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DoW Lowen

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The internet is a great place to vent and complain, I do it myself all the time. But I'm noticing quite a lot of problems, and I really should leave it alone but I have this little sharp buzzing in my eyebrows when I see the same things being repeated over and over again. So instead of addressing the individual I thought I'd just make a thread about.

Just because it's popular, doesn't mean it's crap are more prone to being crap.
I'm sorry but remakes are not always worse than the original. Coming first is not always better (pun intended), older does not mean better, it just means older which does not imply better or worse. Summer of the Seventeenth Doll is an old play but I'd still watch Wicked a hundred times over.
You should really differentiate between hating the actual thing and the kind of people you think would only like the movie. No seriously. It's speaks volumes about the ignorance and the false sense of self-importance you possess. Before you answer, consider whether you have a problem with the film or with the people.
"People think they're deep by liking it". A fair point, I've seen my share of those, but much of the same people who claim that statement are also the same people who think "Because I don't like it, I'm better". Allow me to clarify this statement - not liking something ONLY means that you don't like it. I analyze people for a living, it's my job, and a trick of the trade is yes you can actually tell a lot about a person from the kind of music, movies and books that they enjoy. But no, very little is actually understood about the person from what they do not enjoy. This is not the same as refusing to enjoy something, which is a very clear indicator of them being a douche.
'Hate' is such a strong word, and people throw it around far too often. Hate is an intense feeling of dislike, hate occurs when you wish something to be annihilated because it brings about such feelings of pain and unhappiness. Does a movie/game/actor/book really make you feel this way? I suppose I'm nitpicking, but hate is not a pleasant state of emotion at all, we shouldn't trivialize the word, but if you really do have an intense desire for the destruction of a media item, well... good on ya. But otherwise, for much the same reason you shouldn't type liKE dis 3vrytym u txt sum1, try to use words that more accurately depict your feelings for a movie such as - I did not enjoy it, I disliked it, I did not find it appealing etc. - honestly, it will make you all the better for it, it will increase emotional intelligence, it will better your vocabulary, increase articulation and overall improve verbal and written communication skills.
Things exist. Fucking deal with it. "Argh, I wish X never existed. The world would be a better place!" Oh really? Not even the TARDIS can travel between parallel dimensions without falling into a fucking void between space and time. How could you know that? Saying things like "it would be better if goes away, because EVERYONE hates X", lemme guess, the X you are referring to is something you considered overrated, with a really large fan base comprised of teenage ignoramus who have absolutely no understanding of what it is to be intelligent, cultural of appreciative of beauty aesthetically, conceptually or otherwise. This leads onto the next point...
People probably don't like what you like either. I know this is the internet and all, and you have your opinion, but ever notice many of the things people ***** about on here - Justin Bieber, Twilight, Transformers movies - are the things you really say on the internet and on a website where the population of those people are marginalized to the point of non-existence, things you would say to them in real life. Imagine meeting a stranger, and speaking with the same rabid, unashamed intensity you have when you're on the forums - "but it's the internet!" that's no excuse, just because everyone else is an asshole doesn't mean you should join in on the festivities.
Read these words carefully. It. Is. Okay. If. Someone. Doesn't. Like. Something. If you loved a movie and it helps you sleep better at night. Excellent, I'm genuinely happy for you. But are you losing sleep if the other person doesn't to? Your mileage may vary and you don't have to defend yourself all the time, which is why you should sometimes just leave things as they are.

Well this is my vain attempt to make the internet a better place. If I even have one person change re-evaluate the way they look at things, well I've done my job (and I didn't even get paid for it this time).

EDIT: Looking at the wall of text I really need to clean this up. Will get on that immediately.
EDIT 2: Should looker neater now.
 

MoNKeyYy

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Well I'm certainly glad someone said it. I applaud you for your rant sir. I've noticed more than enough of this on the internet and I agree. Especially the points about people not liking what you like, remakes not being automatically inferior to the original and popular stuff being crap.
 

TheComedown

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You do see the hypocrisy and irony (I'm not quite sure that's that right word for this, but you get the idea) in this post right?
 

DoW Lowen

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TheComedown said:
You do see the hypocrisy and irony (I'm not quite sure that's that right word for this, but you get the idea) in this post right?
Noted well before you mentioned it. But I was complaining about the way people complain, not the actual action itself. Unless there is something wrong with the way I'm complaining - also irony would be a better word than hypocrisy.
 

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Reason? On the internet? Sir, you must be mad!
Right there. By revealing it, you have doomed us all.

Good point, though. Shame nobody will realize and slap themselves in the face for a few minutes.
 

Krion_Vark

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tellmeimaninja said:
Reason? On the internet? Sir, you must be mad!
Well there are two things wrong with your statement
1) The internet is 100% reason
2) You have a reason for posting your comment (see number 1)

On another note. This is quite funny that its somethings that I have thought for a while but never really got unlazy enough to say
 

Eumersian

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Well done. *clappity-clappity*

I myself fall victim to a number of these. I use hate and other extremes very vainly. I occasionally am victim to the fourth bit about liking or not liking things for egotistical reasons. I also sometimes think in the "AARRGH I WISH 'X' NEVER EXISTED" tone of voice. Sorry.

