you discriminate against people that look like it's almost like...an advanced form of racism.

/sarcasm

 

[sagamov]

If this is a troll, then congratulations, you got me. If not, let me tell you why you're wrong.

You cannot assume that none of the gamers discriminate- because they do. As stated, they are people, and many people do discriminate in one way or another. There is nothing inherent in a gamer's biology or attitude that prevents them from discriminating- so the fact is that some will do what is normal of some people, since they are people.

The counter example does not have that benefit- it specifically chose women, who are biologically incapable of having testicles (barring some sort of gender reassignment), and therefore cannot be included in the subject pool of individuals who are capable of having testicular cancer.

Gamers are a subset of people who can be prejudiced. Women are NOT a subset of MEN who can have testicular cancer.

Logic.

OT: I am perfect. Therefore, I would be justified in discriminating against people who disagree with my opinion, but because of my perfection I am polite and decide to let such instances slide. Seriously, look up perfection and there I am, being perfect and all that.

Yep. I'm just... great.

*sob*

Well i hope YOU are a trolling, he didn't say gamer don't discriminate, at least no per se, the point is that it CAN be the case (by the logic of the argument)
imagine a circle (people) "some people lie" this circle "P" is touching circle "l" (liars), all gamers are people, circle "g" is inside circle "P", some gamers are liars, circle "g" is touching "l" but that isn't NECESSARILY true,"g" can be inside "p" without touching "l", use babys for a example of something inside p who aren't touching the liars circle, the logic is flawed

 

[flatten_the_skyline]

I think you missed some key parts in my story, they do not make fun of the gay guys in the community, they don't even do jokes about them being they see nothing wrong with it. But me being A-sexual seems to be somehow a worse thing and can be made fun of. I am not native speakers some give me some slack, I suck at understanding social context in text.

To make my policy clear, no one should be made fun of by any terms.. I do not make fun of gay people, I find it tasteless.

I'm glad I got you right before, though I must admit that it sounded misleading.

I am also horrified that people on here seriously deny asexuality. It is not a common phenomenom, I only know of one for certain, and I suspect another to be one, but to call people liars when they claim that they have no sexual urges whatsoever is no way above trying to straighten out homosexuals.

Then again, I usually hang out with feminists and anarchists, so my expectations concerning tolerance might be a little high, but even my Pen&Paper-Friends show an amazing amount of tolerance in many subjects (though they were really pissed off about my left-wing eco-terrorist char for making a fuss about everything in Vampire. Good Times!)

 

[Slowpool]

If this is a troll, then congratulations, you got me. If not, let me tell you why you're wrong.

You cannot assume that none of the gamers discriminate- because they do. As stated, they are people, and many people do discriminate in one way or another. There is nothing inherent in a gamer's biology or attitude that prevents them from discriminating- so the fact is that some will do what is normal of some people, since they are people.

The counter example does not have that benefit- it specifically chose women, who are biologically incapable of having testicles (barring some sort of gender reassignment), and therefore cannot be included in the subject pool of individuals who are capable of having testicular cancer.

Gamers are a subset of people who can be prejudiced. Women are NOT a subset of MEN who can have testicular cancer.

Logic.

OT: I am perfect. Therefore, I would be justified in discriminating against people who disagree with my opinion, but because of my perfection I am polite and decide to let such instances slide. Seriously, look up perfection and there I am, being perfect and all that.

Yep. I'm just... great.

*sob*

Well i hope YOU are a trolling, he didn't say gamer don't discriminate, at least no per se, the point is that it CAN be the case (by the logic of the argument)
imagine a circle (people) "some people lie" this circle "P" is touching circle "l" (liars), all gamers are people, circle "g" is inside circle "P", some gamers are liars, circle "g" is touching "l" but that isn't NECESSARILY true,"g" can be inside "p" without touching "l", use babys for a example of something inside p who aren't touching the liars circle, the logic is flawed

I'm going to spoiler the whole rebuttal. There's all sorts of logic flying around in this thread. Read.

Spoiler

Look closely at the bolded lines of Zilatel's post.

It's not his example thats faulty, its yours. I'll show you with a more on-topic example.

