PS3 comeback

[SinisterDeath]

I lol'd, because I'm a programmer.

Because it was ridiculous?
Or because it was right?

I have no idea about which one they start on or even try to comprehend how they can be so different.

Because the text is clearly based on some accurate facts, but the person who wrote it has been doing a lot of guess work to fill in the blanks (using terminology that he doesn't really understand) and the end result just comes off as amusing.

What can I say, I suck at programming, and have to pull words out of my ass when I can't think of the right terminology.

http://www.ddj.com/hpc-high-performance-computing/197801624
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=4
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=2837496&query.id=27072#M2837496

Thats basically where I got the info.

 

[SteveDave]

The main problem I have, now that I'm considering getting a system, is that games that come out for both XBox and PS3 always seem to be better on the XBox (according to reviews). It might be an issue with the framerate (often) or DLC, but games that should be identical always seem to be a little better on the 360.

Some of that has to do with EA, but for the most part I agree, for the PS3 to reach full potential, it needs more exclusive titles

Although I hate it when games turn out to be exclusive titles, you're right. After I found out that LBP didn't come out for the 360 nor the PC, I died a little inside and wanted a PS3. That's some good marketing.

Very true - I do wonder if LBP is as good as they say in ponder getting a PS3 to replace my XBox 360, but the way I see it, I already have alot of XBox games, both produce enough heat to heat my room BETTER THAN MY RADIATOR, and both are very similar. Plus, I find Japanese RPGs and games in general to be tedious movies as opposed to games (my own view), and most PS3 only games are Japanese in origin at least (Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid).

But one thing I have noticed are Xbox 'exclusives' end up porting onto other platforms over time (Mass Effect, for example).

Personally, I think that its better to port games out to other platforms (when possible - for example, the Wii hardware has large differences in performance and input to other platforms). Exclusives, whilst they can improve sales of one platform, will hurt gaming overall.

Some people can afford all 3 consoles and a PC, but I doubt the majority do. (I could in theory afford it but it seems like a waste to buy a Wii and PS3).

Whilst I can understand LittleBigPlanet is a Sony owned product, I would have personally thought they could make more money and spread the risk out by branching out onto other platforms after, say, a year. Same with Halo for Microsoft.

The problem is that the reason that LittleBigPlanet isn't going to the 360 isn't because Sony are hogging it - according to Media Molecule, they literally cannot do it. The game requires a full Blu-Ray disc and a Hard Drive as standard.

They could always start developing a port specially made for the 360. Just because it is made for Blue-Ray doesn't mean that is impossible, it just means it would take them longer to port it to another system.

 

[SteveDave]

It would still sell more copies than it has now which, not matter how you cut it, is the bottomline.

EDIT: What you said didn't stop Spore being ported out as a lesser product.

 

[SteveDave]

Maybe they should have. But I believe they thought they were going to do great on the PS3. Not the case. Also, if you get it on the PS3 and enjoy it what do you care if someone else buys it on another platform?

 

[SteveDave]

Well the conversation that we are having is completely wothless because LBP is published by Sony and that influences any platform decision more than hardware

 

[Isaac Dodgson]

(sorry about that, without thinking i pressed enter instead of tab hold on whil i write the topic.)

That right there, ladies and gentlemen, is a prime example of what you do instead of leaving it with just (no text).

Bravo.

Heh, I've done this with the majority of topics i start, always going back to say "Hit post by accident, please stand by." but anyway onto the topic at hand

I would of bought a PS3 right now if i had the money. You see it's not that I feel that it's overly expensive, it's just that when I had money it was and the 360 was a better buy...now I'm piss broke and in school...so it will have to wait...

 

[SteveDave]

what do YOU care if you knew the game wouldn't be on the console you brought?
That means you should either suck it up and buy it (Like I am for the PSP, I wanna stop depending on my bro) or just leave it alone, whining to the Whambulence is pathetic.

