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Fearzone

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Realitycrash said:
Fearzone said:
I suppose you can ask me a question that you can't possibly know, and if I can answer it correctly, that is strong evidence of my otherness.
The solipcist can just argue that since everything is part of him, he already knew the answer, he just didn't remember it.
Okay, so the solipcist scoops two big handfuls of coins and drops them in a jar. He asks me how many coins are in the jar. I count them with my back turned, so he cannot see me counting, and give him the answer. He then counts then, and arrives at the number I gave him. Wouldn't that suggest my existence outside of his? How can there logically not be separate presence, in this case?
 

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Fearzone said:
Realitycrash said:
Fearzone said:
I suppose you can ask me a question that you can't possibly know, and if I can answer it correctly, that is strong evidence of my otherness.
The solipcist can just argue that since everything is part of him, he already knew the answer, he just didn't remember it.
Okay, so the solipcist scoops two big handfuls of coins and drops them in a jar. He asks me how many coins are in the jar. I count them with my back turned, so he cannot see me counting, and give him the answer. He then counts then, and arrives at the number I gave him. Wouldn't that suggest my existence outside of his? How can there logically not be separate presence, in this case?
You might just be a different part of him, not a separate presence. No matter what question you ask or what truth you claim there is, he can just keep believing that this truth is something he already know (for you is he), or that it is something he is just making up right now.
You can suggest all you want, it isn't going to prove anything to him.
 

Orinon

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I don't need to prove if I'm real or not
I Kill therefore I AM

or I think therefore I am
 

Cpu46

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Realitycrash said:
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Untrue. There is no fact backing up that I can't imagine things I have not experienced. I have never met a mermaid, yet I can imagine one. I can imagine a pigmaid (that's an antromorph-pig with mermaid fin), and I have never even seen one in a cartoon.
Dreams and Imagination are driven by memory. If the core pieces are not in your memory then you can not imagine a phenomena that requires those pieces. You may have never met a mermaid, yet you have seen a woman and a fish as well as depictions of mermaids. You can imagine a pigmaid similarly, you have seen a fish and you have seen a pig and your brain can put that togeather. Really at this point in life there is little that you can't dream about since you have experienced so much. However like I stated in my original post people blind since birth or infancy don't imagine or dream in images and color.
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One can imagine almost everything, and construct it from previous things you have experienced, even if they are not the exactly what you experienced before.
... Thats exactly my point.
4th sentence from my original post said:
The form and construction of the experiences may be new and even outlandish, but everything is based off of a real interaction.
 

Fearzone

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Realitycrash said:
You might just be a different part of him, not a separate presence. No matter what question you ask or what truth you claim there is, he can just keep believing that this truth is something he already know (for you is he), or that it is something he is just making up right now.
You can suggest all you want, it isn't going to prove anything to him.
If he won't submit to logic, then proof is irrelevant. But proving my existence was what was asked for, so it isn't irrelevant.

Take my counting coins example from above. It is possible to have a dream where those exact events occur in the dream while one is asleep. So, that might not totally prove my existence, but it does prove a knowledge outside of his self--in the case of the dream it is subconscious reasoning, so the solipsist is force to admit that what he knows as his self is not alone--that there is at least one other thinking presence, which if I identify as "me", and give him my name, I cannot see why he ought not to accept it.

Any knowledge outside the self demonstrates a thinking presence outside the self.
 

Robert Ewing

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I'm just a poor boy, from a poor family, sparing my life from various monstrosities.

I'm kind of easy come, easy go. But Bismillah won't bloody let me go.
 

Some_weirdGuy

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Easy way to find out. Incapacitate your ability to imagine in one way or another, and see if we're all still here.
 

Kyoufuu

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How am I meant to know YOU exist? Why should I answer someone I'm not even sure exists?
 

Sprinal

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I think therefore I am..

But relative to you. I can't physically actually prove it.
 

Animyr

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Descartes, etc. If my existance is a deception and I'm really a hapless figment of someone else's imagination or something, I have to exist to be decieved. And somebody has a really active imagination.
 

Dunkerloop

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I'd say "I think, therefor I am", but these days spambots are getting smarter so that no longer applies.
Hmm, I guess it is pretty hard to prove that I exist. Not really.
 

milna64

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God I HATE this type of question. Because you CAN'T prove you are real, or that anything else is real. You just have to assume it to be able to derive anything of meaning in life. If at any time in an arguement someone says "Ahh but how can you prove that anything is real?" that argument is immediately over.
 

Aprilgold

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I'll punch you in the face, and then we'll see hows real here PAL! *End Exaggeration*

But yeah, pain is the only way to prove my existence since when did figments hurt so god damn much?

Either that or poking you...
 

Csae

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I proved my existence by creation.
I create works, things you could not.

The real question, is do YOU exist?
 

Phisi

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It's kinda impossible as you could be imagining all of us... or I could be imagining all of you :O so yeah, we are going to be here a while but in the mean time you might want to follow the rules of your imagination or you will end up being in an imaginary prison.