Poll: Wii U - Nintendo's Dreamcast?
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Not to mention how Sega pretty much shattered all concepts of brand loyalty releasing add-on after add-on for their systems and then only releasing four games for that add-on, abandoning it, and releasing a new add-on to expand the "power" of their machine. That, and how the PS2 utterly crushed the Dreamcast in Japan (and pretty much everywhere else) when it was released because it functioned as a cheap DVD player (at launch, the killer app for the PS2 in Japan was The Matrix, the movie).Ordinaryundone said:
Again, the situation here is hardly the same. Nintendo's brand management this generation has led to an expansion of their user market, and right now there really doesn't seem to be another "PS2" coming out of Sony or Microsoft to slay the Wii U with more impressive hardware (or doubles as an equivalent to a cheap DVD player). So the likelihood of the Wii U going the way of the Dreamcast seems small.
Hey - my first online experience was through my dreamcast - I even bought the keyboard accessory!Kahldris71 said:
It was one helluva console, shame it was dead before anyone realised that. Still play Crazy Taxi and Jet Set Radio on it to this day (and occasionally Soul Calibre).
As for the WiiU I think it will do well, and I hope it does as Nintendo are against the wall cash wise, they may have made it big on the handhelds/wii but have flittered it all away and are now in the red - hence most the managerial staff taking massive pay cuts. The strong Yen and weak dollar is really not helping them:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nintendo-sinks-deeper-into-red-in-first-half-2011-10-27
No I don't think so. They're doing fine financially and I don't see any reason their new console will fail. So no, I don't think the WiiU will be Nintendo's Dreamcast, I think they'll keep making systems for a good time to come.
Nah. Sega came to the Dreamcast on the back of three huge failures in a row (Mega CD, 32X, Saturn), it was a real last gasp effort that had to succeed right away.Conza said:
Nintendo have the benefit of time and no total failures since the Virtual Boy. The N64 and Gamecube were simply 'less succesfull' than Nintendo wanted while recently the 3DS has been slow on release, but is picking up over time. They've got masses of money to play with and time to let things play out if they aren't instantly super-mega-hits immediately.
Bar the Wii U going off like a pipe bomb at random intervals I can't see it being the last console Nintendo makes, although I bet the next one will be more like a Smart Phone than Gameboy.
The Wii U sounds pretty "iffy" to me. First they didn't try hard enough to catch up with the other 2 consoles (PlayStation and Microsoft). Now they're trying WAY TO HARD just to match them. I mean in my opinion having to use a tablet to play on a TV, yeah its original but after a while it would just become a nuisance. Right now Nintendo can boast all it wants about how powerful its next system will be. But without a strong game lineup even the strongest of consoles is bound to fail.
I personally think the Wii U will only be a moderate success, like the Gamecube. As popular as the Wii was, I kind of doubt that the people interested in Wii Sports will be interested in the Wii U.
Fortunately, Nintendo will always have fans like me to fall back on, and the Wii U is looking to be a truly great console, with very promising features and third-party support that looks to be very strong.
Fortunately, Nintendo will always have fans like me to fall back on, and the Wii U is looking to be a truly great console, with very promising features and third-party support that looks to be very strong.
I personally hate Nintendo with the exception of a few games on their handhelds, so I hope it flops big time. Big enough that they decide to only make games. I'm sick of all these commercials and talk about the "latest greatest Super Mario (remake)". I hate Nintendo because in reality they have done very little by way of making original games that are good in the past like five years especially. If they have to pool all of their resources into their games instead of their consoles then I'd probably like them a lot more because I'd have something Nintendo to play other than that Zelda game they made back in 1986 and that Mario game they made back in 1983. And as much as I do love Pokémon (except Black and White, those are just...no), that series is by far the WORST in terms of basically recycling old games.
OP, how can I take this thread seriously when you think that your opinions are facts?
You say that the Wii isn't a "gamer" success. As far as I know, I am a gamer. I think that the Wii is a success. It gave me everything I wanted from it.
A good number of great titles, some of the best games of all times (Nintendo's games), great party games for playing with friends... You think that the Wii isn't a success, that's your problem. Some of us like games that are NOT first or third person shooters. Some of us like games that where designed by people who are color blinds for every color except brown.
Some of us are cable of enjoying games even tho they don't have the best graphics possible, as long as the gameplay is good.
Wii is a success for me. Both on the market and a gamers success. People can talk all they want, but every second post ends with "My Wii, bla bla bla". Most gamer have a Wii. You will read a lot of bad things about the Wii not because it sucks but because it's cool to hate it.
Secondly, your definitions of "good consoles" is the Wii U minus all the awesome stuff that can be done with the controller? Sorry, but it's not the consoles fault that you can't see all the possibilities of the Wii U.
Nintendo consoles are high quality products and every one of them (except the Virtual Boy) are "good consoles".
