Prove Your Existence!

Selvalros

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joystickjunki3 said:
Selvalros said:
joystickjunki3 said:
You're soooo philosophical. It blows my mind.

Do I exist? I can't prove it to anyone but myself. And is that really proving it?
Proof enough if no one else exists.
Touche. But what's an existence w/o purpose? Especially if you believe one can only have purpose if others rely on you.

EDIT: I suppose I phrased that incorrectly, but I'm not sure how else to put it.
I see what you are getting at but I don't understand why you believe that we must have a purpose in order to exist. Maybe our purpose is simply to exist and to experience, even if the world we exist in and the experiences we have aren't *real*. But then again, if you really want to analyze this question deeply you need to start by asking what exactly counts as *real*. When nothing is real doesn't that in and of itself qualify everything as real? I am of course assuming that we exist in a void outside of our perceived reality.
 

joystickjunki3

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Selvalros said:
joystickjunki3 said:
Selvalros said:
joystickjunki3 said:
You're soooo philosophical. It blows my mind.

Do I exist? I can't prove it to anyone but myself. And is that really proving it?
Proof enough if no one else exists.
Touche. But what's an existence w/o purpose? Especially if you believe one can only have purpose if others rely on you.

EDIT: I suppose I phrased that incorrectly, but I'm not sure how else to put it.
I see what you are getting at but I don't understand why you believe that we must have a purpose in order to exist. Maybe our purpose is simply to exist and to experience, even if the world we exist in and the experiences we have aren't *real*. But then again, if you really want to analyze this question deeply you need to start by asking what exactly counts as *real*. When nothing is real doesn't that in and of itself qualify everything as real? I am of course assuming that we exist in a void outside of our perceived reality.
And I've understood that life philosophy for a while as well.

The way I see it, if you don't experience and learn, then you never really existed in the first place. Because what you really are only consists of your memories and the memories of you from those around you. Physical existence is fleeting.

And I don't necessarily believe that we must have a purpose in order to exist, I was more trying to say that existence is somewhat meaningless w/o a purpose. I sort of half believe that, but not completely by any means.
 

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The only evidence is that it is intuitively obvious but since intuition is no proof then there is no concrete evidence for our existence.
 

Selvalros

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joystickjunki3 said:
Selvalros said:
joystickjunki3 said:
Selvalros said:
joystickjunki3 said:
You're soooo philosophical. It blows my mind.

Do I exist? I can't prove it to anyone but myself. And is that really proving it?
Proof enough if no one else exists.
Touche. But what's an existence w/o purpose? Especially if you believe one can only have purpose if others rely on you.

EDIT: I suppose I phrased that incorrectly, but I'm not sure how else to put it.
I see what you are getting at but I don't understand why you believe that we must have a purpose in order to exist. Maybe our purpose is simply to exist and to experience, even if the world we exist in and the experiences we have aren't *real*. But then again, if you really want to analyze this question deeply you need to start by asking what exactly counts as *real*. When nothing is real doesn't that in and of itself qualify everything as real? I am of course assuming that we exist in a void outside of our perceived reality.
And I've understood that life philosophy for a while as well.

The way I see it, if you don't experience and learn, then you never really existed in the first place. Because what you really are only consists of your memories and the memories of you from those around you. Physical existence is fleeting.

And I don't necessarily believe that we must have a purpose in order to exist, I was more trying to say that existence is somewhat meaningless w/o a purpose. I sort of half believe that, but not completely by any means.
I pretty much agree with you. If you don't seek to gain experience, knowledge, and a sense of understanding of the world than there is little purpose in being in it. Sure, one can say that they live for their children or their spouse but when they realize just how fleeting the physical is than they seem to get uneasy and they choose to ignore the reality of things. When one bases everything that they live for on impermanent things than they are merely setting themselves up for a great deal of disappointment. Everyone around you will eventually fade away whether you like it or not and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.

I personally base my existence on bettering myself in what ever way I can. I seek knowledge and wisdom because I personally find that as one gets wiser life gets more satisfying. However, I realize that everyone creates their own purpose so I ask you, what is yours?
 

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If I didn't exist I couldn't read this.


Though when I read old writings of mine that I know for a fact that I wrote but can't remember writing...things get weird.
 

joystickjunki3

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Selvalros said:
joystickjunki3 said:
Selvalros said:
joystickjunki3 said:
Selvalros said:
joystickjunki3 said:
You're soooo philosophical. It blows my mind.

Do I exist? I can't prove it to anyone but myself. And is that really proving it?
Proof enough if no one else exists.
Touche. But what's an existence w/o purpose? Especially if you believe one can only have purpose if others rely on you.