I'm putting my foot down here, ANY fanboy for any console who bitches and whines about not getting a game on another console should just shut up. I'm not getting Star Ocean 4, My brother owns the 360 and he DOES NOT PLAY RPGS I will not get that game, fine i'm over than, I wanted it, but I can't have it, fine.

I want Tales of Vesperia, going off previous Tales Of games it probably WILL be released to multiple consoles. But I won't ***** if it never comes out.

So why do other fanboys feel the need to ***** and whine constantly if they can't get a game they KNEW they wouldn't be getting.

instead of bitching about it, suck in your gut and buy the console and game, or just shut up about it and let it go.

People like that ruin the industry. and this isn't limited to the 360 crowd (Although they are the most vocal on the boards I go one) but to every console fanboy, the only ones I can say are free of this are Wii fans.

Tl;dr? Suck it up and shut up, nobody wants to listen to your incessant whinging, if you need to go make a live journal and ***** there.

I'm not looking at this from a fanboy point of view but from a buisness one. And besides why should a PS3 owner care whether if one of their games is ported to the 360 and Wii? I didn't care when Oblivion was ported, when Bioshock was ported or when Mass Effect was announced as a port. Why? Because it doesn't effect me, the consumer, one iota if a developer makes more money porting their product. So don't lump me in with fanboys, asshole. The point I am trying to make is that the more money games like LBP make the more games like LBP will be made. And the best way to make more money as a developer is to launch on multiple platforms.

 

[Jumplion]

what do YOU care if you knew the game wouldn't be on the console you brought?
That means you should either suck it up and buy it (Like I am for the PSP, I wanna stop depending on my bro) or just leave it alone, whining to the Whambulence is pathetic.

I'm putting my foot down here, ANY fanboy for any console who bitches and whines about not getting a game on another console should just shut up. I'm not getting Star Ocean 4, My brother owns the 360 and he DOES NOT PLAY RPGS I will not get that game, fine i'm over than, I wanted it, but I can't have it, fine.

I want Tales of Vesperia, going off previous Tales Of games it probably WILL be released to multiple consoles. But I won't ***** if it never comes out.

So why do other fanboys feel the need to ***** and whine constantly if they can't get a game they KNEW they wouldn't be getting.

instead of bitching about it, suck in your gut and buy the console and game, or just shut up about it and let it go.

People like that ruin the industry. and this isn't limited to the 360 crowd (Although they are the most vocal on the boards I go one) but to every console fanboy, the only ones I can say are free of this are Wii fans.

Tl;dr? Suck it up and shut up, nobody wants to listen to your incessant whinging, if you need to go make a live journal and ***** there.

I'm not looking at this from a fanboy point of view but from a buisness one. And besides why should a PS3 owner care whether if one of their games is ported to the 360 and Wii? I didn't care when Oblivion was ported, when Bioshock was ported or when Mass Effect was announced as a port. Why? Because it doesn't effect me, the consumer, one iota if a developer makes more money porting their product. So don't lump me in with fanboys, asshole. The point I am trying to make is that the more money games like LBP make the more games like LBP will be made. And the best way to make more money as a developer is to launch on multiple platforms.

But you're missing the point of exclusives, like it or not they drive the industry just as much as anything else. If consoles didn't have exclusives, then there would be no reason to buy their particular console. You say you're looking at this from a business perspective, but you're only looking at this from the developer's side not the publisher's side (Sony, MS, Nintendo). If there weren't any exclusives there would be no reason to buy a Ps3 or 360 or even a Wii since they'd all have pretty much the exact same library of games.

Onmi is right, either get the hardware or pissoff. I want Left 4 Dead on the Ps3 since I don't have a 360 or a good enough computer, but I'm going to have to suck it up until it's either ported to Ps3 or until I can upgrade my computer. Oh yeah sure, it'll get VALVe more money, blah blah blah, but I can't go around wondering about the "if's" and "when's" until VALVe decides to port it to Ps3. If it is, woop-de-do for me, but if it isn't, boo-hoo, I'll move on with my life.

