Poll: Would you harbor a nazi?

[Hristo Tzonkov]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpRqvCps_MQ

Only if he was this guy.

To be frank I couldn't turn him in,but I can't hide him either.

 

[silasbufu]

If he really has had a lifechanging experience and he's such an angel as you describe him, then he should turn himself in.

When he was a nazi he had to choose between taking a shitload of lives, or refuse to follow orders and desert and possibly die. He chose his life, out of a survival instinct, which is understandable but everything you do must have a consequence, even if it's 60-70 years later (by the way is that guy like 100 years old).

To answer your question though, no, I would not harbor him and I'm sure I would find it very hard to resist hurting him.

 

[Leg End]

Of course humans run the system but you aren?t one of them.

You would be correct, I am no human. I am something else entirely, yet that is for another reason entirely, completely unrelated to the reason you hint at.

But, I digress.

My point being, the "system" is run by man, you act as if it is run by the Patriots AI. :/

Stop with that bullshit you are human.
And yes the system can be flawed but we all must face it when we do wrong.

But you just said that I wasn't. :/

No I said you weren?t one of the humans that runs the justice system you aren?t a judge or lawyer and you're too young to be on the jury.

I highly doubt that is what you meant. <.<

You don't know what I do in my spare time >.>

OT: Yes, I would.

 

[Woodsey]

Not sure if i could hide them from the police, mostly because I still have some faith in the justice system, and I hope that they would be treated fairly, befor ean impartial judge and all that.

That never happens. There's no such thing as an impartial human being.

No, but great lengths are gone to in order to aid impartiality.

Nazi's still exist? Or is this something like what remains of the KKK?

The Nazi party doesn't exist, but considering Nazism is essentially Fascism (arguably worse) and is an ideology, there are still Nazis.

But he's talking about one from Hitler's time I assume.

 

[Leg End]

If I killed someone in say, self defense, yes I would regret it...but I would be facing some sort of punishment.

Not in the US you wouldn't, though, in this case, it is a difference of local laws. :/

 

[Shydrow]

Off to jail he goes. I mean all those people in the camps had no choice but to stay due to him and others like him. Unless he was freeing them then i might hide him in fear the law is going to ignore that just for a harsh view on those who didn't stand in open rebellion against Mr.Hitler and his silly mustache.

 

[Kouryuu]

When he was a nazi he had to choose between taking a shitload of lives, or refuse to follow orders and desert and possibly die. He chose his life, out of a survival instinct, which is understandable but everything you do must have a consequence, even if it's 60-70 years later (by the way is that guy like 100 years old).

what is the way to repay your sins, sitting in a jail or helping homeless children, cooking for the poor, spending his savings on charity?

As it was stated he tries to do good, he regrets what he is done, even if it is just his home country and not him himself who did it. it is never stated that he is guilty.

And if I feel he is and does not regret from heart then I will ask him to leave, but after 60 years any kind of trial is impossible, because most of the witnesses are dead or to old to be able to identify someone who aged 60 years.

 

[A Free Man]

No doubt in my mind I would turn him in. I honestly can't believe so many people would not. Think people imagine the hundreds or even thousands of people this man may be associated with torturing and/or brutally murdering. Their families deserve justice not just for the offenders to cry and feel a little bad. If this man truly was sorry for his actions he would turn himself in and accept whatever punishment he is given. Anything less then death is much more then he deserves. Note I am against the death penalty for any scenario but in my opinion some people deserve it, that being said no man has the right to convict another man to death and therefore no one should ever be givin a death sentence but that doesn't mean they don't deserve it.

 

[Kouryuu]

Of course wouldn't it depend on the manner you 'defended' yourself? Say if he approached you with a knife and you shot him, that's grounds for a manslaughter charge?

It would, if you meant attacked then not, you are free to take a walk with a knife anytime as long as you do not attack people!

 

[willofbob]

They couldn't do anything about it. They were fools, and have changed. One exception. If the words or phrase "I was just following orders." come out of their mouth, I'm turning them in. To quote The 9th Doctor: "And with that sentence, you just lost the right to even talk to me."

I love that quote, and agree with it fully.

but the fact remains that they killed people simply because they had the poor judgement to not be born Aryan. His repentant behaviour would probably have him found a more lenient sentence but he should still be imprisoned

 

[Kouryuu]

That is not a "nazi", that is a german soldier. Completely different.

The OP specified an OFFICER working in a DEATH CAMP. That meant on a daily basis he gave orders which resulted in the inhumane treatment, abuse, sexual assualt, and muder, of innocent, caged, civilians.

Nazi or National social party Was a political organization like America has Republicans And Adolph Hitler was in hi regard up until the middle of the war, just like J. W. Bush was in America, these parallels are just too irresistible.

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

I wouldn't turn him in, unless the police are after him because of a different crime I don't know about, not just because he's an ex-Nazi.
The war has already been won and both sides have suffered over its course. It's now time for the survivors of the war to live on their lives as they wish, in peace. And if what this man is doing right now isn't breaking any laws, then he shouldnt be judged just because of his past.

 

[michiehoward]

Funny thing is, is that Eichhman was in the paper just yesterday, so secret tapes in the possession of the German gov't were released. It was Eichmann in South America talking very causally about how he didn't do his job good enough, and regretting that he and his plan didn't completely eradicate Eurpoean Jews off the face of the planet. Swell guy, he was hiding in peace and apparently was very well liked.