Consider that all individuals that make up 'people' can be divided into two categories. One is Gamers and one is Non Gamers (lets keep the example easy and assume they are both non-empty and divided evenly). Let's assume that none of the Gamers discriminate and all of the Non Gamers do.
Your first premise would be 'Many people discriminate', which would be true, since the Non Gamers all discriminate.
Your second premise would be 'All gamers are people', which would be true, since gamers are a non-empty subset of people.

Your conclusion was 'Some gamers discriminate'. Which would be false, since we specified that no Gamer discriminates. So your reasoning does not hold up.

The logic you used is formal logic, mostly based on syntactics. You can't just claim theres some semantics at play that makes everything alright, you will have to specify it. The previous counter example is spot on.

This is exactly assuming that gamers don't discriminate, when there is no basis whatsoever to assume such. I admit, gamers might not NECESSARILY discriminate, from a purely theoretical standpoint(though considering additional factors, including backgrounds, education and the sheer size of the community as a whole, there are without a doubt gamers who discriminate, regardless of venn diagram logics). That said, they still have the possibility (and do). Women DO NOT have the possibility to develop testicular cancer, since they do not meet the requirements (no balls).

The logic falls apart when Indeterminacy states:

Many people have testicular cancer. All women are people. Therefore, some women have testicular cancer.

[HEADING=2]Fallacy![/HEADING]

"People" is too broad a subject pool for the cancer comparison, since only a subset of people (men) can develop that particular type. The largest population you can have for such a comparison is "Men", not "People". The inclusion of women, who by biological nature cannot be included, in order to provide a biased result makes the "logic" invalid.

My point is, since gamers are people (and therefore subject to normal human flaws), they are capable of being biased. Since women are not men (and therefore do not have testes), they CANNOT have testicular cancer.

Logic again.

 

[AnarchistFish]

It's probably more due to them being twats who you can't really fight back at than necessarily because they're gamers.

 

[zilatel]

"People" is too broad a subject pool for the cancer comparison, since only a subset of people (men) can develop that particular type. The largest population you can have for such a comparison is "Men", not "People". The inclusion of women, who by biological nature cannot be included, in order to provide a biased result makes the "logic" invalid.[/spoiler]

My point is, since gamers are people (and therefore subject to normal human flaws), they are capable of being biased. Since women are not men (and therefore do not have testes), they CANNOT have testicular cancer.

Logic again.

Sounds like you're trolling. Because the point I was making is really really basic formal logic. The point is, from the premisses (many people discriminate & gamers are people) you CANNOT deduce "gamers discriminate" through formal logic. It's just not a correct deduction, the formal rules do not allow it. It has nothing to do with humans, human flaws or testes. It's basic formal logic, get it?

Oh and the testes counter-example made earlier is just spot on.

 

[Slowpool]

I think you missed some key parts in my story, they do not make fun of the gay guys in the community, they don't even do jokes about them being they see nothing wrong with it. But me being A-sexual seems to be somehow a worse thing and can be made fun of. I am not native speakers some give me some slack, I suck at understanding social context in text.

To make my policy clear, no one should be made fun of by any terms.. I do not make fun of gay people, I find it tasteless.

I'm glad I got you right before, though I must admit that it sounded misleading.

I am also horrified that people on here seriously deny asexuality. It is not a common phenomenom, I only know of one for certain, and I suspect another to be one, but to call people liars when they claim that they have no sexual urges whatsoever is no way above trying to straighten out homosexuals.

Then again, I usually hang out with feminists and anarchists, so my expectations concerning tolerance might be a little high, but even my Pen&Paper-Friends show an amazing amount of tolerance in many subjects (though they were really pissed off about my left-wing eco-terrorist char for making a fuss about everything in Vampire. Good Times!)

I tolerate homosexuals. I find the whole notion extremely odd, but love is love. I simply find it difficult to believe in human asexuality, and personally put it down to people lying about how the feel about sex. Perhaps I feel this way only because my own sexuality is such an integral part of who and what I am, and thinking that people who never experience it must have a horribly broken and empty life by comparison. I'm probably wrong, but part of me feels that way.

That said, I would tolerate people who claim to be asexual, as well. I've never met one, but if this is how they chose to present themselves to the world, so be it. Sexuality (or lack thereof) doesn't really apply to how I deal with people (unless its a pretty girl and I like her). I might be irritated when a gay man flaunts his sexuality and how proud he is of it, but I wouldn't hate him any more that I would hate a dude who flaunts his new girlfriend.