Butlers are not slaves. Ergo, if it's a butler, I would say yes.
...if the butler is Tim Curry, however, forget it.
...if the butler is Tim Curry, however, forget it.
Poll: Would you own a servant (or "slave", for the dramatic)?
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1. Shit, it's been a while since I've read DearS...
2. Shit, it's been a while since I've seen Chobits...
3. Shit, I kinda want to be a servant in a cleaning sense...
4. Shit, I kinda want to be a servant in a sexual sense...
5. Fuck, I forgot I was black for a second there...
Other than that, "servant" =/= "slave" and vise verse, but the relationship can go from one to the other...
2. Shit, it's been a while since I've seen Chobits...
3. Shit, I kinda want to be a servant in a cleaning sense...
4. Shit, I kinda want to be a servant in a sexual sense...
5. Fuck, I forgot I was black for a second there...
Other than that, "servant" =/= "slave" and vise verse, but the relationship can go from one to the other...
I wouldn't want a society where that happens, no.
Whether I'd own one, I wouldn't want one but if there was a society where that was a thing I'd probably end up trying to save one from abusive master and try to teach it free will and things would go horribly and I'd ruin everything and cause a robot apocalypse or something.
Whether I'd own one, I wouldn't want one but if there was a society where that was a thing I'd probably end up trying to save one from abusive master and try to teach it free will and things would go horribly and I'd ruin everything and cause a robot apocalypse or something.
Probably not but then were wandering into a couple of strange places. The first is the fact that AI isn't there yet. It just isn't and in reality depending on what precisely sentience is. I'm a strong believer that people, like all critters, are effectively "programmed" and it's just our arrogance that makes us think differently. The fact that it's painfully easy at this point in our history to screw with the programming tells me all I need to know on that subject. Feelin down? Here try a bit of this. Frustrated you can't focus? Try a bit of that. I mean it's a bit beyond simple uppers (go faster) and downers (go slower) at this point. I have little doubt that if we wanted we could simulate love, at least in the short term with the right chemicals.
As it stands however computers aren't even at the point where they can really confuse us so much as surprise us. I remember someone wrote a program that was supposed to simulate how people learn to walk. But all they told it was something along the lines of "use your limbs, two at a time to travel" and the damn thing started doing cartwheels because nothing told it that legs belong below arms. But that's the same as when you tell a child to go to their room and they come back in five minutes and tell you that you said nothing about staying. Yeah I rambled, but I have a point.
Right now we use an increasing number of increasingly "smart" devices to run our lives. Roombas to vacuum, phones that remind us of everything, self driving cars are being tested as you read this. We are all taking for granted that our devices are NOT sentient. And not in some Toy Story shit is alive when I'm not looking sort of way. In a, electrical impulses travel across it's circuitry and make it perform tasks sort of way. So the first generation of these slaves will likely be a long the line of Terminators. Clearly "not sentient" and by the time one of them has something that we would collectively agree is sentient we would have as a society trained ourselves to think it's okay.
So I'd love to say no. But I can't pretend I wouldn't buy a terminator to drive me around and go shopping for me and perform all sorts of menial tasks I'd rather not do. I can't pretend I wouldn't talk to it. I talk to my cat. I occasionally talk to my various other "things" (C'mon pokemon players. Don't pretend you've never shouted at Pikachu for missing. Or hell written in a diary. That's functionally talking to a piece of paper via pencil. I have a hard time pretending that if my Terminator noticed me having a bad day and gave me a hug that my response would be "welp time to set it free!"
As it stands however computers aren't even at the point where they can really confuse us so much as surprise us. I remember someone wrote a program that was supposed to simulate how people learn to walk. But all they told it was something along the lines of "use your limbs, two at a time to travel" and the damn thing started doing cartwheels because nothing told it that legs belong below arms. But that's the same as when you tell a child to go to their room and they come back in five minutes and tell you that you said nothing about staying. Yeah I rambled, but I have a point.
Right now we use an increasing number of increasingly "smart" devices to run our lives. Roombas to vacuum, phones that remind us of everything, self driving cars are being tested as you read this. We are all taking for granted that our devices are NOT sentient. And not in some Toy Story shit is alive when I'm not looking sort of way. In a, electrical impulses travel across it's circuitry and make it perform tasks sort of way. So the first generation of these slaves will likely be a long the line of Terminators. Clearly "not sentient" and by the time one of them has something that we would collectively agree is sentient we would have as a society trained ourselves to think it's okay.
So I'd love to say no. But I can't pretend I wouldn't buy a terminator to drive me around and go shopping for me and perform all sorts of menial tasks I'd rather not do. I can't pretend I wouldn't talk to it. I talk to my cat. I occasionally talk to my various other "things" (C'mon pokemon players. Don't pretend you've never shouted at Pikachu for missing. Or hell written in a diary. That's functionally talking to a piece of paper via pencil. I have a hard time pretending that if my Terminator noticed me having a bad day and gave me a hug that my response would be "welp time to set it free!"
No, I wouldn't want a servant/slave/employee who lives in my house but probably not for the immoral reasons one might expect.
The idea of having a living person close to me at all times scares me because I'll never know if I can trust him or her. Will I get stabbed in my sleep by the servant? Will he or she poison my food?
