Porn, what's your opinion?

[Sunrider]

I watch it, I like it. Simple as that. I have pretty specific tastes, and I don't like what is universally considered "weird" most of the time. Other than that, bring it on.

 

[wootsniper]

this topic reminds me of this video http://www.theonion.com/video/study-children-exposed-to-pornography-may-expect-s,14326/

in early high school it was great, now days i rarely watch it, and generally only watch it with my friends

This is fake right?

EDIT: Nevermind... XD (I only saw the first thirthy seocnds when i posted this)

 

[KafkaOffTheBeach]

^Bam.
@KafkaOffTheBeach: It's used (wrongly) to describe just spyin' on peoples lives these days, but that doesn't make the word mean what you think it is. It just means you are using the word incorrectly.

No.
It was originally used (correctly) to describe spying on lives.
The definition then changed to something sexual due to all the psychological undertones connected with the spying.
Now there is another dimension to said definition - once again due to psychological undertones and various Freudian bullshit.

EDIT: Actually - fuck that. It was never used as a description for something purely sexual. That was just me being smarmy with the overuse of a literary triptych.

 

[Stasisesque]

You honestly believe voyeurism means to gain a new perspective on someone's live from watching their lives unfold?

Voyeurism is a sexual activity. It is finding sexual pleasure in watching others engage in sexual or intimate acts. It is not just watching someone. Not as a technical term, certainly not in the context I presented it.

Voyeurism is a sexual activity - yes.
Is it restricted to being only a sexual activity by some strange language quirk?
No.

What is Voyeurism at its core, as a sexual activity?
It is the act of living out your fantasies through other people, through watching other people without the risk of the activity, but with the risk of being caught observing. From this vicarious pleasure one derives pleasure from being the unseen, from being the omnipresent and the omniscient.
Now - I know that this definition is slightly askew due to the fact that I haven't really taken into account the sheer scope of the internet and its ability to publicise the lives of others, but bear with me here.
The core of voyeurism lies in the idea of vicarious living, because voyeurism the sexual act is deriving sexual pleasure vicariously. When we watch TV, or movies, or, god forbid, read books, we inhabit those characters whether we like it or not. We experience emotion through them - we escape from our reality through them and we live out their lives through the craft of the author. We as readers, as viewers, are closer to these characters than anyone else in their 'reality', because we know more about them, because we have experienced what they have experienced from their perspective.
This is voyeurism.
When you open the book you are spying on lives that are a world away from your own, doing things that you wish you could do with people you wish you could be, and, because of your perspective as the omnipresent reader, the camera onto this world, you get to experience emotion through them, and in doing that, and in deriving pleasure from said activities, the reader, the audience, becomes the voyeur - the sad shadow in the curtains deriving pleasure from the most intimate perspective of the most intimate moments of these people and their lives.

Sorry about the slightly off sentence structure and relatively limited vocabulary.
I'm tired.
And very, very cold.

I'm sorry, while that's a very interesting view, it is still incorrect.

It is a technical and medical term, it isn't up for interpretation.

 

[Stasisesque]

^Bam.
@KafkaOffTheBeach: It's used (wrongly) to describe just spyin' on peoples lives these days, but that doesn't make the word mean what you think it is. It just means you are using the word incorrectly.

No.
It was originally used (correctly) to describe spying on lives.
The definition then changed to something sexual due to all the psychological undertones connected with the spying.
Now there is another dimension to said definition - once again due to psychological undertones and various Freudian bullshit.

No... no. Where are you getting this idea from? It was never originally used (correctly) to describe spying on lives. The definition never changed. The word was invented to describe the act.

The closest possible origin of the term is Scopophilia. You can look that one up yourself.

 

[OneNooneKnows]

As long as it's legal, and people don't hold their real-life relationships up to the standards of the porn stars, then I'm more then fine with it.

 

[badgersprite]

What about it?

Oversharing: Eh, most of my experience with porn is reading smut fics, but at some point it clicked in my mind that literally everything I was reading was utter shit so I lost all interest in it. For the most part, I don't really get the point of it as an industry. Like, why do they make boringly long porn films with sex that goes on so long it becomes tedious when all anybody really needs is a couple of minutes to get the job done? And I'm a girl saying this; ***** gotta know her own body and all that. I rarely watch it, but if the mood strikes me, I'm not ashamed to say I go back to some old standards. Mostly amateur stuff, since watching people try to act is painful. I prefer when they don't try to talk at all.

 

[Littaly]

I know I should be critical of it, I should be all like "This is degrading towards women, this is putting the womens rights movement back by decades, it gives young boys a falsely skewed view on sex". But as soon as I click play I'm reminded of why I watch it in the first place, and then suddenly all those issues and all that immorality seems a little less urgent

 

[KafkaOffTheBeach]

I'm sorry, while that's a very interesting view, it is still incorrect.

It is a technical and medical term, it isn't up for interpretation.

Sooooo......emotion, I take it, isn't considered a private activity?
A thought that only the reader can hear isn't considered spying on an intimate moment?
Watching multiple lives intersect from the comfort of a living room isn't considered 'spying on people engaged in intimate behaviour'?

And also - just to point this out - it is fucking up for interpretation.
Saying that it isn't doesn't make it so, and insults the intelligence of everyone reading.
It isn't an 'interesting view', nor is it 'incorrect' - but it isn't necessarily 'correct' either.
What it is is a completely valid view of reality much favoured by psychologists where everything takes on sexual meaning - whether you want it to or not.
Whether you wish it or not, hell, whether you know it or not, you are deriving pleasure and sexual release from watching - hence turning you into a voyeur.
Because, in the end, it all boils down to sex when dealing with the psyche.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

I've got no qualms with porn. I consume it pretty much daily.

