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Burningsok

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silver wolf009 said:
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Makes perfect sense! Her point, not the law. That law makes absolutely no sense.

silver wolf009 said:
Just thought I'd let you know that you have the most addicting avatar in the world to watch.
yeah it kinda has that effect on people.
lol hes like "oooooooooooh lord."
 

x0ny

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In prostitution, the actual prostitute can be the victim being forced into prostitution against their will, that's why it's made illegal, to scare away potential clients and induce a decline in the industry so that the number of victims will hopefully be reduced.
 

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SonicKoala said:
Yeah, prostitution is fundamentally similar to pornography, but the number of risks that come with being a prostitute are far greater than those of being a porn star. Not to mention that people who do get into the porn industry have a choice in the matter, something that can't be said for the thousands of desperate women who are forced to turn to prostitution.

The idea suggested in the OP wouldn't, in anyway, alter or lessen the risks that are inherent in prostitution.
Which begs the question: Why be a hooker when you can be a (porn) star?
 

mrx19869

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ive always had the thought if ya gonna bang a prostitute bring a camera.. then its porn...
 

tmujir955

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Pimppeter2 said:
Anyways

Us Gov said:
"The United States government takes a firm stance against proposals to legalize prostitution because prostitution directly contributes to the modern-day slave trade and is inherently demeaning."
But it isn't demeaning in Nevada?
 

nicholaxxx

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because some of the money made from pornographies goes back to the government in the form of taxes.

this is not the case with prostitution.

there ya go.
 

laststandman

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Prostitution is also a lot harder to regulate than pornography in that when there are laws being broken about it, they are usually much worse
 

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Syntax Error said:
SonicKoala said:
Yeah, prostitution is fundamentally similar to pornography, but the number of risks that come with being a prostitute are far greater than those of being a porn star. Not to mention that people who do get into the porn industry have a choice in the matter, something that can't be said for the thousands of desperate women who are forced to turn to prostitution.

The idea suggested in the OP wouldn't, in anyway, alter or lessen the risks that are inherent in prostitution.
Which begs the question: Why be a hooker when you can be a (porn) star?
Haha, that's a great question. I'd suggest that it has something to do with the slightly (big emphasis on the "slightly") higher requirements for the girls in terms of looks.... then again, I've seen a lot of porn featuring women that I'd rather never look at again. And from what I've seen in documentaries and the like, porn stars have to do some pretty horrific and degrading things before they "make it big".... and even then, there's still a lot expected of them, but it just seems like they get a little bit more say in the matter. Either way, when you look at it objectively, neither career seems very desirable... at all.
 

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In the UK, at least, it is legal for prostitutes to practice but not in brothels (meaning in the same building as two other sex workers). Apparently, it's to prevent exploitation, but all it does is force the workers out onto the streets where they're far less safe.

Law doesn't have to make sense, all it needs to do is not offend the tabloids. (And, yes, I'm doing what I can to protest laws which don't make sense wherever I can.)
 

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Sightless Wisdom said:
Well I live in Canada. Prostitution is legal here...In the case of U.S I say your laws are confused and a little bit ironic.
Likewise. Both disgust me in any case.
 

CrysisMcGee

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I made this argument a while back myself. The reason porn is legal is because it's a closed system, which remains very safe and makes it quite easy to keep out disease. They aren't allowed to have sex outside of work or with a spouse.

It's a great money maker as well, and the government loves their tax dollars. Oddly enough, We can thank Larry Flynt for making porn legal.

Now somebody needs to prove brothels can be safe. Though based on what I've heard about how they treat prostitutes in Nevada, it may remain illegal for a while.

Canada legalized prostitution, and pretty much Marijuana.
You know, I'm thinking of moving to Canada. The only reason I don't is because I hate the cold. So maybe I'll have a summer home there.
 

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cakitty said:
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If an actress has a real sex scene and not a simulated one, then she is making a porno, right? What differentiates the movie with sex in it from a porno? (plot? or lack there of?)
Welcome!

And I've never heard of a case where a movie that appeared in the same theaters you can watch a Disney movie had a real life sex scene in it. It's all simulated if I am very, very much mistake. If I am my view of the majority of Hollywood actresses...hasn't changed one bit.

At the beginning of the Antichrist movie, there is indeed REAL, actual, non-simulated sex.
Also the movie Original Sin, which even if it is simulated, I don't see how. Maybe they have sex before hand to relieve the tension.
 

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Therumancer said:
When it comes to Canada (and other nations) with legalized prostitution, one has to consider that even the most free of these nations do not have the same level of freedoms and protections as the USA which makes things somewhat easier.
Come again? America has more laws and regulation than any other country in the World. You could argue that these laws are potentially protecting freedoms, rather than reducing them, but then again, America also has the largest prison population in the World. Granted, there are probably many social, cultural and economic reasons for this being the case, so it would be unjust for me to attribute America's crime problems entirely to its legal system.

