I have not played a Playstation console since the PS2 so I'm going with that one. There are a couple of games I've wanted to play on the PS3 and 4, but not enough to make me want to spend the money on the console and now I can't afford it anyway.
To say the PS4 and Xbone were sold on a hotbed of lies is such an exaggeration. The 1st PS4 game I played was Watch Dogs and to get PS3 Uncharted-level graphics (probably even better than Uncharted) in an open world game is quite a leap forward. Do you not recall the gimped last-gen versions of Watch Dogs, Shadow of Mordor, and Dragon Age? We're going to get smaller (less noticeable) jumps forward in graphics because we're at the point of diminishing returns. The Order may have the most polygons per square inch or something like that but on other technical levels, I'm guessing it doesn't do much because there's very little dynamics going in such small and static levels. The biggest "jump" with regards to what these new systems can do is that consoles finally got some RAM; devs had to work with 256MB (MEGABYTES!!!) on the PS3. Also moving to an x86 architecture along with the RAM is probably the main reason PS4 has gotten so many PC games that consoles have never gotten in the past. The fact that I can play just about any PC game that would've been a PC-only game on PS4 is pretty awesome, not what Sony advertised but still quite awesome. PC gamers should be more disappointed in graphics than anyone because where's today's Crysis that pushes PC hardware and graphics? Pretty much all the PC exclusive games aren't close to the graphics you'd find in a PS4 exclusive game and PC gamers are just left with playing console games at higher resolutions and framerates while a PC without a video card could probably run most of PC's best exclusives (for example, I play Divinity Original Sin without a video card). Lastly, if you're complaining about gameplay not changing much, that's to blame on the developers as it's kinda hard to blame the hardware manufacturer for shitty software. And, again, some of the best gameplay of this gen hasn't required the forward push in graphics because gameplay isn't really dependent on graphics.Silentpony said:Bull. Uncharted 4s map was as big as Just Cause 2's map, no bigger.
And yeah, HZD had big monsters. So did Shadow of War and Shadow of the Colossus. And Horizon isn't even the most impressive game, graphics wise. That still goes to the phenomenally boring Order: 1886
Silentpony said:Bull. Uncharted 4s map was as big as Just Cause 2's map, no bigger.hanselthecaretaker said:Uncharted 4/Lost Legacy both had maps far larger than any of the PS3 games, and used real time cutscenes vs pre-rendered that masked load times of very linear levels on PS3.Silentpony said:For its time? As in 'back when' probably the PS2. Huge library, with some very strong games in every genre, and lots of 3rd party support. Having said that I think some of the games probably haven't aged as well as we'd all like to think they have.
PS3 was also very strong, but didn't have many standout games that weren't also on every other console and graphing calculator.
PS4, as with the Xbone, I'm on record believing were out and out scams, sold on a hotbed of lies, false promises and backpeddling, and only a complete apology for this new Gen and free backwards compatibility will make up for it. Having said that, all the lies aside, some current era games are pretty good. But not one of them couldn't have been on a PS3 with a software update.
PS1 I've completely forgotten about...
Horizon Zero Dawn is far beyond what could?ve been done on PS3. At the very least they would have had to cut corners to the point of making a square a circle. It would?ve been like how God of War1/2 faked the titans? sense of scale vs how 3 made them fully rendered character models. Between the expansive map, dynamic destruction, and the detail involved in making those machines, [https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/296493/Making_Horizon_Zero_Dawns_Machines_feel_like_living_creatures.php] Horizon is probably the most technically impressive game yet this generation.
And yeah, HZD had big monsters. So did Shadow of War and Shadow of the Colossus. And Horizon isn't even the most impressive game, graphics wise. That still goes to the phenomenally boring Order: 1886
None. Not a single console game I have or have seen has justified the new hardware. I have Bloodborne, Doom, DA: Inquisition, the Sexy Brutale, Borderlands Collection, TitanFall 2, Ghost Recon Wildlands, Horizon Zero Dawn, Little Nightmares and the Bioshock collection.hanselthecaretaker said:What was the last game that really push boundaries or legitimized the need for newer hardware in your opinion, just curious?
Oh please. Remember all the mandatory gimmicks and addons that suddenly were no longer mandatory after launch? Remember all the gameplay trailers about how much the new consoles utilized the new hardware, only to find out those were the PC versions and the consoles were no better than the PS3 era.Phoenixmgs said:SNIP
What gimmicks and add-ons? The Xbone had the stupid Kinect and the TV stuff but everyone knew that stuff was dumb; it can do everything your Smart-TV already does!!! Although the HDMI-in can be pretty useful. Sony just advertised the PS4 as nothing but a system that plays games, it couldn't even play a MP3 on release in fact. What gameplay enhancing gimmicks and add-ons were advertised (outside the Kinect that was already a 360 add-on)? Nintendo is the one that pushes gameplay gimmicks to the detriment of gameplay.Silentpony said:Oh please. Remember all the mandatory gimmicks and addons that suddenly were no longer mandatory after launch? Remember all the gameplay trailers about how much the new consoles utilized the new hardware, only to find out those were the PC versions and the consoles were no better than the PS3 era.
