What a stupid statement.SaturdayS said:
If we got to Mars, we'd need computers everywhere. Where there are computers, there are games.
PS3 Pirates Counter Sony's Anti-Piracy Counter-Update
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If we got to Mars, we'd need computers everywhere. Where there are computers, there are games.
When I was younger, I remember seeing a couple of places rate locks in terms of time it takes to break in. The idea was that any lock could be broken into, but those which took more than 60 seconds (I think) were the safest because of the time constraints of breaking in without being detected.John Funk said:
Just came to mind. there's certainly an argument for the deterrent effect.
This was as inevitable as both the zombie apocalypse and the robot uprising.
The only question I have is which will come first.
The only question I have is which will come first.
I find that ludicrous.
Imagine what would Windows 7, software in general, even hardware, if it weren't for those pirates exposing security leaks, forcing manufacturers and software companies to code PROPERLY! To think outside the box.
Now, imagine if humanity hadn't had those tinkerers and side-thinking individuals that, throughout history, going far back when saber-tooth tigers roamed the land, decided that it wasn't worth it. That it was just a feeble attempt, not worth the issue or work, that it just was good the way it is. Yeah. Maybe we'd be out of our trees by now.
The fact is, even if I don't agree with the way they do things, they do things. That's what matters. They have a passion to "break" those barriers and in some sort of way, we should be grateful to them for forcing those people to come up with new way of protecting their investments. Now, I agree that some came up with some pretty bad ideas (look at Ubiscrap), but the fact remains that if it weren't for those pirates we'd be gouged even more and mark my words, things will only get "better".
If only I got that reference...Loonerinoes said:
kidding.
Anyway, there's hobby tinkering, and then there's helping pirates. I don't agree with the latter.
Assuming paragon voice: "Some relevant Com. Shepard quote."
[em]Honestly, this comes as little surprise - it's part of the ongoing war against piracy (or, if you're on the other side, the war against copyright law).[/em]
Or rather: One other side to this argument: How about being on the side of "just wanting to make my PS3 more functional for me?" You know, that system has upgradeable memory, and Sony is telling me I don't have the right to use the system [em]like a computer[/em] and simply copy my PS3 games to the system? Instead, I have to swap games continually. The reason I haven't added any variety to my game-play is because I have to swap disks and wait for the system to load them...slowly. I know that is a minor gripe, but that system is a really advanced *computer*, so shouldn't I be able to use it like one? Hell, Netflix opted-out of swapping in the Netflix DVD when you want to watch streaming content through the PS3 because [em]it was more efficient[/em]. Why can't Sony allow its loyal users to simply copy games to the system?
[em]Given that the release of FW 3.50 was rumored to be one of the reasons behind the eleventh-hour delay of Gran Turismo 5, it's entirely possible that an emergency firmware update might crash the racer's impending release date into a wall. Which, given how often that game has been delayed thus far, would just be part for the course, really.[/em]
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[em]If these determined pirates would only put their attention to other things, we'd probably be on Mars by now.[/em]
There is a two-pronged solution to this rat-race: Sony should instead focus on making a better first-party games, and start telling third-party game makers to make better games, too. Sony should also allow people to copy games to the hard drive. Seriously. Computers have been able to do that for decades now. If Sony did this, there would be less reason for people to "pirate games" by copying them to the system. Sony would have less to worry about if they tried a hands-off approach to how they treated its own loyal customers. In turn, they wouldn't risk releasing a "patch" (DRM software) that would ruin the functionality of a random assortment of games.
Come on Sony (And MicroSoft and Nintendo), there will always been pirates. There always will be pirates. If you all actually made stable, reliable systems (which you three do), offered quick firmware updates that were not focused on DRM, and made better games, you all will pretty much reduce piracy.
