Poll: Would you have preferred KoTOR3 to TOR?

[endtherapture]

I actually found the gameplay of KoTOR2 better.

Combat was more in depth with extra abilities and the prestige classes were awesome.

Also it had an incredibly dark atmosphere which was great. I enjoyed KoTOR1 for a classic Star Wars feel but KoTOR2 had the feeling of a galaxy on the verge of collapse, which was awesome.

I agree with all of this, actually. Gameplay-wise, I liked the prestige classes, I liked that you could make some of your companions into Jedi/Sith, I especially liked the influence component.

Story-wise, K2 blows K1 out of the water. The worldbuilding is so much more interesting and the characters so much deeper. K2 shows you the Force in all its complexity rather than an all-good vs. all-evil schematic. K1 is more like Lucas' Star Wars, K2 is more what a SW universe would actually be if it were real and ordinary people were living in it. They're both good, but one is more multilayered. And I cannot laud Obsidian enough for its characterization-- I happen to think Kreia is the most interesting character in the EU, right up there next to Vergere (and equally hard to peg).

I'd love to see what Obsidian could do with Star Wars if they had less Executive Meddling. Lucasarts really underestimated the interest in a true sequel, and I think they screwed the pooch with the MMO. I predict it'll go the way of the rest of the WoW clones, with a devoted audience but without sustained numbers high enough to really be a threat to Blizz.

The influence system was awesome but it was cool that you couldn't influence ALL companions, like Mandalore for instance, or HK, because Mandalore is old and set in his ways, and HK obviously is programmed to be a killer.

I also loved areas of the game such as the assault on Onderon and the assault on the giant Sith temple in Dxun. The battle of Telos could have been better. The only problem with KoTOR is that the boss battles aren't cinematic enough, with a Witcher 2 type combat system this could be resolved (with a Mass Effect style system for guns).

There's so much potential for remaking/improving the game as a great single player game with the recent advancements by Bioware and CD Projekt and even Obsidian in New Vegas, we could have got the best RPG and Star Wars game ever.

Just imagine if the $100 million or whatever spent on TOR was spent on making KoTOR3. Not only would we have a true trilogy but it would be amazing.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

I couldn't stand the abysmal combat in KoTOR and the only MMO that interests me is Eve. So, neither?

Why even come into this thread then? just want to up your post count and be contrary?

The thread asked for my opinion and I gave it. That's the point of a forum.

It asked which you would prefer, not which you would dislike more.

It asked what I would prefer, and I said neither. Completely valid response to the question,

Look, it's pretty obvious that the thread is for discussion about ToR and KoToR, and if all you do is come in and spew hate, that's hardly going to make for a good discussion is it?

 

[babinro]

Yes, absolutely.

KOTOR3 by Bioware would be much preferred to an MMO. The content (less the grind pacing) in TOR is great. Put that into 4 full RPG games (one for each class sold at full price) and I'd buy that.

TOR is fantastic...I wish it had a lifetime subscription option so I could pace my gameplay in the way I prefer. As is, I feel forced to play the game as much as possible within the first 4 months rather than split that playtime over a year or more.

 

[dyre]

Fans: We would LOVE a Star Wars MMO in the Old Republic!
Them: We're making one.
Fans: Yay! We need this! It's all we ever wanted!
Them: We made one. Here you go.
Fans: Boo! You could have made KOTOR3 instead!
Them: And this is why we don't listen to forums on the internet.

Maybe we've been looking at different threads, but most of the fans I've seen have always wanted KOTOR 3, not TOR. Why would fans of two companies famous for their single-player action RPGs demand an MMORPG?

I've been paying attention for longer than the beta for TOR.

People have been asking for TOR since...

It's been a lot longer than this dialog.

I imagine people have been asking for KOTOR 3 longer than they have been asking for TOR

In any case, have you considered it could be different fans making different demands?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I'm going to annoy a lot of people now by stating that I really didn't care for KOTOR very much. Objectively I can acknowledge that it was a good game, and groundbreaking in its way, but there were a lot of elements about it that deeply annoyed me, and I've always felt it was enormously overrated.

Frankly, Bioware already trends towards a lazy kind of binary morality with their storytelling, and the black and white universe of Star Wars makes it even worse. In a MMO, where my expectations for story are already rock bottom, this is perfectly acceptable. It's even something of a lark. In a single player CRPG, where I'm sacrificing content volume and system depth for a rich, compelling narrative, I find it completely obnoxious. I'm sure Obsidian would've done a fine job with the story, but I've had a belly full of their buggy brand of awesome for the time being.