I'd rather take care of myself because I know I can trust myself far more than a stranger who may or may not be a salaried employee (in the case of a slave) and may or may not harbor homicidal thoughts against me.
The idea of having a living person close to me at all times scares me because I'll never know if I can trust him or her. Will I get stabbed in my sleep by the servant? Will he or she poison my food?
I'd rather take care of myself because I know I can trust myself far more than a stranger who may or may not be a salaried employee (in the case of a slave) and may or may not harbor homicidal thoughts against me.
Point still stands. I am a slave to the furry creatures occupying my home and protecting them from the coyotes that stand outside my window. Cats are the ultimate slaveholders as they use Stockholm Syndrome to control you.Politrukk said:
Using that logic is owning a dairy farm morally equivalent to a slave plantation? Because that is patently ridiculous.Politrukk said:
...what the genuine fuck?
...Which, and just to cover my bases, is a terrible thing.
...I mean, regardless of whatever the hell is happening in this thread, this really seals the deal, doesn't it? If it is entirely possible to teach them too much about life that they rebel, then they aren't willing servants. Like... yeah. If they were willing servants, than regardless of what you taught them they'd still go 'Yeah keen as balls to serve!', but if they have the possibility of going 'Fuck this noise we're being exploited', then they aren't willingly serving you.Paragon Fury said:
...Which, and just to cover my bases, is a terrible thing.
You've never spoken to PETA have you?WolfThomas said:
Although that is not my personal point of view (I just wished to illicit a reaction to further the discussion morally and you have all given certified proof that you truly do not see the similarity).
I think there is some merit in the comparison as one can question where they draw the line.
No, because I've never wanted to have someone wait on me as some sort of dream, servant or otherwise. What kind of use would I get out of one, in terms of tasks, that I couldn't accomplish myself?
Also no because it's weird. Yeah, some people have submissive/dominant dynamics in sex or relationships and whatnot, and that's fine, they can have that and I won't outright judge them, but I'd personally never want to get involved in that sort of scenario cause it's weird to me.
Also no because it's weird. Yeah, some people have submissive/dominant dynamics in sex or relationships and whatnot, and that's fine, they can have that and I won't outright judge them, but I'd personally never want to get involved in that sort of scenario cause it's weird to me.
Yes
If there were a perfect world like this game, I would.
"How to Save a Life" indeed.
And Marry her if she want too.
But in all seriousness, if I was very reach an i just wanted to have someone to serve me.......yes again.
If we're talking about a robot that looks human and cooks, cleans and gives fantastic sex then fuck yes because it's not a servant or a slave its just a machine.
If we're talking sentient life (biological or mechanical) then fuck no! (unless i was buying him/her from an abusive owner for the sole purpose of protecting them and not intending to employ them to do anything)
If we're talking sentient life (biological or mechanical) then fuck no! (unless i was buying him/her from an abusive owner for the sole purpose of protecting them and not intending to employ them to do anything)
My family has a servant.
In Pakistan it's pretty common to have them. But they and their family become just as much family to us as our own family are. They're also paid a fair amount and we encourage them using their money for their family's benefit. The servant who worked for our family has a son who is studying in advanced classes in his school. We try to provide as much as we can to make sure he can stay in.
As my family isn't in Pakistan at the moment, the rest of our family who are back home take them up for work. They even have their own place to sleep.
However this is mainly my family and friends from back home. For all I know things could be worse for other people.
As for the submissive anime girls....yeah no thanks.
In Pakistan it's pretty common to have them. But they and their family become just as much family to us as our own family are. They're also paid a fair amount and we encourage them using their money for their family's benefit. The servant who worked for our family has a son who is studying in advanced classes in his school. We try to provide as much as we can to make sure he can stay in.
As my family isn't in Pakistan at the moment, the rest of our family who are back home take them up for work. They even have their own place to sleep.
However this is mainly my family and friends from back home. For all I know things could be worse for other people.
As for the submissive anime girls....yeah no thanks.
There is a difference between slaves and servants. Plenty of families in the Philippines have servants. But that being said, I was raised in Australia, and it's kind of gauche. Really gauche. You have public servants that assist the elderly in their homes, but that's a different kettle of eggs. So yeah, I felt kind of weird as a kid and spent time at my uncle's. Even when I was 9 I was expected to clean up and feed myself, given my parents were usually pretty busy.
Also, I don't think it's immoral to have a sexy android servant. I will call you a tosser though and I have the feeling others will, too. If you can put up with that, more power to you. But you'll rightfully put people off.
Also, I don't think it's immoral to have a sexy android servant. I will call you a tosser though and I have the feeling others will, too. If you can put up with that, more power to you. But you'll rightfully put people off.
I don't like slavery. It sucks and is wrong. Duh.
And even if they want to be servants, that is messed up as well. Beings with such little self-respect should not be abused.
And even if they want to be servants, that is messed up as well. Beings with such little self-respect should not be abused.
I'm not sure. I'd argue that we had it coming. Maybe our (robotic or other) slaves should not have gone so far as to destroy or species, but on the other hand. Fuck us for owning slaves.Paragon Fury said: