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I think that stopping online piracy is important, however I do not believe that how it was implemented was a proper use of that power. I do, however, believe that the next iteration should be far more fair, as it was made by people who actually understand the internet.
I can't stand it when politicians think they know everything they possibly could about a topic and legislate blindly away without any thought to the potential consequences of their obsequious, vague legalspeke. Moreover it infuriates me when they try to package GOOD bills with the toxic junk in order to get it passed. SO ANGRY AT IGNORANT LEADERS!!!!!!!!
If a movie doesn't make money in the box office, it's not because of pirates, it's because they're shit! If people would rather download a crap quality pirated version of a movie than watch it in theaters or own it on blu-ray, it's because it's probably not a good movie!
If you need the government to radically change the market in order to survive then you're just not worth saving; that's capitalism, deal with it! I'm sure we'd see some pretty good stuff coming from the indie film industry once hollywood has flopped.
If you need the government to radically change the market in order to survive then you're just not worth saving; that's capitalism, deal with it! I'm sure we'd see some pretty good stuff coming from the indie film industry once hollywood has flopped.
The thing that gets most people absolutely enraged about this bill is that the way it's worded it will do very little if ANYTHING at all to actually affect piracy in some meaningful way. Instead it'll push all websites overseas and put millions of people out of work.Jarimir said:
"Tearing the whole thing down" will put tens of millions of people out of work and cripple our economy.
"If you are willing to sacrifice freedom for security then you deserve neither"
You're off-topic, mate. Go find the thread that is about staying on sinking ship. This is an iceberg!Zhougdog said:
OT: This SOPA bill is the act of simple people trying to understand a massively complex place. And on a personal level? This bullshit interferes with a game gift I got from my girlfriend, so SHOVE IT, SOPA.
It's depressing how both of my senators are voting for it.
I was hoping at least one would see sense, but no, both have to be morons.
It's good to know that the line is hopefully busy from people calling to see this bill killed.
I was hoping at least one would see sense, but no, both have to be morons.
It's good to know that the line is hopefully busy from people calling to see this bill killed.
So you support those corporations shutting down Facebook, Twitter, Ebay, Reddit, and countless blogging sites because they feel those may encourage piracy?Zhougdog said:
This bill eliminates due process of law. ANYONE can go up to the government and be like "that site has copyrighted material" and the government can go "okay we're shutting it down" and that's that. Do you really want corporations to have THAT much power? Do you wanna see the list of sites they plan on shutting down if the bill passes?
That's not "preserving what makes this country great" that's tyranny over content and censorship.
SOPA threatens one of my favorite gaming music websites, OCRemix, and I for one will quit the whole goddam industry if bull shit laws get passed so that corporations get to determine who gets to put content on the internet.
I'm just upset that this is still an issue. Pretty much everyone in the US and outside is in an uproar over this. Usually when there's an ass of people telling a Bill to shove it it wont be passed.
These acts are less a push to stop Piracy and more a means for Big Business to attempt to negate the tumultuous changes that are pushing many of those industries into obsolescence. The power provided by SOPA/PIPA gives them the ability to immediately crush any hobbyist provider or indie developer that might create any form of competition, and that's what I find so sickening.
There is no way SOPA and PIPA are constitutional. If any of this gets passed it will be grounds for revolution. The American government cannot so blatantly defy the Constitution. If freedom of speech is destroyed so easily we will no longer be living in America.
SOPA is bullshit...
PIPA is worse bullshit specifically designed to make SOPA look better in comparison.
Under SOPA you could easily have this site shut down for good. It has footage from copyrighted games *gasp*. I love the escapist, I would hate to see this site shut down or a significant portion of youtube removed. It's just bullshit that we're letting corporations run the government. Whoever has the most money gets bills passed? Really? What's democratic about that? Nothing! it's facist is what it is. Worse still this proves the Occupy people right! They were right, corporations are running our government it's clear as day if this passes.
Social networking sites will be shut down, user input sites like forums, gone. The internet will be a very dark place. But there will still be porn XD
PIPA is worse bullshit specifically designed to make SOPA look better in comparison.
Under SOPA you could easily have this site shut down for good. It has footage from copyrighted games *gasp*. I love the escapist, I would hate to see this site shut down or a significant portion of youtube removed. It's just bullshit that we're letting corporations run the government. Whoever has the most money gets bills passed? Really? What's democratic about that? Nothing! it's facist is what it is. Worse still this proves the Occupy people right! They were right, corporations are running our government it's clear as day if this passes.
Social networking sites will be shut down, user input sites like forums, gone. The internet will be a very dark place. But there will still be porn XD
I think this should summarize my bottled up emotions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qG5Q58ecgc
Something like SOPA will eventually pass, and some greater protections against piracy should pass. But being obstructionist isn't really going to help in the long run. Nor is it helpful to argue that we will circumvent everything. At the end of the day, the domain name registry is in the United States, and there's almost nowhere that a site could be located that is not subject to the Berne convention or the World Intellectual Property Organization treaties. We have to deal with this.
And it's not as simple as "companies should change the way they do business" or "they can't stop piracy, so they should stop trying", or any other easy canard about how "information wants to be free" and that this is the wave of the future. We don't stop throwing people in jail for stealing cars just because we can't stop all car thefts.
Copyrights should be enforced. That is not only a moral covenant, but a utilitarian one. Speaking as someone who enjoys both Sequence and Mass Effect, I can recognize that the latter would not have been made without copyright protections. The choice is not between "paying for games and music and movies and television shows" and "not paying for them", but between "paying for them" and "not having them".
You can argue that piracy leads to more sales, or that it's good advertisement, but the decision to avail oneself of that should be left to the content creator, not the public. You can argue that "artists" will make art no matter what, but I doubt anyone here believes that Dragon Age III gets funding if EA knows people will be able to pirate it without recourse.
If we aren't willing to play ball, to compromise, to offer better copyright enforcement without draconian measures, the draconian measures will happen. So, if we do eventually beat back SOPA, the next step is not jumping up and down and being happy, the next step is to actually go to EA, and go to the MPAA, and the RIAA, and the ESA and say "we get it, you need to enforce your copyrights. Let's figure out the best way to do that without hurting other things."
We have room to demand concessions, not capitulation.
And it's not as simple as "companies should change the way they do business" or "they can't stop piracy, so they should stop trying", or any other easy canard about how "information wants to be free" and that this is the wave of the future. We don't stop throwing people in jail for stealing cars just because we can't stop all car thefts.
Copyrights should be enforced. That is not only a moral covenant, but a utilitarian one. Speaking as someone who enjoys both Sequence and Mass Effect, I can recognize that the latter would not have been made without copyright protections. The choice is not between "paying for games and music and movies and television shows" and "not paying for them", but between "paying for them" and "not having them".
You can argue that piracy leads to more sales, or that it's good advertisement, but the decision to avail oneself of that should be left to the content creator, not the public. You can argue that "artists" will make art no matter what, but I doubt anyone here believes that Dragon Age III gets funding if EA knows people will be able to pirate it without recourse.
If we aren't willing to play ball, to compromise, to offer better copyright enforcement without draconian measures, the draconian measures will happen. So, if we do eventually beat back SOPA, the next step is not jumping up and down and being happy, the next step is to actually go to EA, and go to the MPAA, and the RIAA, and the ESA and say "we get it, you need to enforce your copyrights. Let's figure out the best way to do that without hurting other things."
We have room to demand concessions, not capitulation.