And then there is this:
You hope that a company you don't like fails?
What are you, 6?
But since I already am answering to this thread, here is my answer to your question.
Nothing will happen if the Wii U is a total flop. They will just do something damage control and start developing another console.
People obviously have no idea how huge Nintendo is.
You say that the Wii isn't a "gamer" success. As far as I know, I am a gamer. I think that the Wii is a success. It gave me everything I wanted from it.
A good number of great titles, some of the best games of all times (Nintendo's games), great party games for playing with friends... You think that the Wii isn't a success, that's your problem. Some of us like games that are NOT first or third person shooters. Some of us like games that where designed by people who are color blinds for every color except brown.
Some of us are cable of enjoying games even tho they don't have the best graphics possible, as long as the gameplay is good.
Wii is a success for me. Both on the market and a gamers success. People can talk all they want, but every second post ends with "My Wii, bla bla bla". Most gamer have a Wii. You will read a lot of bad things about the Wii not because it sucks but because it's cool to hate it.
Secondly, your definitions of "good consoles" is the Wii U minus all the awesome stuff that can be done with the controller? Sorry, but it's not the consoles fault that you can't see all the possibilities of the Wii U.
Nintendo consoles are high quality products and every one of them (except the Virtual Boy) are "good consoles".
And then there is this:
So you hope that Nintendo fails? Or am I misunderstanding something? But it's really hard to misunderstand anything if you say that the "what if Nintendo fails" scenario is the hopeful scenario.
You hope that a company you don't like fails?
What are you, 6?
But since I already am answering to this thread, here is my answer to your question.
Nothing will happen if the Wii U is a total flop. They will just do something damage control and start developing another console.
People obviously have no idea how huge Nintendo is.
Because nintendo DS and tablets were both such a flop.....Crono1973 said:
I was referring mostly to the games available for each system, almost all of them are on the PC (barring a few gems on each system). Almost everything Nintendo has is exclusive to their systems, so I'm pretty likely to just get a WII-U for Nintendo exclusives and play everything else on my computer.
Just wanted to point out you made yourself look like a hypocrite to your own words there....BiH-Kira said:
And how am I a hypocrite?Wandering_Demon888 said:
By stating the fact that Nintendo is a big company? Enlighten me. Tell me why I'm wrong when saying Nintendo is a big company.
Is a company that sells millions of consoles and earns many more millions of $$$ per year a small company? Is a company that practically owns the handheld market a small company?
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Or are you maybe referring to the "People obviously have no idea" part?
Well, people OBVIOUSLY don't know that Nintendo is big if they think that 1 flop will trow them down into hell. The GC didn't sell really well, the N64 didn't sell too well, jet Nintendo survived. They had only the Gameboy (classic, color, advanced) at that time.
Now they have all the money earned from the Wii, they have a much bigger market, they have the DS and 3DS which number rise insanely fast.
If you think that the flop of the WiiU will ruin Nintendo completely, than you obviously don't know about all the things I wrote few rows up, which means you don't know how big Nintendo is.
Don't you think that you're a bit rude and childish?SnakeoilSage said:
"They don't like the same things I do, they must be idiots." That is how you sound to me by saying that people who like Nintendo have fewer brain cells.
Wow you sure are QUICK TO ASSUME you know everything. First of all when did I say Nintendo was not a big company? Secondly I never once opened my mouth about anything failing. You just ASSUMED I did. So OBVIOUSLY you can't read my mind. Let me give you an example. McDonald's serve millions of people a day but because of that fact, doesn't mean that the quality of their food is better than that of Burger King, Sonic, Carl's Jr or In-N-Out Burger. How big is Nintendo anyway since you keep mentioning it anyway? Is it PlayStation or Microsoft big? Or bigger than both? Are referring to popularity or just money? Because when people are unsure about the popularity of a system, they sure do love to talk numbers and sales.BiH-Kira said:
I doubt it. The WiiU will likely have one of two outcomes:
1) It will cater to the same casual market the Wii has, in which case the majority populace will be pleased and continue to love it even though the unique controls will never be used to their full potential.
2) It will successfully use its relatively powerful hardware to get Nintendo back into the third-party market, allowing many developers to develop the control scheme like they did with the DS, eventually making a lot of unique games and bringing Nintendo back into the core gaming awareness.
But regardless, they will not lose their console-making over it. It'll do well either way.
1) It will cater to the same casual market the Wii has, in which case the majority populace will be pleased and continue to love it even though the unique controls will never be used to their full potential.
2) It will successfully use its relatively powerful hardware to get Nintendo back into the third-party market, allowing many developers to develop the control scheme like they did with the DS, eventually making a lot of unique games and bringing Nintendo back into the core gaming awareness.
But regardless, they will not lose their console-making over it. It'll do well either way.