Precursor Games Founder Arrested For Child Porn

[Akisa]

Are we talking about actual child porn or Lolicon because there is a difference [one uses real children the other drawing/cartoons] depending on the answer my opinion will change.

This was just one arrest of many involving a country wide investigation which saw about 22 people being arrested. Two children were saved during the search and seizures. Something tells me this wasn't just anime.

Well in that case:
Did the children consent?[yes I know that they don't have the knowledge needed ect ect but I'm still curious on if they were willing]
And how old are we speaking, toddlers or young teens?
These things will affect my judgment but so far it's not looking good for him.

I don't think it matters. in the United States any person under the age of 17 is not legally declared an adult, and thus are dubbed to not be legally able to "consent" to sexual acts with anyone. We hear of teens having sex all the time, but it's harder to pin the blame on two teens then say, one teen, and an adult. If this is legitimately the case then this company had one hell of a dark cloud cast upon it.

I know in they eyes of the law it doesn't matter [which personally I think is stupid saying that having sex a 14 year old who wanted it is just as bad as fucking a 5 year old is ridiculous] I'm just talking about my personal thought on the matter which are much more flexible than that of the government's.

Take it as you will. It is just simply American Law. In some countries you are declared an adult at earlier ages. In Iraq and Iran adulthood is 15 years old. Even in Scotland you can be declared mature at 16. The majority set the age at 18 however. If this includes the act of having sex I can't say for sure, but it's the age set in the US and its how the law is set. No exceptions.

Actually the age of consent in the USA is based on the state you're in. While a few states (12) have 18 as the age of consent, most states (30) have a lower age requirement like in Georgia, Hawaii, New Jersey, etc. In the case of Canada the age is 16.

 

[Abomination]

I don't know why anyone is rushing to defend this guy. Yes, he has just been charged and not convicted of anything. To get a warrant to come seize the computers in the home means the cops went to a Judge and had evidence to present. It might be "lolicon" but I doubt it.

As is always the case, time will tell.

I'm appalled the case is public knowledge at all. The damage to this man's reputation is now no longer salvageable.

 

[bjj hero]

Precursor Games founder and Silicon Knights vet Ken McCulloch has been arrested and charged with possession of child pornography.

I really object to the term child porn. It is images of child abuse and criminal behaviour. Porn involves consenting adults.

I know in they eyes of the law it doesn't matter [which personally I think is stupid saying that having sex with a 14 year old who wanted it is just as bad as fucking a 5 year old is ridiculous] I'm just talking about my personal thought on the matter which are much more flexible than that of the government's.

The seriousness would be reflected in the sentencing. The court would be far harsher with someone raping a 5 year old than a 17 year old who manipulates a 15 year old into sex (dependent on circumstances).

Finally, why are so many people assuming the police are looking for images of young girls on his computer? Its just as likely to be boys.

 

[Denamic]

Sometimes, you're just guilty until proven whatever. You don't even need to be charged with anything. A stray rumour is enough to get you shunned. Guilty or not, this man's professional and social life is now ruined.

 

[Dragonbums]

There is not accidental, "I did a single picture of CP and got caught" incidents in these cases.
If that were true, then I'm pretty sure 80% of users on websites like Furaffinity would find themselves in jail in a heartbeat.

Look at what the man is being accused of. Mainly viewing and downloading child porn. At that point, the man is guilty. That's it.

Why?

Because when they do investigations like this, they watch you. How long? Nobody knows. It could be months, or years. However they monitor your activity, and they compile data and evidence against you. Enough of it that they have a case against you.
Chance are, when they are knocking on your door telling you your under arrest for child porn, you can bet your ass you're already guilty. You are simply wasting your breath trying to defend yourself.
They just need the courts to make it official.

 

[Dragonbums]

Edit: Excuse the double post. Captcha was acting up.

 

[Alar]

There is not accidental, "I did a single picture of CP and got caught" incidents in these cases.
If that were true, then I'm pretty sure 80% of users on websites like Furaffinity would find themselves in jail in a heartbeat.

Look at what the man is being accused of. Mainly viewing and downloading child porn. At that point, the man is guilty. That's it.

Why?

Because when they do investigations like this, they watch you. How long? Nobody knows. It could be months, or years. However they monitor your activity, and they compile data and evidence against you. Enough of it that they have a case against you.
Chance are, when they are knocking on your door telling you your under arrest for child porn, you can bet your ass you're already guilty. You are simply wasting your breath trying to defend yourself.
They just need the courts to make it official.

Uggh, that thought gives me the willies. I was browsing the net one day and was fairly certain I stumbled across a legitimate picture of that. Suffice it to say I clicked the report button and backpedaled as fast as I could and never went back to that site again. Even with that, I was paranoid for months that someone would knock on my door for something that amounted to accidentally walking in on someone and slamming the door shut.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

I would bring up all the classic arguments of drawn vs live, what the stuff actually consisted of, innocent until proven guilty etc, get a few dozen responses from people who want the guy hung, argue for a few hours and get some bans either for me or them, but THANKFULLY it's a dev I don't care about in the slightest.