Or what about the improved gameplay and new IPs? Only to have tired retreads, needless sequels and more remakes than JJ Abrams' studio! I mean Horizon Zero Dawn is arguably the most original IP out there, and its just any other Sand Box with the Dinobots scattered about.
Silentpony said:None. Not a single console game I have or have seen has justified the new hardware. I have Bloodborne, Doom, DA: Inquisition, the Sexy Brutale, Borderlands Collection, TitanFall 2, Ghost Recon Wildlands, Horizon Zero Dawn, Little Nightmares and the Bioshock collection.hanselthecaretaker said:What was the last game that really push boundaries or legitimized the need for newer hardware in your opinion, just curious?
Half of those are on the old gen consoles already, and the other half look exactly like the should be.
I can't tell the difference grpahics, FPS or gameplay wise between Shadow of Mordor and Horizon Zero dawn. Skyrim looks just as visually stunning and glistening as Doom ever did. Titanfall 2 can't hold a candle to Halo Reach, either in story, gameplay, AI path-finding(And halo is notoriously bad) or graphics. Wildlands is fun, but the graphics aren't any better than Just Cause 2.
Oh please. Remember all the mandatory gimmicks and addons that suddenly were no longer mandatory after launch? Remember all the gameplay trailers about how much the new consoles utilized the new hardware, only to find out those were the PC versions and the consoles were no better than the PS3 era.Phoenixmgs said:SNIP
Or what about the improved gameplay and new IPs? Only to have tired retreads, needless sequels and more remakes than JJ Abrams' studio! I mean Horizon Zero Dawn is arguably the most original IP out there, and its just any other Sand Box with the Dinobots scattered about.
And is that change worth $400 to you, 'cause it sure as shit isn't to me! That's they type of change worth about $60 for a single new title on the current system, not an entirely new system with little-to-no backwards compatibility plus the price of the game itself.hanselthecaretaker said:
apparently this deserves a thunderous applause.Phoenixmgs said:Sony just advertised the PS4 as nothing but a system that plays games, it couldn't even play a MP3 on release in fact. What gameplay enhancing gimmicks and add-ons were advertised .
Silentpony said:And is that change worth $400 to you, 'cause it sure as shit isn't to me! That's they type of change worth about $60 for a single new title on the current system, not an entirely new system with little-to-no backwards compatibility plus the price of the game itself.hanselthecaretaker said:
And for this I'm assuming you got the game for free, and didn't actually spend $399.99 and $59.99 all plus tax for that
The main point of new consoles of any gen is basically you can play all the new games for 5+ years. If you still had last-gen consoles, you couldn't play really any of the new games regardless if they could be done on that hardware. Even then some stuff does have to be rather gimped to work on PS3/360 as shown by the early games this gen that released on last-gen systems. Outside of the jump to 3D, there's not much gameplay evolution that occurs due to hardware itself as most gameplay innovations come from the indie scene. Games looking better is an aspect lots of people do care about. Most games, even today, could be done on PS2 hardware with the graphics turned down a lot but is that really acceptable to most gamers even if they aren't graphic whores. I remember when a hand having fingers was great graphics on PS2. I want better looking games than that even if the gameplay could be done on PS2.Silentpony said:And is that change worth $400 to you, 'cause it sure as shit isn't to me! That's they type of change worth about $60 for a single new title on the current system, not an entirely new system with little-to-no backwards compatibility plus the price of the game itself.hanselthecaretaker said:
And for this I'm assuming you got the game for free, and didn't actually spend $399.99 and $59.99 all plus tax for that
I know you just live in Nintendo Land, but that was just Sony mocking Microsoft about the online DRM bullshit they tried to pull.Yoshi178 said:apparently this deserves a thunderous applause.Phoenixmgs said:Sony just advertised the PS4 as nothing but a system that plays games, it couldn't even play a MP3 on release in fact. What gameplay enhancing gimmicks and add-ons were advertised .
First off I didn't buy my PS4, it was a gift. Second I didn't buy my Xbox 360, it was left by my roomate who didn't want it.hanselthecaretaker said:SNIP
This thread is about Sony. not Nintendo.Phoenixmgs said:I know you just live in Nintendo Land, but that was just Sony mocking Microsoft about the online DRM bullshit they tried to pull.Yoshi178 said:apparently this deserves a thunderous applause.Phoenixmgs said:Sony just advertised the PS4 as nothing but a system that plays games, it couldn't even play a MP3 on release in fact. What gameplay enhancing gimmicks and add-ons were advertised .