Or rather: One other side to this argument: How about being on the side of "just wanting to make my PS3 more functional for me?" You know, that system has upgradeable memory, and Sony is telling me I don't have the right to use the system [em]like a computer[/em] and simply copy my PS3 games to the system? Instead, I have to swap games continually. The reason I haven't added any variety to my game-play is because I have to swap disks and wait for the system to load them...slowly. I know that is a minor gripe, but that system is a really advanced *computer*, so shouldn't I be able to use it like one? Hell, Netflix opted-out of swapping in the Netflix DVD when you want to watch streaming content through the PS3 because [em]it was more efficient[/em]. Why can't Sony allow its loyal users to simply copy games to the system?
[em]Given that the release of FW 3.50 was rumored to be one of the reasons behind the eleventh-hour delay of Gran Turismo 5, it's entirely possible that an emergency firmware update might crash the racer's impending release date into a wall. Which, given how often that game has been delayed thus far, would just be part for the course, really.[/em]
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[em]If these determined pirates would only put their attention to other things, we'd probably be on Mars by now.[/em]
There is a two-pronged solution to this rat-race: Sony should instead focus on making a better first-party games, and start telling third-party game makers to make better games, too. Sony should also allow people to copy games to the hard drive. Seriously. Computers have been able to do that for decades now. If Sony did this, there would be less reason for people to "pirate games" by copying them to the system. Sony would have less to worry about if they tried a hands-off approach to how they treated its own loyal customers. In turn, they wouldn't risk releasing a "patch" (DRM software) that would ruin the functionality of a random assortment of games.
Come on Sony (And MicroSoft and Nintendo), there will always been pirates. There always will be pirates. If you all actually made stable, reliable systems (which you three do), offered quick firmware updates that were not focused on DRM, and made better games, you all will pretty much reduce piracy.
First off, let me clear that Pirates Rule. They are those brilliant guys and gals, who can show anyone the old saying "No system is safe" (hackers, C&C: Generals). I particularly remember when Prince of Persia: Sands of time came out with their awesome-uncrackable Starforce protection. It got cracked. In 8 minutes. So let me see, millions of dollars waisted, game released, awesome protection and some guy sits down and finds a way through it in 480seconds the time it takes to make hardboiled eggs. Whats the lesson? Don't try to defend it next time. Though almost never learned so now we have this exercise in Stupidity. Companies make new protections that get immediately cracked. I ask you, if there was NO protection, would you pirate the game instead of buying it? For me the answer is obvious, when you appreciate something, you pay for it. So instead the money for anti-piracy could be invested in better writing, dialog, online support or whatever. If you say that you only pay for games, because you can't pirate them, thats sad.
Case and point Unreal Tournament 3. Protection: none; A simple CD key allows you to play online, thats it. World of Warcraft doesn't even have a CD key, requires just an active account to play. I'm sure that both Epic Games and Blizzard make tons of money and waste none on protections, that someone can break while making breakfast.
Case and point Unreal Tournament 3. Protection: none; A simple CD key allows you to play online, thats it. World of Warcraft doesn't even have a CD key, requires just an active account to play. I'm sure that both Epic Games and Blizzard make tons of money and waste none on protections, that someone can break while making breakfast.
I think the best thing to do, is that game companies should get in on a ruse of sorts. Over the next couple of years, game companies should take a dive, then announce piracy made their games unprofitable, then come back later. Hopefully, in the course of things it would provoke some good old vigilante justice. To be honest, I just think piracy would best be stopped with harsher punishments for people who pirate games.
I do not understand why people pirate games? Yes, free, but if these people are smart enough to come up with these ways, they should be smart enough to realise that if all starts pirating developers will stop making innovating games and just play it veeeery safe. Yes, it could get even worse than now... You really want that? Pirates are the lowest form of life IMO.
Developers should put bounties on the worst pirates, not only would it be legal to hunt them down, but you'd get paid so you can BUY MORE GAMES! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!binnsyboy said:
It's just impressive how far people will go to not give the companies the money they deserve (in most cases). These people have brilliant minds, but they should be killed before some extreme evil power sees their potential and puts them to use in developing a black hole generator.