 

[CyberAkuma]

My faith in SONY is still ruined by their rediculous pricing.

I mean is the price of the PSP STILL as much as an Xbox360?
That's just ridiculous!

 

[Jumplion]

My faith in SONY is still ruined by their rediculous pricing.

I mean is the price of the PSP STILL as much as an Xbox360?
That's just ridiculous!

Isn't the DS about the same price to? I don't know, can't remember the recent price tag for a DS.

 

[CyberAkuma]

Isn't the DS about the same price to? I don't know, can't remember the recent price tag for a DS.

Nintendo DS is still $130 [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16868100032] and they probably don't have any reason to lower its price (it is after all the worlds most sold handheld console and it's selling more copies in Japan than cupcakes on fatcamp)

PSP is $1999 and PSP 3000 is slightly more.

Xbox360 Arcade is $199 still if I'm not mistaken.

 

[SteveDave]

what do YOU care if you knew the game wouldn't be on the console you brought?
That means you should either suck it up and buy it (Like I am for the PSP, I wanna stop depending on my bro) or just leave it alone, whining to the Whambulence is pathetic.

I'm putting my foot down here, ANY fanboy for any console who bitches and whines about not getting a game on another console should just shut up. I'm not getting Star Ocean 4, My brother owns the 360 and he DOES NOT PLAY RPGS I will not get that game, fine i'm over than, I wanted it, but I can't have it, fine.

I want Tales of Vesperia, going off previous Tales Of games it probably WILL be released to multiple consoles. But I won't ***** if it never comes out.

So why do other fanboys feel the need to ***** and whine constantly if they can't get a game they KNEW they wouldn't be getting.

instead of bitching about it, suck in your gut and buy the console and game, or just shut up about it and let it go.

People like that ruin the industry. and this isn't limited to the 360 crowd (Although they are the most vocal on the boards I go one) but to every console fanboy, the only ones I can say are free of this are Wii fans.

Tl;dr? Suck it up and shut up, nobody wants to listen to your incessant whinging, if you need to go make a live journal and ***** there.

I'm not looking at this from a fanboy point of view but from a buisness one. And besides why should a PS3 owner care whether if one of their games is ported to the 360 and Wii? I didn't care when Oblivion was ported, when Bioshock was ported or when Mass Effect was announced as a port. Why? Because it doesn't effect me, the consumer, one iota if a developer makes more money porting their product. So don't lump me in with fanboys, asshole. The point I am trying to make is that the more money games like LBP make the more games like LBP will be made. And the best way to make more money as a developer is to launch on multiple platforms.

But you're missing the point of exclusives, like it or not they drive the industry just as much as anything else. If consoles didn't have exclusives, then there would be no reason to buy their particular console. You say you're looking at this from a business perspective, but you're only looking at this from the developer's side not the publisher's side (Sony, MS, Nintendo). If there weren't any exclusives there would be no reason to buy a Ps3 or 360 or even a Wii since they'd all have pretty much the exact same library of games.

Onmi is right, either get the hardware or pissoff. I want Left 4 Dead on the Ps3 since I don't have a 360 or a good enough computer, but I'm going to have to suck it up until it's either ported to Ps3 or until I can upgrade my computer. Oh yeah sure, it'll get VALVe more money, blah blah blah, but I can't go around wondering about the "if's" and "when's" until VALVe decides to port it to Ps3. If it is, woop-de-do for me, but if it isn't, boo-hoo, I'll move on with my life.