TOR is fine for what it is.

 

[Smiley Face]

Definitely KotOR 3. I love KotOR I & II, but I just don't like MMOs, so I'm not going near SWTOR for a while.

As to Bioware vs. Obsidian? Obsidian did a lot of things that I liked with II, things got creative, and it was BIG. But, on the other hand, it was a mess - I followed it, and even then not totally because some stuff is just left hanging, because that's what I do with things like this. On the other hand, #1, while not having the extreme strengths Obsidian brought to the game, still crafted the world and characters and dialogue into an amazing game. I see a lot of disdain for the apparent lack of depth and formula in Bioware's stuff, but I don't think you can fault them on the quality of the way they create the backdrops of their games.

So I don't know who I'd want to run it - maybe Obsidian if there was some way to guarantee they wouldn't drop the ball, but I dunno. If there was some way to get them BOTH to do it, I'd pick that one.

I also think that, this being so long after the originals, there was a lot of room to mix things up - new interface, time gap between the games, old returning characters - it's a lot of potential that would now be very hard to implement with the existence of the never-ending war of SWTOR. It's a shame.

 

[ms_sunlight]

I would of liked KoTOR 3 by Bioware.They really know how to do story quite well.

I enjoyed KoTOR 1 more than KoTOR 2.The second game was quite buggy.

KotOR2 + TSLRCM [http://deadlystream.com/forum/files/file/13-tslrcm/] = pure wonderfulness

It was probably the best gaming experience I had in 2011. Fixed bugs, restored content, the HK51 factor... I can't even express how transcendently happy it made me.

Quick question: Does that mod make the system requirements bigger? 'Cause the game already runs pretty poorly on my shit laptop.

OT: KotOR 3, definitely. I haven't played enough of 2 yet, so I'll reserve judgment on the company that should do it.

It changes the game content only; the engine, renderers etc. are untweaked. So, the system requirements should be exactly the same. If you like KotOR2, definitely give it a try. (Note there's a hotfix you have to apply as well as the main mod, the link is further down the page.)

 

[GartarkMusik]

BioWare-Obsidian joint operation. Go. That's all I have to say.

 

[SacremPyrobolum]

KOTOR made by Obsidian and not Bioware for one word. Origins

 

[Condiments]

KOTOR 3 made by Obsidian and given proper time to develop their game fully. KOTOR 2 would have blown KOTOR 1 out of the park had it not been for them having to release it early.

However, I'm a big fan of TOR. They've done a fantastic job intertwining the story elements with the traditional MMO format, making the leveling experience a blast.

Knowing this current industry if a single-player KOTOR 3 was made, it'd be an action RPG. We don't need any more of those.

 

[Major_Tom]

I would prefer KoTOR 3 (I can't decide which one but voted for Obsidian) over any kind of TOR since I don't care about MMOs.

 

[Gaiseric]

I would have preferred KoTOR3 simply because I don't like MMOs much and I can't justify paying a subscription to play a game(I flat out don't have the money).

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

I couldn't stand the abysmal combat in KoTOR and the only MMO that interests me is Eve. So, neither?

Why even come into this thread then? just want to up your post count and be contrary?

The thread asked for my opinion and I gave it. That's the point of a forum.

It asked which you would prefer, not which you would dislike more.

It asked what I would prefer, and I said neither. Completely valid response to the question,

Look, it's pretty obvious that the thread is for discussion about ToR and KoToR, and if all you do is come in and spew hate, that's hardly going to make for a good discussion is it?

You're overreacting. I didn't "spew hate", I expressed my mild dislike of the games in question. You need to realise that I am well within my rights to do so and all you have to do is not read my comment. Not that hard.

Well, I guess it is now that you've all quoted me 12 times and spread my comment throughout the thread. Nice job shooting yourselves in the foot with that one.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

I couldn't stand the abysmal combat in KoTOR and the only MMO that interests me is Eve. So, neither?

Why even come into this thread then? just want to up your post count and be contrary?

The thread asked for my opinion and I gave it. That's the point of a forum.

It asked which you would prefer, not which you would dislike more.

It asked what I would prefer, and I said neither. Completely valid response to the question,

Look, it's pretty obvious that the thread is for discussion about ToR and KoToR, and if all you do is come in and spew hate, that's hardly going to make for a good discussion is it?

