because, like dwarves, they are a lazy cop out race used by incompetents who can't think out something original
Poll: Why do you hate elves?
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Axolotl said:
You mean religion?
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I don't hate elves, but then I enjoy playing arrogant pricks in D&D.
Cos the took over Elswyer so so they can't set the next game there.
Otherwise I like elves. I never liked dwarfs though.
Otherwise I like elves. I never liked dwarfs though.
The Elder Scrolls Online is supposed to include all land "from Elswyer to Skyrim."Crazy Zaul said:
At least in WoW, the Blood Elves are depicted as corrupt arcane fiends who use brainwashing against any opposition and fuel their power off of demon magic (At least, before the sun well, but ignore that). It's very anti-elf than usual, but if you go night elves...
Nonetheless, most elves act superior as an 'elder race' and consider humans to be lowlife, and, as a human, I can't take that shit. It's the same reason I despise the Eldar on many levels: they let (any number here) humans die so that one or two of them can live with their pointy ears and silly magics.
I think they're just jealous of the human reproductive capabilities (as they're always in small numbers), that's why they don't wear as much clothes, to attract any willing human for the act.
Nonetheless, most elves act superior as an 'elder race' and consider humans to be lowlife, and, as a human, I can't take that shit. It's the same reason I despise the Eldar on many levels: they let (any number here) humans die so that one or two of them can live with their pointy ears and silly magics.
I think they're just jealous of the human reproductive capabilities (as they're always in small numbers), that's why they don't wear as much clothes, to attract any willing human for the act.
Why the hate against Dark Elves? What are you, a white supremacist?Chimichanga said:
Dark elves (and regular elves for that matter) were both a part of classic Norse mythology. Dwarves too, though that was obvious.
To everyone else, the reason that writers choose to use these races is that since they are mythological beings, they are public domain. Tolkien couldn't have copyrighted them because he didn't make them up. He drew them and many other themes from mythologies that few had heard of and synergized them for his modern epic.
Y'know, we've seen Northern and Southern European mythos done to death. I have yet to see one drawing from Asian/Russian/Indian myth. Yes, I know we've seen fantasy anime/manga, but really, most of that is Japanized European fantasy, AKA elves and shit. I want to see one that draws from Asian myth that isn't also written by Japan-fetishists who can't get over the novelty of their own work. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzIrSsGUNEs] Indian and Tibetan myth is a goldmine of ideas, why not dig there now that Europe has all but been mined out?
What do you think, captcha?
"get your goat"
Indeed they do captcha, indeed they do...
I think if they are done right they can be fine. It's not common to do them right though. I can only think of a few that where done right. TES did them I don't want to say right but better then most of course most is like Warcraft. I don't mind Night elves in that game so much they are kind of a cliche but not a horrid cliche. Blood elves in that game are just human under a different name. Dragon Age did it right yeah they where a cliche, but a well done cliche witch is much better then trying different and just screwing up.
Saladfork said:
I know you probably got quoted on this a gajillion times, but even within those tropes, there is still room for interesting dynamics.DustyDrB said:
For example, in the latest TES, it comes to light that the High Elves, who are typically full of themselves in the traditional elven sense, turn Elven supremacists... essentially Elven Nazis. It's interesting as this seems to be the logical progression of race that see's all other races as inferior, it's a wonder why every Fantasy trope on elves usually shows them as a race at the end of its time (the Tolkein Elves).
Then we have the battered and broken elves, who are simply desperate to attain some modicum of their former glory. The Witcher series of books and games deal with this, Blood of Elves making a particular note of it and the games making good use of it as part of the political intrigue. The elves are not only on their last legs as a species, but are persecuted and treated as sub-sentient by most human populations (the dominant species). Where Tolkein made them proud and noble, bowing out when their time had come, Sapdowski(?) depicts them as a feral race, clinging desperately to the world however they can even if that means atrocities and straight up murder.
The Dragon Age series also uses Sapdowskis(?) elves, along with a vague nod to Tolkiens elves (the Daelish).
It's harder to pick out an original take for dwarves. The TES series comes to mind again, what with their version being a race of highly advanced, scientifically driven Elves... adding a steampunk vibe to a fantasy setting. Their lore is a bit weak though, seeing as it just amounts to "They were awesome, but sadly TOO awesome to exist, so they disappeared".
People like the Drunken, stout warrior version of Dwarves... they are an underdog race that doesn't turn their nose up on the upstarts (humans) and mingles with them far better then the High and Mighty elves. This makes them easily relatable and therefore easily incorporated into a story.
I don't really hate them, they just feel so over-used, so generic. I can forgive a work for using something generic, if it's still a good work, but it seems elves and bad writing go hand-in-hand.
I know they can play around with the tropes, and even subvert our understanding of them. But I'm saying I want something that feels new. I always like to point out Mass Effect in this regard. All the races were new and unfamiliar. I had no baggage, no baseline understanding. Every conversation with a member of a different race brought this sense of discovery that I haven't experienced in fantasy in...I can't even remember. It was wonderful.Ragsnstitches said:
You've never faced an elf deck have you? Turn three, bam you just took so many elven feet to the... Wait this isn't about magic is this?
Well elves are depicted as being pure good while humans are shown as being the bigges dicks in the room and i have a problem with that. I dislike generic fantasy anyways...
I prefer final fantasy tactics a2 races. A bit more diversity and no single race is the biggest asshole in the room.
Well elves are depicted as being pure good while humans are shown as being the bigges dicks in the room and i have a problem with that. I dislike generic fantasy anyways...
I prefer final fantasy tactics a2 races. A bit more diversity and no single race is the biggest asshole in the room.
I don't hate da little pointy eared basterdz, I just like da Orkz betters!!! ORKZ! ORKZ! ORKZ! We is gonna stomp ya good we will!
I love elves, I just think games are doing them wrong. Why do they have to be pompous? Elves could be puckish and cool.
Two choices:
1. I do not hate elves. I only hunt them down because it is a day job that nothing else.
2. They know what they did.
Take your pick.
1. I do not hate elves. I only hunt them down because it is a day job that nothing else.
2. They know what they did.
Take your pick.