So yeah.

Sucks.

 

[Dragonbums]

There is not accidental, "I did a single picture of CP and got caught" incidents in these cases.
If that were true, then I'm pretty sure 80% of users on websites like Furaffinity would find themselves in jail in a heartbeat.

Look at what the man is being accused of. Mainly viewing and downloading child porn. At that point, the man is guilty. That's it.

Why?

Because when they do investigations like this, they watch you. How long? Nobody knows. It could be months, or years. However they monitor your activity, and they compile data and evidence against you. Enough of it that they have a case against you.
Chance are, when they are knocking on your door telling you your under arrest for child porn, you can bet your ass you're already guilty. You are simply wasting your breath trying to defend yourself.
They just need the courts to make it official.

Uggh, that thought gives me the willies. I was browsing the net one day and was fairly certain I stumbled across a legitimate picture of that. Suffice it to say I clicked the report button and backpedaled as fast as I could and never went back to that site again. Even with that, I was paranoid for months that someone would knock on my door for something that amounted to accidentally walking in on someone and slamming the door shut.

Keep in mind accidental viewing doesn't count.
Which is why they watch you to be absolutely sure that you are a regular viewer of CP. You aren't going to get arrested because you stumbled upon a single picture. It happens to everyone.
However if you keep coming back to the same sites and view the same content. Depending on how high you are in the profile ladder you better stop right there, and count yourself lucky that you didn't get arrested already.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Are we talking about actual child porn or Lolicon because there is a difference [one uses real children the other drawing/cartoons] depending on the answer my opinion will change.

I agree with this, I don't want to jump the gun on calling the guy filth.

That said, it sucks for the rest of the guys at Precursor Games. I'm guessing as one of the founding members he probably had quite a large role, and they've been having enough trouble lately.

 

[Gilhelmi]

I urge caution before throwing him under a bus. Niagara is known for corruption in the police force and government. It is possible they are telling the truth, but their track record puts even evidence in doubt.

For all we know, Niagara is claiming video games are porn. In fact, I am willing to bet that is what Niagara is doing.

Edit: Someone pointed out that he was arrested in Canada. I was thinking Niagara was an African country next to the Gulf of Guinea.

Guy is probably guilty as hell then. We can wait and see, but odds are good he is guilty.

 

[Abomination]

apparently its fashionable and cool to find a way to defend pedophiles these days

Yeah, due process is so last century.

 

[Micah Weil]

...well, I guess we won't be getting any sort of orphanages in the game...

 

[knight steel]

Are we talking about actual child porn or Lolicon because there is a difference [one uses real children the other drawing/cartoons] depending on the answer my opinion will change.

I agree with this, I don't want to jump the gun on calling the guy filth.

That said, it sucks for the rest of the guys at Precursor Games. I'm guessing as one of the founding members he probably had quite a large role, and they've been having enough trouble lately.

While I still wouldn't jump to conclusions someone brought up a very interesting point about why it probably not lolicon-I'll quote it so you can read it if you already haven't.

Generally if they are underage by a year or 2 they refer to it as "involving minors" or "underage individuals."

If its hentai they refer to them as "images depicting" etc.

When they say flat out "child porn" then you usually know they mean the kind that gets you shanked in jail.

Thanks for the good info hope you don't mind me quoting you ^_^.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Are we talking about actual child porn or Lolicon because there is a difference [one uses real children the other drawing/cartoons] depending on the answer my opinion will change.

I agree with this, I don't want to jump the gun on calling the guy filth.

That said, it sucks for the rest of the guys at Precursor Games. I'm guessing as one of the founding members he probably had quite a large role, and they've been having enough trouble lately.

While I still wouldn't jump to conclusions someone brought up a very interesting point about why it probably not lolicon-I'll quote it so you can read it if you already haven't.

Yeah, I read that after I posted. My sympathy is severely lacking for the guy now.

 

[masticina]

Odd Odd and Odder!

You never know just how severe these cases are. I mean sometimes it is just 14 year olds spreading nude pics through their phone to others... yes that is also child porn. Crazy teenagers...

Oh well the police knows, the lawyers know.. and maybe a Jury one day will know.

 

[Tiamat666]

apparently its fashionable and cool to find a way to defend pedophiles these days

Many people have strange turn-ons. Some people have a fetish for shoes, long hair, leather, the same sex or octopuses. The problem with people who are turned on by kids is that they create incentives for child abuse, which of course is a very serious problem because children are vulnerable. But this aside, I find pedophiles no different than other people with unusual sexual preferences. It's something people don't have any control over either. You are what you are. This is why I think that cartoony or fake child pornography should not be illegal, and that instead of sending people to jail, they should be sent to psychiatric evaluation to see if they form an actual danger for children or not.