You're overreacting. I didn't "spew hate", I expressed my mild dislike of the games in question. You need to realise that I am well within my rights to do so and all you have to do is not read my comment. Not that hard.

Well, I guess it is now that you've all quoted me 12 times and spread my comment throughout the thread. Nice job shooting yourselves in the foot with that one.

Saying the gameplay is abysmal is not mild dislike....

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

I couldn't stand the abysmal combat in KoTOR and the only MMO that interests me is Eve. So, neither?

Why even come into this thread then? just want to up your post count and be contrary?

The thread asked for my opinion and I gave it. That's the point of a forum.

It asked which you would prefer, not which you would dislike more.

It asked what I would prefer, and I said neither. Completely valid response to the question,

Look, it's pretty obvious that the thread is for discussion about ToR and KoToR, and if all you do is come in and spew hate, that's hardly going to make for a good discussion is it?

You're overreacting. I didn't "spew hate", I expressed my mild dislike of the games in question. You need to realise that I am well within my rights to do so and all you have to do is not read my comment. Not that hard.

Well, I guess it is now that you've all quoted me 12 times and spread my comment throughout the thread. Nice job shooting yourselves in the foot with that one.

Saying the gameplay is abysmal is not mild dislike....

One aspect of the game, a trifle, if you will. Also, exaggeration is a method of rhetoric.

 

[AlternatePFG]

I don't care who would develop KOTOR 3, I just am a bit disappointed that it's an MMO. I like single player RPG's. I like MMO's. I just don't think that bringing a single player RPG alongside an MMO is such a great idea.

 

[Flailing Escapist]

Wheres the KotOR3 co-deved by Bioware and Obsidian option?

Can't I dream?

 

[Chairman Miaow]

I couldn't stand the abysmal combat in KoTOR and the only MMO that interests me is Eve. So, neither?

Why even come into this thread then? just want to up your post count and be contrary?

The thread asked for my opinion and I gave it. That's the point of a forum.

It asked which you would prefer, not which you would dislike more.

It asked what I would prefer, and I said neither. Completely valid response to the question,

Look, it's pretty obvious that the thread is for discussion about ToR and KoToR, and if all you do is come in and spew hate, that's hardly going to make for a good discussion is it?

You're overreacting. I didn't "spew hate", I expressed my mild dislike of the games in question. You need to realise that I am well within my rights to do so and all you have to do is not read my comment. Not that hard.

Well, I guess it is now that you've all quoted me 12 times and spread my comment throughout the thread. Nice job shooting yourselves in the foot with that one.

Saying the gameplay is abysmal is not mild dislike....

One aspect of the game, a trifle, if you will. Also, exaggeration is a method of rhetoric.

The combat is more than a trifle, it accounts for the majority of the time spent playing the game. Even if the story is what makes the game shine, you have to get through the combat to play it. and about the exaggeration being a method of rhetoric? look back to what you are saying that about.... maybe I was exaggerating about the spewing hate? I hardly think you are on a par with 4chan or the WBC.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

I couldn't stand the abysmal combat in KoTOR and the only MMO that interests me is Eve. So, neither?

Why even come into this thread then? just want to up your post count and be contrary?

The thread asked for my opinion and I gave it. That's the point of a forum.

It asked which you would prefer, not which you would dislike more.

It asked what I would prefer, and I said neither. Completely valid response to the question,

Look, it's pretty obvious that the thread is for discussion about ToR and KoToR, and if all you do is come in and spew hate, that's hardly going to make for a good discussion is it?

You're overreacting. I didn't "spew hate", I expressed my mild dislike of the games in question. You need to realise that I am well within my rights to do so and all you have to do is not read my comment. Not that hard.

Well, I guess it is now that you've all quoted me 12 times and spread my comment throughout the thread. Nice job shooting yourselves in the foot with that one.

Saying the gameplay is abysmal is not mild dislike....

One aspect of the game, a trifle, if you will. Also, exaggeration is a method of rhetoric.

The combat is more than a trifle, it accounts for the majority of the time spent playing the game. Even if the story is what makes the game shine, you have to get through the combat to play it. and about the exaggeration being a method of rhetoric? look back to what you are saying that about.... maybe I was exaggerating about the spewing hate? I hardly think you are on a par with 4chan or the WBC.

Right, so what you're saying is that:

a) You get exaggeration and understand it's place in discussion
b) And you hardly believe I was spewing hate at all

So, just what points were you arguing with me then? Because if you understand exaggeration and mentally tune it down to fit the subject matter you should have no issue with my original comment.