Poser movies...Seriously

[RufusMcLaser]

I wonder if the OP realized the anthill (s?)he was kicking over by not paying proper respect to Watchmen. You might get off easier by just insulting Yahweh, Allah, Jesus, Buddha, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the same paragraph, for all the religious fervor the topic engenders.

Guess it's Religious Extremist Night here on the Escapist.

EDIT: Just so we're clear, I loved Watchmen.

 

[captain awesome 12]

Push is the same concept that Jumper had. Only it will turn out worse because force hands are the dumbest things I've ever seen when not wielded by a Jedi. Watchmen actually is based on something awesome.

Damn it, Ninja'd to the Jumper analogy.

 

[Jumpman]

watchmen is based on an award winning comic book that was written in the eighties. It was sort of meant to emulate some of the other heroes at the time because its partially a commentary on the whole genre. Its about how superheroes would affect the world if they were real.

I dont know anything about push.

 

[Jumpman]

I have been watching the previews and trailers for the movies The Watchmen and Push. Now correct me if I am wrong but are these movies just a star wars and a batman movie just without the marvel rights? And George Lucas rights?
Correct me if I am wrong but here I go
Push has the same styled crap as the force and has the same basic story line from what i see just this time the Jedi are hated and trying to be recruited for evil deeds of some sort.
The Watchmen, from what I have seen, their heroes look very familiar to those in the other actual hero movies, batman wolverine, ect

What you guys think?

the character's in Watchmen look familiar because they're supposed to remind you of classic comic characters, and in fact at one point they were going to use actual established comic book heroes like Blue Beetle and Captain Atom... but, they lost the rights at the last minute, and had to fabricate facsimiles that could stand in for them, but use to tell the same story...

if you've not read the book, please withhold judgment about the characters and story until you've done so... much will be explained, and you'll see that it's not just a simple knock-off...

what he said.

 

[Adam Jenson]

Would someone mind telling me how Rorsarch managed to betaken seriously by, well, anyone? He has no signifigant advantages in strength, speed or agility, he has no powers to speak of, he doesn't carry any weapons for some reason, why don't the criminals just shoot him?

because he's a nut who uses intimidation and guerrilla tactics in order to do what he has to. Crims were probably to scared to do anything just because He's after them. The police on the other hand would want him alive in order to show everyone what would happen to outlawed heroes.

The reason he is so popular however is because at the end of the day he is the hero.

 

[Adam Jenson]

No, at the end of the day he's still a nutjob who wanted to destroy the world rather than swallow his own warped sense of right and wrong.

What are you talking about?!

Spoiler

Ozymandias was the one who blew up New York

Rorschach wanted to tell the world the truth!

And what guerilla tactics? He walked around with swirling blobs on his face, and he's about as intimidating as, well, a guy with swirling blobs on his face. Charles Bronsons character in Death Wish at least carried a fucking gun, and didn't wear a stupid mask he shouldn't have been able to breathe in.

You don't call hiding in a guys fridge, using a makeshift flamethrower on a swat team or attacking a man with his own dead dogs guerilla tactics?!

And where the hell did a guy like Rorscharch get a grappling hook gun?

It was a gift from Nite Owl II when they were a team back in the 70's

 

[Adam Jenson]

That stayed in working order for 10 years, without requiring more compressed air?

he probably broke into a hardware store at some point

 

[Yog Sothoth]

Would someone mind telling me how Rorsarch managed to betaken seriously by, well, anyone? He has no signifigant advantages in strength, speed or agility, he has no powers to speak of, he doesn't carry any weapons for some reason, why don't the criminals just shoot him?

Rorschach's "power" is his indomitable force of will and near uncanny powers of observation. He's very clever, and can usually outwit his opponents simply by having a high level of situational awareness and turning circumstances to his favor. He's very good at improvising weapons as well, evidenced by the aerosol can flame-thrower he used... He's also a keen student of psychology and the human condition, and is very adept at intimidating people with the help of the ever shifting patterns on his mask.