 

[shitoutonme]

My day doesn't start without pulling down my pants, sitting in front of my computer, and googling "Big Booty White Girls," unless there's a woman around to satisfy my sexual desires instead.

 

[DarkhoIlow]

My opinion towards pornography has never changed.

I watch porn regularly so I have no beef with it.

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

the internet is for porn. period.

 

[Midnight Llamaman]

I'm sorry, while that's a very interesting view, it is still incorrect.

It is a technical and medical term, it isn't up for interpretation.

Sooooo......emotion, I take it, isn't considered a private activity?
A thought that only the reader can hear isn't considered spying on an intimate moment?
Watching multiple lives intersect from the comfort of a living room isn't considered 'spying on people engaged in intimate behaviour'?

And also - just to point this out - it is fucking up for interpretation.
Saying that it isn't doesn't make it so, and insults the intelligence of everyone reading.
It isn't an 'interesting view', nor is it 'incorrect' - but it isn't necessarily 'correct' either.
What it is is a completely valid view of reality much favoured by psychologists where everything takes on sexual meaning - whether you want it to or not.
Whether you wish it or not, hell, whether you know it or not, you are deriving pleasure and sexual release from watching - hence turning you into a voyeur.
Because, in the end, it all boils down to sex when dealing with the psyche.

Actually, you are just wrong. The French Root is roughly 'to see' - yes, but the English term Voyeur means "a person who obtains sexual pleasure or excitement from the observation of someone undressing, having intercourse, etc" or, basically someone who engages in Voyeurism. Which means, guess what? Yes! Voyeurism means "the practice of obtaining sexual gratification by looking at sexual objects or acts, especially secretively.".

It's even in the DSM as a paraphilia, not to mention the ICD. You can say what you want; but it isn't going to make you right. What the word means isn't open for debate any more than saying the word Blue actually means Red. It's used inaccurately in common parlance, yes. Does that make that inaccurate usage correct?

No, no it does not.

 

[KafkaOffTheBeach]

No... no. Where are you getting this idea from? It was never originally used (correctly) to describe spying on lives. The definition never changed. The word was invented to describe the act.

The closest possible origin of the term is Scopophilia. You can look that one up yourself.

It was - because it was originally French.
It was derogatory, but not completely sexual, nor technical, nor medical.
That, much like the voyeur himself, came some time afterwards.

 

[Hoagster51]

I dont think it is evil or anything but everything should be enjoyed in moderation and I can imagine it fucking up some peoples lives in excess.

And i really dont get how some women find it offensive. It means they dont get it. I dont think it encourages objectifying women as much as the media claims...

 

[Stasisesque]

No... no. Where are you getting this idea from? It was never originally used (correctly) to describe spying on lives. The definition never changed. The word was invented to describe the act.

The closest possible origin of the term is Scopophilia. You can look that one up yourself.

It was - because it was originally French.
It was derogatory, but not completely sexual, nor technical, nor medical.
That, much like the voyeur himself, came some time afterwards.

I believe you are confusing Voyeurism with the French word "voyeur". Yes, the term borrowed the word, but that you can thank the awful translators Freud hired for that.

Voyeurism is more closely related to Scopophilia, as stated. Freud wrote about it but inadvertently misused the term and ended up referring to anxiety felt when watched, rather than the lustful act of watching.

A Voyeur in English is one who engages in the act of Voyeurism. A Voyeur in French is someone who watches. The words are the same, but the meanings are not, and we are talking about the English term, not the French term.

I'm sorry, while that's a very interesting view, it is still incorrect.

It is a technical and medical term, it isn't up for interpretation.

Sooooo......emotion, I take it, isn't considered a private activity?
A thought that only the reader can hear isn't considered spying on an intimate moment?
Watching multiple lives intersect from the comfort of a living room isn't considered 'spying on people engaged in intimate behaviour'?

And also - just to point this out - it is fucking up for interpretation.
Saying that it isn't doesn't make it so, and insults the intelligence of everyone reading.
It isn't an 'interesting view', nor is it 'incorrect' - but it isn't necessarily 'correct' either.
What it is is a completely valid view of reality much favoured by psychologists where everything takes on sexual meaning - whether you want it to or not.
Whether you wish it or not, hell, whether you know it or not, you are deriving pleasure and sexual release from watching - hence turning you into a voyeur.
Because, in the end, it all boils down to sex when dealing with the psyche.

You changed the meaning of the term. That is what is not up for interpretation.

Gaining sexual pleasure from watching others who are not engaging in sexual activity does not change the meaning of the term, it just adds yet another layer to it or possibly would come under a different -philia. That is what I considered interesting. But you cannot change the term, which was coined as a description of the act. Voyeurism has never meant anything but deriving sexual pleasure from watching others engage in intimate activities.

 

[Crimbo23]

I don't believe that there is anything wrong with porn as long as it is legal. I watch porn, and i enjoy it, it fills a gap when i am single. I understand peoples objections to porn but i think it is a naive point of view from people who don't like porn because they don't want to be seen to like porn due to the stigma it carries.

 

[Rooster893]

Need...More....PRON!!!!!

OT: I love it. I'd just like to find one Hentai that doesn't involve freaking tentacles....

 

[Jake0fTrades]

A basic human pleasure, so long as no one was harmed in it's making, it's fair game.