Why do you think that you have seen so many games that were once exclusive are no longer exlcusive anymore? Because the huge publishers EA, Act-Bliaa and Take-2 see the money in multiplatform games. You fail to mention these publishers, you must have forgot. Sony and Microsoft see this and that is why Microsoft has DLC and made the big deal with Netflix or Sony's attempt to create the interactive interface (forgot the name)and has Blu-Ray. Wii doesn't have to do such things because 1st party games drive the system. I'm not saying that exlusives are dead but what games a console has doesn't completely go in a consumers decision into buying a game because the other consoles have the same games. That is the reason I purchased my 360 after great contemplation, because of the DLC. And I'm not bitching and moaning about not seeing LBP on the 360 I am simply stating that its bad sales could be directly connected to its exlusivity and disecting why it is so, so maybe I can learn something and not be an asshole like yourself.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

The biggest problem I see is that PS3 hasn't seemed to really distance itself from the 360 as a worthy investment. The 360's head start and large initial install base (along with the PS3's initial slow sales) has really put Sony in trouble.

I just can't really imagine most gamers wanting both a 360 and a PS3. There's so much crossover between the two that it just doesn't seem worth the investment to buy a PS3 after buying a 360. Someone who has yet to purchase either of these two systems would probably base their decision on exclusives, but few people would want to spend several hundred dollars to play any exclusive game if they've already invested in a pricey console. That's not to say some people wouldn't, it's just that I don't see many gamers making this choice.

This is really an example of how clever Nintendo has been this generation. By marketing a console that exists outside of the high-end market, essentially carving out their own niche, I can see early 360 adopters being more likely to buy a Wii than a PS3. Regardless of how you feel about the Wii, it is an entirely different game system than either the 360 or PS3. Overlap is nearly nonexistent.

It'll be interesting to see how Sony reacts to being in "third place." Nintendo pulled a remarkable move and went immediately from third to first. I wonder if Sony will be willing to make such a bold maneuver...

 

[TheGhostOfSin]

PSP is $1999 and PSP 3000 is slightly more

Wow, that's some price tag...

 

[Bocaj2000]

Isn't the DS about the same price to? I don't know, can't remember the recent price tag for a DS.

PSP is $1999 and PSP 3000 is slightly more.

is a PSP really that much? I can buy 100 xboxes with that much money!
EDIT: 100 +or- 10

Also, I lost some respect for Microsoft after ripping off the Mii idea and totally stealing the PS3 intro. Granted, I own a 360 and would never trade it back for several reasons that I don't have to patience to go into at 10pm. I also have Vista and love it. I like the company and I respect the business, however the the respect is slowly depleting.

 

[Jumplion]

Why do you think that you have seen so many games that were once exclusive are no longer exlcusive anymore? Because the huge publishers EA, Act-Bliaa and Take-2 see the money in multiplatform games. You fail to mention these publishers, you must have forgot. Sony and Microsoft see this and that is why Microsoft has DLC and made the big deal with Netflix or Sony's attempt to create the interactive interface (forgot the name)and has Blu-Ray. Wii doesn't have to do such things because 1st party games drive the system. I'm not saying that exlusives are dead but what games a console has doesn't completely go in a consumers decision into buying a game because the other consoles have the same games. That is the reason I purchased my 360 after great contemplation, because of the DLC. And I'm not bitching and moaning about not seeing LBP on the 360 I am simply stating that its bad sales could be directly connected to its exlusivity and disecting why it is so, so maybe I can learn something and not be an asshole like yourself.

I'm not trying to be an "asshole", I'm just saying what I think. No need to get your nickers in a twist over my opinion that is different than yours.

First of all, why do you think some other developers/publishers (Square Enix, Konami, Media Molecule) keep some of their games exclusive to one console? Because they're payed by one of the big three (Sony, MS, Nintendo) to keep it exclusive. Ea/Acti-Blizard/Take-Two are going to keep their games on one consome because they don't own any other console unless one of the big three pay them to keep exclusivity. I believe L.A. Noire, made by Rockstar, is supposed to be a PS3 exclusive (though I think it's on 360 now). Either Rockstar were payed to keep it exclusive or they for some reason decided to keep it exclusive anyway.