That's not to say that I often say these things out loud. I just think them.
 

Katherine Kerensky

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Eh, you have quite a few good points, if not all of them.
I find it impossible to actually hate anything/anyone...
Well, except one thing, and that is my choice...
And it is that pure, disgusting thing known as hate, not just dislike >.>
Anyway, nice try, I hope it makes someone think differently <3
 

Monkfish Acc.

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I... I'm sorry. It just seems as if you have dedicated an entire thread to stating the obvious.
Or what should be obvious. I hope this is obvious.

Though I should note that "hate" has reached the point where tossing it about is hardly even hyperbole anymore. So yes. Very nitpicky.
It is a bit like bitching about "awesome". It is never going to go back to being as powerful as it was, there is nothing we can do now.
 

DoW Lowen

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Greyfox105 said:
Eh, you have quite a few good points, if not all of them.
I find it impossible to actually hate anything/anyone...
Well, except one thing, and that is my choice...
And it is that pure, disgusting thing known as hate, not just dislike >.>
Anyway, nice try, I hope it makes someone think differently <3
Thank you =)

But out of curiosity, and I hope you don't mind me asking, what is it you hate? If it's personal or you can't be bothered explaining, I'll more than understand. Emotional salience is just something that always tweaks my curiosity magnets is all.
 

enzilewulf

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Eh, stating the obvious. Yeah this place got problems with a lot of shit.. like how everyone is stuck in 80's and 90's music, but there is a lot of people who aren't. Actually this has site has changed a lot since I last got on. So I don'r really know any more but think of it like this, "Where not 4Chan".
 

DarthFennec

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I absolutely agree with you. I do see a lot of that here and it does get pretty annoying. Seriously, come on guys, we're better than this ...
 

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Everything that you said needed to be said. Unfortunately, people will always complain about trivial things.

You're so right about the word "hate." People need to understand that "hate" is a very serious word. The word "hate" does have its place, though; nonetheless, people misuse it. When people use "hate," they usually mean "dislike" or even "detest"; but not "hate."
 

SeanTheSheep

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A good set of points there, and here are my thoughts on them:
1) Very true, though things can jump the shark.
2) Remakes aren't necessarily worse than the original. But sadly, they often are, so people shouldn't judge it by its cover, but those that are worse, are worse.
3) Again true.
4) Quite obvious, but sadly necessary to point out. I'm curious about your job though...
5) True, and I'd like to cite the Plain White T's' song "Hate (I really really really don't like you)" Sadly it probably won't regain its prestige though.
6) True for the most part in context, but the exceptions to the rule, I would imagine are things like war, poverty, hate, crime, etc.
7) It's probably more akin to shouting in a rowdy crowd, but again, good point.
8) True, and once again obvious.

I do see a measure of hypocrisy here though, as you're calling for these things to end, and while you accept they probably won't, and just want to make a difference, there is still that small amount.
 

Nouw

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Aaah so now hate is over-used? Join the bandwagon that has epic and awesome in it. I really need to stop using the word awesome... as should you!
Since most people aren't where 'we' are (is this being elitist? Damn it subjective stuff makes my head hurt) I guess this couldn't hurt to be posted.
But there's something about your points that I just can't agree with. I don't know which one, I will be sure to think about it.
*Several seconds later
Aaaah it's the hypocrisy that I have a bone to pick with. Just your paragraph about things existing is basically dividing by 0. I know where you're coming from but if you truly believed that you need to accept that some things exist, I guess you could start with the people who can't accept that X exists. Of course I love to do exactly this but to an extent; we're all human. Just in different levels? I guess.

Trying to convince people otherwise by pointing out their mistakes and then doing it yourself aren't going to convince them.

Blatant points (which some people just don't get! *rips head off) which should stumble across some of those people. And isn't the internet about talking to complete strangers under anonymity and expressing your opinion? Once again, to an extent. <This only applies to the non-assholes right?

Feel free to quote me and point out mistakes, I'd love to learn more.
 

Tdc2182

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Relatively surprised that I agree with this.

Then again, all of these are points something that I've confronted people on (and stupidly got in trouble for).
 

Kakashi on crack

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When I use hate, I mean hate. Simple as that.

I'm a very negative person sometimes =D

I have to dissagree with you on the media vs. fans arguement though, as I feel your post makes it seem like it has to be one or the other. I personally see it as both in some cases, even if I try to discern it. It's sort of like when a smell makes you angry for no apparent reason, and the mere thought of it causes you to want to completely anihalate it! Just... With certain topics.

I complain, simple as that, but only when something actually bugs me. Otherwise, I consider it constructively arguing my point on the matter. Leading me to my next point...

Lowen, I completely agree with you that you can't make things go away, but there is a fine line... Viral videos such as the infamous 2G1C need to just dissapear completely. I'm sure there's other categories I can think of too if I put some time and effort into it.