EDIT: I suppose I phrased that incorrectly, but I'm not sure how else to put it.
I see what you are getting at but I don't understand why you believe that we must have a purpose in order to exist. Maybe our purpose is simply to exist and to experience, even if the world we exist in and the experiences we have aren't *real*. But then again, if you really want to analyze this question deeply you need to start by asking what exactly counts as *real*. When nothing is real doesn't that in and of itself qualify everything as real? I am of course assuming that we exist in a void outside of our perceived reality.
And I've understood that life philosophy for a while as well.

The way I see it, if you don't experience and learn, then you never really existed in the first place. Because what you really are only consists of your memories and the memories of you from those around you. Physical existence is fleeting.

And I don't necessarily believe that we must have a purpose in order to exist, I was more trying to say that existence is somewhat meaningless w/o a purpose. I sort of half believe that, but not completely by any means.
I pretty much agree with you. If you don't seek to gain experience, knowledge, and a sense of understanding of the world than there is little purpose in being in it. Sure, one can say that they live for their children or their spouse but when they realize just how fleeting the physical is than they seem to get uneasy and they choose to ignore the reality of things. When one bases everything that they live for on impermanent things than they are merely setting themselves up for a great deal of disappointment. Everyone around you will eventually fade away whether you like it or not and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.

I personally base my existence on bettering myself in what ever way I can. I seek knowledge and wisdom because I personally find that as one gets wiser life gets more satisfying. However, I realize that everyone creates their own purpose so I ask you, what is yours?
To find a purpose... it's a vicious cycle.
 

Citrus

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The concept of existence is man-made, and to its definition I fit all the requirements to exist.
 

Selvalros

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joystickjunki3 said:
Selvalros said:
joystickjunki3 said:
Selvalros said:
joystickjunki3 said:
Selvalros said:
joystickjunki3 said:
You're soooo philosophical. It blows my mind.

Do I exist? I can't prove it to anyone but myself. And is that really proving it?
Proof enough if no one else exists.
Touche. But what's an existence w/o purpose? Especially if you believe one can only have purpose if others rely on you.

EDIT: I suppose I phrased that incorrectly, but I'm not sure how else to put it.
I see what you are getting at but I don't understand why you believe that we must have a purpose in order to exist. Maybe our purpose is simply to exist and to experience, even if the world we exist in and the experiences we have aren't *real*. But then again, if you really want to analyze this question deeply you need to start by asking what exactly counts as *real*. When nothing is real doesn't that in and of itself qualify everything as real? I am of course assuming that we exist in a void outside of our perceived reality.
And I've understood that life philosophy for a while as well.

The way I see it, if you don't experience and learn, then you never really existed in the first place. Because what you really are only consists of your memories and the memories of you from those around you. Physical existence is fleeting.

And I don't necessarily believe that we must have a purpose in order to exist, I was more trying to say that existence is somewhat meaningless w/o a purpose. I sort of half believe that, but not completely by any means.
I pretty much agree with you. If you don't seek to gain experience, knowledge, and a sense of understanding of the world than there is little purpose in being in it. Sure, one can say that they live for their children or their spouse but when they realize just how fleeting the physical is than they seem to get uneasy and they choose to ignore the reality of things. When one bases everything that they live for on impermanent things than they are merely setting themselves up for a great deal of disappointment. Everyone around you will eventually fade away whether you like it or not and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.

I personally base my existence on bettering myself in what ever way I can. I seek knowledge and wisdom because I personally find that as one gets wiser life gets more satisfying. However, I realize that everyone creates their own purpose so I ask you, what is yours?
To find a purpose... it's a vicious cycle.
Ya... I can see that taking a while. My only suggestion is to keep an open mind. I find that a lot of people tend to look for overly elaborate explanations for their existence when, in reality, it is often quite simple. Attempting to look at life from the perspective of something such as a divine being (why did God create life) is a daunting task that simply can not be rationally and reasonable accomplished.
 

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I will do the reverse by doubting my own existance.. oh dear it seems that to doubt my own existance wouldn't be possible if I didn't already exist and thus logically I must assume myself to exist.

Aslo I think therefore I am requires an additional statment that thinking is a property of existance
 

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Selvalros said:
Ya... I can see that taking a while. My only suggestion is to keep an open mind. I find that a lot of people tend to look for overly elaborate explanations for their existence when, in reality, it is often quite simple. Attempting to look at life from the perspective of something such as a divine being (why did God create life) is a daunting task that simply can not be rationally and reasonable accomplished.
Yeah, I think that it's basically an insurmountable task, so I don't plan on devoting too much time to it. I think I'd be happier just enjoying life and hopefully starting a family.