If you're buying a games console the first thing on your mind is usually going to be the games. If one console is the cheapest, and has all the games regardless of quality, most people are going to go to that. I can't blame them, that's probably what I would do to, but the two other companies are going to want to drag you away from the competition and exclusives are one way to do it.

And also, what bad sales? I don't know how much LBP has sold so far, but could you validate your statement of LBP not selling well? Even if it's not sellling well, who knows what could be the problem; advertising, people thinking it's gay/stupid/a simple platformer/don't care, all the other games coming out this season, ect...

My friend who had owned a Wii since launch bought a PS3 for LBP and many other games that were exclusive to the PS3 or inevitable games that would be exclusive to it like God of War III, Resistance 2, White Knight Chronicles, ect...

People bought a PS3 for MGS4, LittleBigPlanet, ect..
People bought a 360 for Halo 3, Fable II, Gears 2, ect...
People bought a Wii for the next Mario/Metroid/Zelda game.

I'm not saying that everyone bought that certain console for that certain game, but that's what many people bought it for; the exclusives.

You can talk all you want about how it "makes sense" for developers to go multiplatform with their games, but aslong as the big three have money in their pockets and maybe a basket of chocolates, you're going to see exclusives.

HOWEVER, I do agree with the notion that it's stupid for most 3rd party developers to have exclusive games unless they're payed to (Square's RPGs on the 360 is an example).

 

[Kermi]

"From now on"? Are you sure? Because people were saying the same thing last year and devs are still using the 360 as the lead console. If you could name a few titles that are being developed with the PS3 as the lead and then ported to the 360 it would bolster your claim.

Mirrors Edge? Final Fantasy XIII? Resident Evil 5? Dead Space? Burnout Paradise?

Quoting me then quoting a post that makes your point instead of answering the question yourself works better when I haven't already replied to the post you quoted and am awaiting a response.

 

[Kermi]

The Orginal 20GB PS3 and Orginal 60GB PS3 can play PS2 Games.
All formats of hte PS3 can play PsX Games.
And since I have an orginal 60GB Ps3, thusly the library of games I can play, kicks the library of games a 360 owner can play on there 360.
Even if you JUST include PsX games its still bigger.

Sorry, but no. You can't trumpet backwards compatibility as a feature when the feature was only available for a very short period of time - Sony were supposed to be adopting software emulation to make up for removing the emotion engine and two years later, they still haven't done it. I have PS2 games I'd love to play again - my PS2 is dead and I don't see the point in paying to replace it when I have a PS3 that should be up to the task. Also, you're using PSX games to bolster the PS3 catalogue? Really? I understand wanting to play some of those games for the nostalgia factor - I mean who doesn't have Super Mario Bros on their Wii? And I can play the original Silent Hill (even if I can no longer play 2-4).
But for the most part PSX games have been surpassed in every way by later generations of gaming. Someone entering the world of console gaming today is not going to say "Oh man, the original Crash Bandicoot! Fuck yeah!"

 

[SteveDave]

Why do you think that you have seen so many games that were once exclusive are no longer exlcusive anymore? Because the huge publishers EA, Act-Bliaa and Take-2 see the money in multiplatform games. You fail to mention these publishers, you must have forgot. Sony and Microsoft see this and that is why Microsoft has DLC and made the big deal with Netflix or Sony's attempt to create the interactive interface (forgot the name)and has Blu-Ray. Wii doesn't have to do such things because 1st party games drive the system. I'm not saying that exlusives are dead but what games a console has doesn't completely go in a consumers decision into buying a game because the other consoles have the same games. That is the reason I purchased my 360 after great contemplation, because of the DLC. And I'm not bitching and moaning about not seeing LBP on the 360 I am simply stating that its bad sales could be directly connected to its exlusivity and disecting why it is so, so maybe I can learn something and not be an asshole like yourself.

I'm not trying to be an "asshole", I'm just saying what I think. No need to get your nickers in a twist over my opinion that is different than yours.

