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Right then. So I was recently reading an article titled, 5 Ways Modern Men are Trained to Hate Women http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html. Obviously, this is a touchy subject, and I expected the worst when I dived into the comments section.
While there I came across the expected comment thread about the patriarchy which oppresses women in society. One of the strangest comments came from someone (presumably female) who said it was a sign of the oppression that victims of rape had the responsibility to prove it. I thought that the whole point of the justice system was innocent until proven guilty: if someone doesn't have evidence of wrong-doing, and the police can't find any, then you must assume that it didn't happen, and that the defendant (if there is one) is innocent of the charges.
Am I misunderstanding this? Is there anyone is Escapistville who can help me figure out what she was saying? And for discussion's sake, should the burden of proof be on the victim in cases like this?
EDIT: For those looking for the original comment, here it is from user skh269 (I'll put the whole thing to provide context, and bold the part that started this thread):
The main problem I see in your argument is that sexism directed at men is in some way on the same level as the patriarchy that is the current day norm. I often see this argument in conversations about sexism toward women as a way to derail the conversation and make women instead discuss the true reality of the discrimination. Most of the time when a man cries sexism it is in response to a move to reduce their privilege. You may think that you are being diplomatic, but to compare the centuries of sexism toward women, a sexism that sees rape as something a victim must prove, which sees women's health being played with as a political agenda to a woman calling a man a dick, or some other slam (which in all honesty I cannot think of many things to call a man in a sexist way) is foolish.
Also your complaint that women expect too much of men can be viewed in all the articles bemoaning the feminist movement. SO a woman wants a partner that can carry his own share, be respectful to her? OUTRAGEOUS!
We don't need the article presenting the masculine point as we live it everyday. I get to hear that women today want to many things. Most of the time this is from men who don't know how to maintain their masculinity if a woman is not completely dependent on them. It is sad that I am sure your protest to be empathetic toward women, when really your entire comment is in relation to how it effects you and the dominant privileged. You are quite possibly more dangerous than the blatant woman hater.
Equality would be all fine in dandy in this article if things were truly equal.
Also to say "but there are also trends that push women to hate men or to expect too much from them and presenting the article in this way trivializes that." makes it seem like just another excuse to treat women. Please see #1-5.
Right then. So I was recently reading an article titled, 5 Ways Modern Men are Trained to Hate Women http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html. Obviously, this is a touchy subject, and I expected the worst when I dived into the comments section.
While there I came across the expected comment thread about the patriarchy which oppresses women in society. One of the strangest comments came from someone (presumably female) who said it was a sign of the oppression that victims of rape had the responsibility to prove it. I thought that the whole point of the justice system was innocent until proven guilty: if someone doesn't have evidence of wrong-doing, and the police can't find any, then you must assume that it didn't happen, and that the defendant (if there is one) is innocent of the charges.
Am I misunderstanding this? Is there anyone is Escapistville who can help me figure out what she was saying? And for discussion's sake, should the burden of proof be on the victim in cases like this?
EDIT: For those looking for the original comment, here it is from user skh269 (I'll put the whole thing to provide context, and bold the part that started this thread):
The main problem I see in your argument is that sexism directed at men is in some way on the same level as the patriarchy that is the current day norm. I often see this argument in conversations about sexism toward women as a way to derail the conversation and make women instead discuss the true reality of the discrimination. Most of the time when a man cries sexism it is in response to a move to reduce their privilege. You may think that you are being diplomatic, but to compare the centuries of sexism toward women, a sexism that sees rape as something a victim must prove, which sees women's health being played with as a political agenda to a woman calling a man a dick, or some other slam (which in all honesty I cannot think of many things to call a man in a sexist way) is foolish.
Also your complaint that women expect too much of men can be viewed in all the articles bemoaning the feminist movement. SO a woman wants a partner that can carry his own share, be respectful to her? OUTRAGEOUS!
We don't need the article presenting the masculine point as we live it everyday. I get to hear that women today want to many things. Most of the time this is from men who don't know how to maintain their masculinity if a woman is not completely dependent on them. It is sad that I am sure your protest to be empathetic toward women, when really your entire comment is in relation to how it effects you and the dominant privileged. You are quite possibly more dangerous than the blatant woman hater.
Equality would be all fine in dandy in this article if things were truly equal.
Also to say "but there are also trends that push women to hate men or to expect too much from them and presenting the article in this way trivializes that." makes it seem like just another excuse to treat women. Please see #1-5.