 

[Adam Jenson]

Rorschach's "power" is his indomitable force of will and near uncanny powers of observation. He's very clever, and can usually outwit his opponents simply by having a high level of situational awareness and turning circumstances to his favor. He's very good at improvising weapons as well, evidenced by the aerosol can flame-thrower he used... He's also a keen student of psychology and the human condition, and is very adept at intimidating people with the help of the ever shifting patterns on his mask.

Not to mention his formal training in Boxing in high school

 

[Yog Sothoth]

Rorschach's "power" is his indomitable force of will and near uncanny powers of observation. He's very clever, and can usually outwit his opponents simply by having a high level of situational awareness and turning circumstances to his favor. He's very good at improvising weapons as well, evidenced by the aerosol can flame-thrower he used... He's also a keen student of psychology and the human condition, and is very adept at intimidating people with the help of the ever shifting patterns on his mask.

Not to mention his formal training in Boxing in high school

yeah, i just remembered that he's a formidable brawler as well and was going to edit that in, but you beat me to it...

 

[Yog Sothoth]

Would someone mind telling me how Rorsarch managed to betaken seriously by, well, anyone? He has no signifigant advantages in strength, speed or agility, he has no powers to speak of, he doesn't carry any weapons for some reason, why don't the criminals just shoot him?

Rorschach's "power" is his indomitable force of will and near uncanny powers of observation. He's very clever, and can usually outwit his opponents simply by having a high level of situational awareness and turning circumstances to his favor. He's very good at improvising weapons as well, evidenced by the aerosol can flame-thrower he used...

Who honestly doesn't know that? That's the sort of thing that you learn when you're 12. And I highly doubt Moore came up with it.

The problem is that he was paired with Nite Owl II, who is essentially Batman. Handheld Lasers > Psychological awareness.

i assume that you're addressing the aerosol can flame-thrower...? that's just one example, another would be when he electrocuted the prisoners trying to break into his cell...

and you should never underestimate the power of psychology and intimidation, especially when dealing with criminal elements... besides, crime fighting isn't just about who would win in a toe-to-toe fight...

EDIT: more to the point, the only hero in Watchmen who had any super powers was Dr. Manhattan... The Comedian, Silk Spectre, Night Owl and the rest had to rely on more or less conventional weapons and fighting techniques to begin with, so in that light i don't think that Rorschach was all that out matched...

EDIT #2: you ask why no one just shot him, well i think that's a bit of the suspension of disbelief required to enjoy comics... you could as easily ask why no one just shot Green Arrow, the Punisher, Blue Beetle, Hawkeye or any other comic character who didn't have super powers per se....

 

[Adam Jenson]

The problem is that he was paired with Nite Owl II, who is essentially Batman. Handheld Lasers > Psychological awareness.

Now hold on, Nite Owl is far from Batman. Yes he does the whole themed thing Batman does and his arsenal isn't something to be scoffed at. Nite Owl doesn't have the same drive as Batman or Rorschach and he in no way has the same physical abilities or understanding of the human condition. You only have to see his flashback with The Comedian back in the 70's to see that.

 

[Yog Sothoth]

The problem is that he was paired with Nite Owl II, who is essentially Batman. Handheld Lasers > Psychological awareness.

Now hold on, Nite Owl is far from Batman. Yes he does the whole themed thing Batman does and his arsenal isn't something to be scoffed at. Nite Owl doesn't have the same drive as Batman or Rorschach and he in no way has the same physical abilities or understanding of the human condition. You only have to see his flashback with The Comedian back in the 70's to see that.

true that, as well... Rorschach was in far better physical condition than Night Owl II...

 

[The Wooster]

I have been watching the previews and trailers for the movies The Watchmen and Push. Now correct me if I am wrong but are these movies just a star wars and a batman movie just without the marvel rights? And George Lucas rights?
Correct me if I am wrong but here I go
Push has the same styled crap as the force and has the same basic story line from what i see just this time the Jedi are hated and trying to be recruited for evil deeds of some sort.
The Watchmen, from what I have seen, their heroes look very familiar to those in the other actual hero movies, batman wolverine, ect

What you guys think?

I...you... argh.