 

[Dogstile]

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

we are an etnicity for and a nation a race? it depands how you look at it if "black" or "chinease" is a race so id jewish...

and Arsen your racist because the black people and mexicans ruining america bullsh!t you wrote nothing else...

Being Jewish means you follow a religion, not that you're a certain ethnic group. For example, there are Russian jews, and English jews.

 

[Malkavian]

I'd turn him in. He's committed crimes against humanity, and you cant just say you're sorry and think to get away with it. Even if he's sincere, the message needs to me sent.

That really depends on what you believe the role of the judical system is. Is it to punish criminals, rehabilitate criminals, or give victims satisfaction? That is a very serious decission you have to think about, if you want to pass judgement.

I myself believe in rehabilitation. And therefor, it would make no sense whatsoever to incarcerate a man that is probably in his 80'es or 90'es, has lived in repentance for about 70 years, and who it is pretty clear is doing all he can to give back to the world. A prison would not be fitting for any man that old, for a, though very very terrible, crime he committed so many years ago. He would die within the month.
He HAS rehabilitated, and there's just not much point so prison.
Noone would get much satisfaction either, and I doubt he would actually feel much punished. At least not compared to how much he probably punishes himself.

Of course, that is just my oppinion, and you have yours

But therefore, I would harbor him. Any number of factors may cause me to change that, for an example, if he ever showed signs of non-repentance.

 

[silasbufu]

When he was a nazi he had to choose between taking a shitload of lives, or refuse to follow orders and desert and possibly die. He chose his life, out of a survival instinct, which is understandable but everything you do must have a consequence, even if it's 60-70 years later (by the way is that guy like 100 years old).

what is the way to repay your sins, sitting in a jail or helping homeless children, cooking for the poor, spending his savings on charity?

As it was stated he tries to do good, he regrets what he is done, even if it is just his home country and not him himself who did it. it is never stated that he is guilty.

And if I feel he is and does not regret from heart then I will ask him to leave, but after 60 years any kind of trial is impossible, because most of the witnesses are dead or to old to be able to identify someone who aged 60 years.

Who are you, I, or the OP to decide if he is guilty or not? Sure you can play the "justice is blind" card all you want, but if we would all take justice into our own hands there would be chaos (alot more than now at least).

I know it's a different case, but if someone murdered a person I loved, did no time for it, and came to me 20-30 years later saying he has changed, that he's a saint and he's so sorry, I would still not forgive him.

 

[michiehoward]

I happen to know an ex-nazi actually, he served in the war was captured by Russia and escaped. He's got many friends in what seems to be nearing the end of his life (he's not in great health) and 2 of these friends are jews, one I believe is one who's a survivor of the war as well.

It's not like all the Nazis knew there was genocide going on. From what I recall he was drafted and was put into a tank division.

That is not a "nazi", that is a german soldier. Completely different.

The OP specified an OFFICER working in a DEATH CAMP. That meant on a daily basis he gave orders which resulted in the inhumane treatment, abuse, sexual assualt, and murder, of innocent, caged, civilians.

Actually almost EVERYONE was a Nazi and/or a member of the Nazi Party aka National Socialist party. Including a run of the mill German solider.

 

[Malkavian]

Being Jewish means you follow a religion, not that you're a certain ethnic group. For example, there are Russian jews, and English jews.

Are you seriously arguing with a Jewish guy what he is? Judaism is a religion, yes. But the Jews Hitler commited his crimes against was an ethnic group. And still is, for the largest part.

 

[Kouryuu]

Being Jewish means you follow a religion, not that you're a certain ethnic group. For example, there are Russian jews, and English jews.

Someone sane!
Whoo hoo!

 

[NezumiiroKitsune]

Justice is a great ideal, I like to uphold it as much as reasonably possible, but it's intangible and nothing but a fabrication of humanities need to see things that upset them atoned for without infringing on it's own ideals too often. In this case the man would be very old, he now is no threat to anyone and I am told he is utterly repentant, however he wants to avoid jail. I can see a few reasons for this, he may have grandchildren he doesn't wish to be separated from or he may simply fear what awaits an ex-nazi officer, but either way it doesn't change that sending him to prison at this point won't constitute justice; it'll be a hollow gesture to a situation where the fantasy rules of justice can't find a solution that makes sense, because there isn't one. Life, the universe, it only makes sense in the most logical of fashions, there is no balance of deeds and misdeeds, and in this case there is no longer any need to attempt. If there is an afterlife he will reap what he has sown or see mercy / reward for his penance and altruistic nature, and for those who believe there is not they must make peace with the uncaring entropy of the universe and of life. This man would not benefit humanity by going to jail, he has changed, and his crimes are his own personal demons. If he didn't care about what he'd done, he wouldn't begin now and we can't force him to. Killing him would be a futile and helpless gesture further compounding the inability for justice to sit comfortably here.

Who is he today matters more than whom he once was. To whether I'd harbour him however, no probably not, but I'd stand for him in court and testify to his kind and repentant nature, and impress the lack of necessity in imprisoning him. I'd understand if they did. Maybe he should have been in jail all along, maybe he should have never had grandchildren or spent his later years free of the fear of persecution and hostility. I cannot say.

Some might say he deserves to live his final years in anxiety and loneliness because he did the same at some point to many others. I don't believe killing a person makes up for him killing many other people, and the same is true here, to me. It'd be empty suffering from a time when so such cruelty was already done.

I would not contest sending him to jail though if that was the verdict as, as I have said, I cannot say what is right. There is no justice here.