America does not necessarily have more freedoms and protection than a lot of countries. It is far too complicated to try and measure individual countries for this kind of thing (though there are surveyors who try). Just citing individual examples like "Canadian blank warrants" will not do. As it happens, the one legal issue that bothers me the most in my own country (the UK) is libel. In the UK, libel laws are extremely strict - to the point where celebrities (the most recent notable case being Tiger Woods) can hang out in the UK just to prevent more severely negative press. Of all the legal issues in the UK, I think this is the most serious, as it runs the risk of crippling freedom of the press.

It's also noteworthy that the US's system which FUNCTIONS on a principle of "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" in criminal matters is very unusual. It gives criminals a lot more rights. and ties the hands of the goverment a lot more, than most other nations including very free ones that are similar to the US. Some other nations use the same terminology but in practice typically operate more on a system relying on a "preponderance of evidence" (which is a lower standard in the US used for civil matters). That is to say that if it's very likely someone is guilty in other nations like Canada he will be convited. In the US simply being very likely is not enough.
As far as I know, UK courts are required to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" and that juries must be "sure of guilt". Returning to the nature of "freedoms and protections", one could argue that granting courts the ability to convict someone based on the preponderance of evidence allows for more convictions of likely criminals, thus taking dangerous criminals of the street. One has to balance this with the potential danger of a miscarriage of justice (i.e. convicting someone who looks like the likely perpertrator, when in fact they are innocent and just in the wrong place at the wrong time). Does the system protect enough people to outweigh the potential damage to freedom? The issue is too complex to discus within the scope of this kind of thread.
However overall, I think those systems are a lot more likely to throw innocent people in jail. The basic attitude in the US being that we'd rather let a guilty person go free, than see an innocent punished. In Canada and the UK they tend to be content with simply making sure they get it right the majority of the time.
That comes across as a gross generalisation, and as far as I know, isn't the slightest bit accurate.
 

Sightless Wisdom

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Eggsnham said:
Sightless Wisdom said:
Well I live in Canada. Prostitution is legal here...In the case of U.S I say your laws are confused and a little bit ironic.
Canada really is quite awesome despite what some people would have you believe. I heard they're even thinking about legalizing the green over there, care to specify?
Well there are definitely a lot of people thinking about it. Whether or not it'll happen soon...who knows? But the government stands to make a hell of a lot of money selling and taxing it if they do legalize it.
 

Ravenbom

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Both people get paid in pr0nz. One person gets paid in prostitution.

Also, prostitution is legal in some areas such as in Nevada.

Also, have you been on Craigslist in a major metropolitan area? It's basically legalized prostitution and (I forgot what it was called in GTAIV, Craplist?) GTAIV mad fun of it being a place for legalized prostitution.
 

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aseelt said:
Actually I thought of something else. The legal age of consent is 16 in the UK, but 18 for watching porn.

So sex with your eyes closed then? And then no prostitution/pseudo porno vids for you.
This is something I've thought about before...
Considering I'm now legal to have sex, you would think I'd be able to also see other people having sex via video. But this isn't the case? It's peculiar.

OT: very good point... I've always thought of porn stars as glorified prostitutes...
 

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Sightless Wisdom said:
Eggsnham said:
Sightless Wisdom said:
Well I live in Canada. Prostitution is legal here...In the case of U.S I say your laws are confused and a little bit ironic.
Canada really is quite awesome despite what some people would have you believe. I heard they're even thinking about legalizing the green over there, care to specify?
Well there are definitely a lot of people thinking about it. Whether or not it'll happen soon...who knows? But the government stands to make a hell of a lot of money selling and taxing it if they do legalize it.
I see, well it's more than the uphill battle for weed legalization here in the states.
 

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There are a couple of distinctions here I believe. The biggest I believe would be the level of government. Porn is distributed nationally, putting it in the realm of interstate commerce, therefore federal. Prostitution would not be on an interstate basis, therefore governed by state and local laws.
Second, with porn they are more being paid for being filmed. That being said, it would be an interesting court argument for someone to say that they were paying a women to appear in his independent film that featured him having sex with the women.
Really it all matters on the exact wording of the law.
 

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canadamus_prime said:
Sightless Wisdom said:
Well I live in Canada. Prostitution is legal here...In the case of U.S I say your laws are confused and a little bit ironic.
Likewise. Both disgust me in any case.
Porn disgusts you? Congrats on being in an extreme minority.

Being disgusted with certain types of porn is normal (2 Girls 1 Cup anyone?), being disgusted with all porn is...'uncommon'.