First of all, why do you think some other developers/publishers (Square Enix, Konami, Media Molecule) keep some of their games exclusive to one console? Because they're payed by one of the big three (Sony, MS, Nintendo) to keep it exclusive. Ea/Acti-Blizard/Take-Two are going to keep their games on one consome because they don't own any other console unless one of the big three pay them to keep exclusivity. I believe L.A. Noire, made by Rockstar, is supposed to be a PS3 exclusive (though I think it's on 360 now). Either Rockstar were payed to keep it exclusive or they for some reason decided to keep it exclusive anyway.

If you're buying a games console the first thing on your mind is usually going to be the games. If one console is the cheapest, and has all the games regardless of quality, most people are going to go to that. I can't blame them, that's probably what I would do to, but the two other companies are going to want to drag you away from the competition and exclusives are one way to do it.

And also, what bad sales? I don't know how much LBP has sold so far, but could you validate your statement of LBP not selling well? Even if it's not sellling well, who knows what could be the problem; advertising, people thinking it's gay/stupid/a simple platformer/don't care, all the other games coming out this season, ect...

My friend who had owned a Wii since launch bought a PS3 for LBP and many other games that were exclusive to the PS3 or inevitable games that would be exclusive to it like God of War III, Resistance 2, White Knight Chronicles, ect...

People bought a PS3 for MGS4, LittleBigPlanet, ect..
People bought a 360 for Halo 3, Fable II, Gears 2, ect...
People bought a Wii for the next Mario/Metroid/Zelda game.

I'm not saying that everyone bought that certain console for that certain game, but that's what many people bought it for; the exclusives.

You can talk all you want about how it "makes sense" for developers to go multiplatform with their games, but aslong as the big three have money in their pockets and maybe a basket of chocolates, you're going to see exclusives.

HOWEVER, I do agree with the notion that it's stupid for most 3rd party developers to have exclusive games unless they're payed to (Square's RPGs on the 360 is an example).

Your last point was the point I was trying to make. You see a lot less exclusives out there than you did yesterday and consoles can't really on exclusives anymore. The 360 doesn't have to get many exlcusives, all it needs to do is take them away from PS3 and make them multiplatform because the 360 is cheaper. And why do you think Bungie left Micro? Because they want to make more money buy going multiplatform. No, Halo will never go multiplatform because Micro owns the rights but Bungie leaving validates what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying that exlusives don't factor in the equasion of buying a console but their role is diminishing and it is a pattern that will continue and bring changes to how the next consoles are designed.

I read on Edge-Magazine.com that after week two LBP sales were only at 400k, bad sales for what was supposed to be a great game.

The reason I call you an asshole is because you immediately jump to the conclusion that I am a fanboy because I have a differing opinion and own a 360.

Also, I wouldn't call Sony and Micro part of the big three in game publishing. EA and Acti-Blizz publish way more games.

 

[SteveDave]

I have to agree with Kermi here, Sony seems to think Backwards compatibility is bad for the console, it is not, it would increase sales SO MUCH.

Supposedly Kermi they didn't want people playing so much with PS2 stuff, I don't get it, look, drop the PS2 from the market, market the PS3 with backwards compatibility, that way you still make PS2 games and it's a net gain, yes the PS2 still sells, but Backwards compatibility, I recently had your problem Kermi, and since I had games from Japan, I have to buy and chip a new PS2, or buy a good graphics card for my PC, but you know what I mean, I shouldn't have to.
Also I'm sure Backwards compatibility was never available in Australia.


As for Steve, you do know the 360 hasn't broken even yet? because they lowered the price again, and have to keep replacing them, also out of curiosity, have you ever done a business course?

Actually they are finally making profits for the first time. Sure they havn't payed off the giant bill from breaking into the business but it is looking up. I also remember way back when they first announced the new consoles experts were saying how manufacturing the 360 would get cheaper and more efficient over time. And yes I have done and am doing business courses. But most of what I am saying is simple econ.