Butlers are not slaves. Ergo, if it's a butler, I would say yes.
...if the butler is Tim Curry, however, forget it.
...if the butler is Tim Curry, however, forget it.
They feel pain and perceive the world don't they?Happyninja42 said:Can you prove they are sentient? Because from what I've seen from most experts in the field, cats don't qualify as sentient.Politrukk said:Ah you have them, you own them you say?LegendaryGamer0 said:I have a bunch of cats. I'm wondering who is supposed to be the slave here.Politrukk said:So none of you have pets?
I love how people try to explain the keeping of a sentient beast away when it doesn't quite suit them.
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/sentientHappyninja42 said:Oh I love cats too, and have 2 of them right now. But the issue was a poster was calling people in this thread hypocrites for "owning sentient creatures" while decrying the act of owning a sentient creature. Considering that by every actual scientific definition of sentient, I'm pretty sure cats don't qualify, it makes his holier than thou stance fairly moot, and contrary to the actual discussion.LegendaryGamer0 said:As someone who has lived with an assload of cats for the majority of my life, I would state they very much qualify as sentient. Even if they aren't, I can't stop loving these little bastards!Happyninja42 said:Can you prove they are sentient? Because from what I've seen from most experts in the field, cats don't qualify as sentient.
Loving the cats is another issue entirely, and has no bearing on whether or not they are sentient.
Point still stands. I am a slave to the furry creatures occupying my home and protecting them from the coyotes that stand outside my window. Cats are the ultimate slaveholders as they use Stockholm Syndrome to control you.Politrukk said:https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/sentient
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sentient
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/sentient
Holier than thou you said?
Using that logic is owning a dairy farm morally equivalent to a slave plantation? Because that is patently ridiculous.Politrukk said:So none of you have pets?
...I mean, regardless of whatever the hell is happening in this thread, this really seals the deal, doesn't it? If it is entirely possible to teach them too much about life that they rebel, then they aren't willing servants. Like... yeah. If they were willing servants, than regardless of what you taught them they'd still go 'Yeah keen as balls to serve!', but if they have the possibility of going 'Fuck this noise we're being exploited', then they aren't willingly serving you.Paragon Fury said:Personally....I'm not sure. On the one hand, having a personal servant would be great. On the other hand, I'd probably be the guy who got overly attached, taught it too much about and life and caused it to start the servant revolution leading to the death of humanity, which would be bad.
It was proving a point, giving the definition of a word to someone who is calling you stupid is a pretty acceptable practice I'd imagine.Richard Gozin-Yu said:I think it was more like, picking a fight for no reason other than picking a fight. Going to the dictionary as your first choice kind of seals that deal.Politrukk said:https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/sentientHappyninja42 said:Oh I love cats too, and have 2 of them right now. But the issue was a poster was calling people in this thread hypocrites for "owning sentient creatures" while decrying the act of owning a sentient creature. Considering that by every actual scientific definition of sentient, I'm pretty sure cats don't qualify, it makes his holier than thou stance fairly moot, and contrary to the actual discussion.LegendaryGamer0 said:As someone who has lived with an assload of cats for the majority of my life, I would state they very much qualify as sentient. Even if they aren't, I can't stop loving these little bastards!Happyninja42 said:Can you prove they are sentient? Because from what I've seen from most experts in the field, cats don't qualify as sentient.
Loving the cats is another issue entirely, and has no bearing on whether or not they are sentient.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sentient
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/sentient
Holier than thou you said?
You've never spoken to PETA have you?WolfThomas said:Using that logic is owning a dairy farm morally equivalent to a slave plantation? Because that is patently ridiculous.Politrukk said:So none of you have pets?
I'm not sure. I'd argue that we had it coming. Maybe our (robotic or other) slaves should not have gone so far as to destroy or species, but on the other hand. Fuck us for owning slaves.Paragon Fury said:Personally....I'm not sure. On the one hand, having a personal servant would be great. On the other hand, I'd probably be the guy who got overly attached, taught it too much about and life and caused it to start the servant revolution leading to the death of humanity, which would be bad.