Poll: Would a Batman movie with the Riddler have worked better than TDKR?

[Wayneguard]

I thought Bane was fucking fantastic. Everything about Bane's working class revolution was fucking brilliant. IMO, the movie only dropped the ball when it

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turned into a "find the bomb before time runs out" movie and when we got a last minute bait & switch with the villains that didn't work at all

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This isn't even mentioning Tom Hardy's brilliant performance as Bane. I don't care if you did or didn't like, or even understand, the voice; the ************ presented an aura of menace not seen since Darth Vader in Star Wars. Through nothing more than his body language, he instills fear in everyone who is in the scene with him. The scene where

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Bane totally dominates Dagett just by revealing his presence. Then makes him shit his pants when he puts a hand on his shoulder... yeah... that's great acting on both characters' parts

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No, I didn't see anything wrong with Bane or the populist revolution subplot. I thought it was fantastic.

HAHA Captcha: stinking rich

 

[Gizmo1990]

I thought Bane was fucking fantastic. Everything about Bane's working class revolution was fucking brilliant. IMO, the movie only dropped the ball when it

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turned into a "find the bomb before time runs out" movie and when we got a last minute bait & switch with the villains that didn't work at all

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This isn't even mentioning Tom Hardy's brilliant performance as Bane. I don't care if you did or didn't like, or even understand, the voice; the ************ presented an aura of menace not seen since Darth Vader in Star Wars. Through nothing more than his body language, he instills fear in everyone who is in the scene with him. The scene where

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Bane totally dominates Dagett just by revealing his presence. Then makes him shit his pants when he puts a hand on his shoulder... yeah... that's great acting on both characters' parts

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No, I didn't see anything wrong with Bane or the populist revolution subplot. I thought it was fantastic.

HAHA Captcha: stinking rich

I had no problem understanding his voice I just found it irritating and I agree that Tom Hardy did a unbelivebly good job. Bane had a Darth Vader quality to him BUT I do not think he was right for Nolan's realistic Batman. I liked him but do not think he fit very well.

 

[Darwin Grey]

No. People keep saying that having a "physical villain" is anti-climatic considering Heath Ledger's performance in the Dark Knight. But I think that it would be far more damaging to Heath Ledger's memory if they had a similar villain, like the Riddler,trying to out do him and far more damaging to the trilogy if they had failed; you'd either end up with a tarnishing of Heath Ledger's performance, the resulting debate of which would distract from the story, if the Riddler's actor was better than him, or an anti-climatic ending to a brilliant film franchise, if the Riddler's actor had been worse than him.

The Nolanverse Bane works because he is so unlike the Joker; he presents a clear physical threat and he clearly believes that he is doing good, whereas the Joker presents a far more psychological threat and he fully embraces chaos and evil.

I'll put it this way; in the context of the trilogy, would you prefer a convoluted murder mystery or a city-threatening campaign of destruction?

 

[Right Hook]

I actually enjoyed the way Bane was portrayed in the film, thanks for using a logical fallacy to argue against me, though.

And yes, it is enough justification, because you actually gave more reasoning than "No. It wasn't that type of Batman film because Chistopher Nolan didn't want to do it."

I'm truly impressed with your ability to actually tease a reasonable response out of that guy, I mean it would have been nice if he could have also been polite about it but I guess you can't expect everything.

OP: I don't think the Riddler would have worked with the tone of the trilogy. Although I'm sure it could have been made to work and may have even been very good. I think if somehow a miracle (or possibly a tragedy depending on your perspective) movie could happen that extends the universe even further, then...

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John Blake could come up as a new batman/robin/whatever, it could be really awesome to see him face off against the Riddler, especially since his whole arc in TDKR was all about him being a detective and solving mysteries. "You're a detective now. You can't believe in coincidences."

 

[franzieperez]

I loved Bane and what they did with him in the film, and I agree the Riddler would have felt out of place. A little Harley Quinn messing up everyone else's grand schemes for a little poorly-planned chaos in the name of the J-man would have been sweet though.

 

[chstens]

Imagine if you will, in Gotham PDs hunt for Batman they hire a private investigator called Edward Nashton. Nashton gets obsessed with the case and eventually turns into some gritty variation of The Riddler, and then there's this bit about how Batman creates the villains etc. etc.

 

[SpaceBat]

As much as I like the Riddler as a villain, it wouldn't have been the right choice. This is the final movie and the riddler is a campy villain.

This last movie needed some actual confrontation and seeing as Bane is an incredibly powerful semi-genius, it was the right choice. They even got the actor for Bane so, so right. I was starting to get sick of seeing stupid-grunt bane (like in Arkham City).

 

[Captain Pirate]

Don't think so.

For the most part, Riddler is a campy villain. His whole motif is teasing Batman that he is smarter than him. Haven't seen TDKR yet, so I can't tell if Bane is handled better...

Yeah, this.
It would've been too similar to the Joker, who also uses Batman as his nemesis as his primary purpose for causing crime; as the Joker does it because he thinks he and Batman have to coexist as polar opposites, constantly beating each other, the Riddler would similarly do it to best Batman intellectually.

Also, watch TDKR. It's amazing, and while Bane could never be as good as the Joker, Tom Hardy plays him amazingly and he's pretty much the best you could get after Heath Ledger's phenomenal performance. The rest of the film is equally fantastic.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

After Heath Ledger's Joker nobody had a chance in hell. AND THAT'S THE TRUTH!

Nolan planned to make he third movie with The Joker. Unfortunately, Heath Ledger died, and that changed everything. It's sad to even think about how good this movie would be if Heath Ledger was still alive.

 

[hazabaza1]

Heath Ledger wasn't that great anyway. Mark Hamill's better.


AAaaaaaanyway, if they tried to pull off Riddler in a way that the Arkham games did instead of the other movies that he's in, I can see it working. Secretive insane genius with traps and hostages and undercover henchmen, yeah, it could work.
Plus, that suit is totally rockin'.

 

[Hoplon]

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It flew over it.

Because peoples obsession with what they would have preferred is annoying and pointless. I don't even think The Riddler is a good character from Batman, not to say Bane is but the last two films have no been about Batman as detective but Batman as cypher for sudden change. The Riddler would be out of place and disjointed which is something all multi movie franchises suffer from at the best of times.

Not really, just think it's a waste of time when we are getting a superior product. Inserting a "favourite character" is what made Spiderman 3 so shitty.

 

[Fappy]

I think Bane/Talia was a good choice for the end of the trilogy because it nicely wrapped up all of the plotlines started by the first two movies. I went into the movie very skeptical about Bane. He wasn't perfect, but he worked.

 

[Phuctifyno]

The Riddler wouldn't have worked in the final film of this series because his methods are too similar to how the Joker functioned in TDK - also he's a bit too colourful and usually pretty inconsequential.

That being said, a Batman movie could potentially be made featuring the Riddler that works better than TDKR in a new series - which we'll probably see in the near future. Maybe something similar to his defining role in Hush.

 

[Chris Mosher]

I think that the Riddler would have worked as a transition between Begins and TDK, but as most people have pointed out The Riddler would not have been epic enough.

I think that the Riddler would have worked well in a Worlds Greatest Detective movie.

 

[Zen Toombs]

Would a batman movie with the Riddler have worked better than TDKR?

Methinks the Riddler movie would have been far better, but the Dark Knight Rises mostly as is was best for completing the series.

 

[xbox hero]

yes,I mean the only reason bane exists is to break the batmans back...Im sorry for the spoilers,but I didnt put them on intentionally! I have no idea how he made a movie where bane is the enemy that long!