You originally stated you didn't seen any difference in 7th gen>8th gen graphics, and I pointed out the most basic remaster example of how that is false. The differences are only more prominent on actual 8th gen titles.Silentpony said:First off I didn't buy my PS4, it was a gift. Second I didn't buy my Xbox 360, it was left by my roomate who didn't want it.hanselthecaretaker said:SNIP
And I'm not arguing that new gen consoles aren't for upgrades, they most certainly are, but they're for noticeable, actual upgrades.
Check it:
That change up? $200 on launch, Mario 64 is free.
Compared to yours
That change up was $460+
Which do you think was the better deal?
Since you're wondering, the first. Also since you asked what I think would have been worth $460+ for next gen, how about full VR. Like a .Hack// game. And no, not a shitty RPG .Hack//, an actual fully realized virtual reality world, indistinguishable from the Holodeck or Matrix. What's that new movie, Player 1? Yeah, that. What they have in that movie, the fully realized virtual world with sight, sound, touch, smell, etc...
THAT is worth almost $500 a person and worth the change over. Putting dirt and dimming the lights on Nathan Drake? I wouldn't even pay $20 for that.
Again, at what other console gen was there an equivalent leap in gameplay from 2D to 3D? An open world game at a greater graphical fidelity than Uncharted on PS3 is quite a leap forward in graphics. Is Super Mario Odyssey anymore than a better looking and bigger Super Mario 64?Silentpony said:And I'm not arguing that new gen consoles aren't for upgrades, they most certainly are, but they're for noticeable, actual upgrades.
Check it:
That change up? $200 on launch, Mario 64 is free.
Since you're wondering, the first. Also since you asked what I think would have been worth $460+ for next gen, how about full VR. Like a .Hack// game. And no, not a shitty RPG .Hack//, an actual fully realized virtual reality world, indistinguishable from the Holodeck or Matrix. What's that new movie, Player 1? Yeah, that. What they have in that movie, the fully realized virtual world with sight, sound, touch, smell, etc...
THAT is worth almost $500 a person and worth the change over. Putting dirt and dimming the lights on Nathan Drake? I wouldn't even pay $20 for that.
Did you not remember why Sony was able to say the PS4 supports used games? Everyone cheering was doing it in a mocking manner due to Microsoft's disaster that was the Xbox One before they finally reneged on their DRM. Microsoft deserved the mocking as don't you remember their insulting marketing campaign that insulted customers. It's really Microsoft's fault for being so goddamn stupid and arrogant that a competitor can advertise basic features in a mocking manner.Yoshi178 said:This thread is about Sony. not Nintendo.
and regardless, it's still a pretty stupid thing to be applauded for when being able to play used games is one of the most basic things you can do with a video game system.
Even if Sony were just mocking Microsoft, the fact that a giant corporation like Sony feels that in order to gain sales, they need to mock their competitors on one of the biggest stages in the industry, is pretty childish of them.
I don't care if the public was mocking Xbox. of course that was going to happen if the public felt Xbox was being stupid.Phoenixmgs said:Did you not remember why Sony was able to say the PS4 supports used games? Everyone cheering was doing it in a mocking manner due to Microsoft's disaster that was the Xbox One before they finally reneged on their DRM. Microsoft deserved the mocking as don't you remember their insulting marketing campaign that insulted customers. It's really Microsoft's fault for being so goddamn stupid and arrogant that a competitor can advertise basic features in a mocking manner.
They capitalised on the situation. In a far less harmful way than corporations can and often do. It's not 'stooping' to anything, it's being an informed entity that recognises anti-consumer business moves when they see them. Microsoft are greedy and arrogant and I am glad to have finally rid myself of them at long last. What's childish is defending them as if there's something to lose by not doing so.Yoshi178 said:I don't care if the public was mocking Xbox. of course that was going to happen if the public felt Xbox was being stupid.Phoenixmgs said:Did you not remember why Sony was able to say the PS4 supports used games? Everyone cheering was doing it in a mocking manner due to Microsoft's disaster that was the Xbox One before they finally reneged on their DRM. Microsoft deserved the mocking as don't you remember their insulting marketing campaign that insulted customers. It's really Microsoft's fault for being so goddamn stupid and arrogant that a competitor can advertise basic features in a mocking manner.
The fact that a giant Corporation like Sony felt they needed to stoop down to the general public's level and also mock their competitor was still pretty damn childish of the the company to do whether Microsoft deserved it or not.
yeah they capitalised on the situation, by directly taking a cheap shot at their competitor.Xsjadoblayde said:They capitalised on the situation. In a far less harmful way than corporations can and often do. It's not 'stooping' to anything, it's being an informed entity that recognises anti-consumer business moves when they see them.