Poll: Would you support a human Genophage?

[Lethos]

Ah, a thread where all the ultra-authoritarian misanthropes get to come out and touch themselves. Because instead of promoting education and development, it's much better to forcibly inflict total infertility on the human populace.

I'm just going to stop trying to remain classy for a moment and make an observation that there is probably a large concentration of frustrated virgins on this forum.

 

[TheProffesor]

No. A human genophage is a bad idea because our populations are not explosive compared to the Krogan. The Krogan bred like crazy and lived for thousands of years. Something HAD to be done. They drained fresh garden worlds in a few decades.

Humans, on the other hand, can control our population through expansion. We'll simply expand into space and find more places to live. With proper incentives to move, the population can grow safely.

 

[Erttheking]

The Krogan were a war hungry species that expanded like wildfire and sowed chaos, destruction and mass genocide wherever they went, and even then the genophage on them is considered a gray area. You can't do the same thing to Humans and call it just.

 

[Thyunda]

We've got more people than we can actually do anything with - hence the overly high unemployment levels and struggling businesses.

Yeah, its not like government officials ran the economy into the ground. Oh wait, that's exactly the case.

If you used your brain for five seconds, you would realize how stupid that sounds. The population increase means that the work force and consumers grow. The demand for workers goes up and the supply of workers goes up. Duh!

Everyone currently on the planet could live in an area of 250,000 square km (that isn't even one fifth a percent of the non-polar land on Earth). I think we have enough space. There are enough resources on this planet to sustain fifteen times the world's population indefinitely (that's adjusted with comfort in mind). And let's not forget that technology will advance in ways that will reduce some resource usage long before our population quintuples.

Replicators for example:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091110071535.htm

I don't think you understand how the economy works. Overpopulation leads to more people than jobs. More people that jobs leads to a greater percentage of tight-fisted 'consumers'. Businesses then start struggling and have to make cutbacks. More people are unemployed. More of the consumer base have no money. Less people spend. More businesses shut down.

Christ. No wonder we're in such dire straits.

When did overpopulation become a problem? I don't remember widespread food shortages. We're not running out of space to farm or build cities. We're not cramped into communal housing. It's not like someone in a crowded city can't move somewhere else.

This is a stupid idea, we're not going to consume earth any time soon.

Overpopulation is a major problem. We've got more people than we can actually do anything with - hence the overly high unemployment levels and struggling businesses. The problem isn't that there isn't enough business, it's that there are too many people. And that's the very best of it. This doesn't include the mass starvation in third world countries. To deny overpopulation is to deny that fire is hot.

While I don't agree with what you're saying, I respect you for having Zee Captain as your avatar.

I maintain that overpopulation isn't the real problem, I think it comes down to money. It's not that we have too many people, it's that it's that there just aren't enough jobs being made for them. Billions of dollars are sitting in rich folk's bank accounts doing fuck-all, when that money could be invested or spent somewhere else. Invest in a business, invest in the government, do something humanitarian. The planet is sustainable, we sure don't need to start chemically castrating people. We just need to get the rich fuckers and governments doing their part instead of lining their own pockets.

Even then, I won't deny the mass starvation in third world countries. But that could still be helped with a more determined aid program from the wealthier nations of the world. These countries could be developed into self-sustainability, but not enough people out there can find the money to put forward.

Distribution of wealth is indeed the biggest problem in third world countries and such. Bigshots have all this money. Other people do not. However, in more condensed areas with our economic struggles, that's where overpopulation is the bigger problem. A billionaire could do wonders for South Sudan. He couldn't help me in the same way. Well, he could, but it's not really practical in the long term.

 

[SD-Fiend]

nah, we just need to rid the world of religion, that would result in birth control and boom smaller families

1:that's not even clever
2:there's more than one religion(I'm geussing you think all religions are Christianity/catholicism]
3:that's not how anything in the world works.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

No? Ethics people, fucking ethics. The birth rate is higher in underdeveloped countries, so, in my opinion, the fairest, most ethical way of sorting out overpopulation is to develop these nations. This genophage is the lazy man's option.

 

[Raddra]

Genophage? No.

The governments growing a backbone and introducing sensible laws on birth control designed to combat this? Yes.

 

[rekabdarb]

No, and for a specific reason.

Krogan reproduced at 200 at a time.

Humans do it usually 1 at a time.

 

[chadachada123]

NO. Absolutely not.

If, however, the 40% of you in favour want to sterilize yourselves and achieve it that way then I have no complaints.

No can do. I've got damn-fine genes. It'd be a disservice to humanity.

 

[cookyy2k]

The nukes will be a problem in WW3, as they will be used eventually. Humans lack the common sense to not use them. But if we're lucky fission bombs would have gone out of style by then. Which leaves us with nice clean fussion bombs (no fallout). If we're starting with those then the population might actually be significantly reduced to say a billion or so. (Only the cities will be bombed, because the bombs could be intercepted before impact, therefor bombing anything that isn't a city is too much of a risk)

Go look up a fusion bomb, you'll find they're known as hydrogen bombs. The trigger for a hydrogen bomb is a fission bomb. Also whilst on this topic, Hydrogen bombs are the ones that have actually fallen out of fashion as they're way too big to be practical, since the cold war the trend has been making small fission bombs for surgical strikes as opposed to mass destruction. A trident for example carries 12 fission warheads, independently targeted with yields ranging from 10-100 kilotonnes. The general aim of western research is towards smaller and smaller yields.

OT hells yeah it's a good idea, some technicalities would need to be worked out but it has a good goal.

 

[Grathius22]

Way too many people support this than I had hoped. I know understand how the 'Once great Krogan homeworld' became what it was in Mass Effect.

Seriously, pretty much the same thing I'd imagine.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

There is a HUGE difference between Genophage and population control.

I would NEVER support something as horrible as the Genophage. I even told that to Mordin and I told him he was a horrible, horrible person. And we weren't even testing for that...

But I would support some kind of population control or better to say law that would heavily punish people who aren't supposed to have any more children. You see all the times when idiots who can't support even one child have over 5 kids. That's horrible. There should seriously be some parenting licence.
And with the internet and all it's benefits, it's really easy to keep track of the number of births/deaths and keep the numbers "stable".

 

[Mikeyfell]

There are far to many humans. I would support a Genophage. Hell, I'd support a Reaper invasion. And that's not just the indoctrination talking, I really mean it.

Either that or we wait for the Hannar to save us and let them turn our kids into bad ass assassins. I think that's the sounder option.

 

[Imperius]

It makes me wonder if Hitler started the mass genocides of certain races because the Nazis knew there were going to be far too many people around in the future.
After all, he did claim his campaign on the Eastern Front was to give Lebensraum or Living room for the German people.

 

[Imperius]

In any case, would anyone like some Soylent Green?

 

[Kefo]

I'll be glad when the ME3 hype train has left the station and perhaps some of the stupidity that creates ideas like this will go with it

 

[quantumsoul]

In societies where women work and have equal rights populations are stable. If you treat women like baby factories you'll get excessive births. You don't need a genophage; all you need to do is put girls and school and women to work.

 

[Blobpie]

i would like to point out that when we reach the maximum viable population; it will level out.
People will die, form famine, pestilence and violence. And alot of them will die, but the population will naturally level out.

 

[Imperius]

As I see it, there's only two solutions to this problem:
One: Start a massive war in which one side performs genocide.
Two: Get our shit together and get colonies out in space.

*Three* Turn half the population into vampires, and have them feed on the last surviving humans.

 

[Kefo]

As I see it, there's only two solutions to this problem:
One: Start a massive war in which one side performs genocide.
Two: Get our shit together and get colonies out in space.

*Three* Turn half the population into vampires, and have them feed on the last surviving humans.

That didnt work they just started having human shortages...at least until they found out the cure for vampirism was sunlight *mind boggle*