PS5 the "weaker" system has 4k/60fps modes

[Chimpzy]

So it turns out that PS5 backwards compatibility is going to be like the Xbox One to the 360, with a few games at the start and more being added over time. Supposedly, 'almost all' of the most 100 popular games by playtime will be playable at launch. Considering how many of those are probably Call of Duty, Call of Duty, Call of Duty, and five versions of Fifa, I'm suddenly a lot less optimistic.

The majority of those 100 games will probably be the big multiplayer games, yes. Tho I'm guessing the major first party exclusives also have a decent chance of making the cut regardless of their playtime, so your Bloodborne, Uncharted, God of War, Spider-Man, Horizon Zero Dawn. Perhaps also TLoU2 and Ghost of Tsushima, because I remember reading not too long ago that all PS4 games released within a certain timeframe from the PS5 launch (I think 6 months) need to be either compatible with PS5 or also get a PS5 version (don't remember exactly), which would include those two.

Not quite as sure about the 3rd party exclusives tho. Stuff like Yakuza 6, Persona 5 or Nioh. Or the more niche 1st party ones for that matter. Gravity Rush 2, The Last Guardian or Tearaway Unfolded.

 

[laggyteabag]

I mean backwards compatibility will be nice, but I'd rather get the system that will have all the new games. Living in the past only goes so far, and I feel like Microsoft is banking on when they used to have good shit for it to be worth all that much.

I've always hated the idea that playing old games is "living in the past". It just makes no sense to me.

Moving to a next generation is great, and im also really looking forward to playing all of these cool new games, but a lot of older titles are still worth playing - just like older films, books, music...

The idea that I would need to break out an older version of my console, just to play an older game, is pretty stupid. Not to mention that a huge library of games, spanning about 15 years, would be completely inaccessible to someone who only owns a PS4 or PS5. That is pretty sad.

I have nothing but respect for whoever it was on the Xbox team, who pushed for full backwards compatibility on the Xbox One and Series X.

 

[BrawlMan]

I've always hated the idea that playing old games is "living in the past". It just makes no sense to me.

Moving to a next generation is great, and im also really looking forward to playing all of these cool new games, but a lot of older titles are still worth playing - just like older films, books, music...

This. Just because you love playing or are interested in older games, does not mean you're only thinking about the past. If that's the case, then people who play only new games are "living in the future or now". Plus, there a lot of old games that are straight up better than most of the newer titles that get released.

 

[CriticalGaming]

I've always hated the idea that playing old games is "living in the past". It just makes no sense to me.

Moving to a next generation is great, and im also really looking forward to playing all of these cool new games, but a lot of older titles are still worth playing - just like older films, books, music...

The idea that I would need to break out an older version of my console, just to play an older game, is pretty stupid. Not to mention that a huge library of games, spanning about 15 years, would be completely inaccessible to someone who only owns a PS4 or PS5. That is pretty sad.

I have nothing but respect for whoever it was on the Xbox team, who pushed for full backwards compatibility on the Xbox One and Series X.

This. Just because you love playing or are interested in older games, does not mean you're only thinking about the past. If that's the case, then people who play only new games are "living in the future or now". Plus, there a lot of old games that are straight up better than most of the newer titles that get released.

I say that presumably because you dont throw away your old system just because you buy a new one. Call me crazy but i wont be throwing my perfectly working ps4 in the bin the moment i bring my ps5 home.

Is it nice to be able to play everything on the same system? Sure. But you arent filling your hard drive with your entire library so what difference is reinstalling an old game on a new system than simply booting the game on an old system.

 

[BrawlMan]

I say that presumably because you dont throw away your old system just because you buy a new one. Call me crazy but i wont be throwing my perfectly working ps4 in the bin the moment i bring my ps5 home.

Is it nice to be able to play everything on the same system? Sure. But you arent filling your hard drive with your entire library so what difference is reinstalling an old game on a new system than simply booting the game on an old system.

We're on the same page so nevermind. I ain't throwing away my perfectly working PS4 either. Not after I spent the effort cleaning it every other week since I first got it. I make sure to do that with all the consoles I'm using. I was always told to take good care of stuff I care about.

 

[gorfias]

Yes, 8 GB. With a Ryzen 5 2600X. A demanding game, considering the low system recommendations.

Recommended:

• OS: Windows 7/8.1/10 (64-bit versions)
• Processor: Intel Core i7-4770 / AMD Ryzen 5 1600X or better
• Memory: 16 GB RAM
• Graphics: NVIDIA GTX 1060 6GB / AMD RX 480 8GB or better

Phew! I try to keep a desktop for 6 years before upgrading. I just made the wire on this one: Win 10 64 bit, Ryzen 1700, 16 Gig RAM, RX 480 8 GB. Going on 3 years old. TEW a wrestling game? Will review.

On topic, I still love playing my OG XBox 1. Got the 1X too but not an apples to apples comparison for me as the X is on a 75" while the OG is on 65". But I don't see much of a difference. Gen 9 is supposed to try some new things that are not just about resolution. Like Ray Tracing. I'm really interested on loading times. Gen 9 is supposed to cut them to near nothing. I still have PS3s. Loading times are soul crushingly long. I concede, no matter how fun, I just gave away 2 gamecubes and 2 PS2 slims as, there is just too much frustration in playing them due to the slow loads vs. Gen 8.

Like @Samtemdo8 I'll likely start with the Xbox for the ecosphere. Microsquish is trying to make their environment, regardless of hardware you are using, the place to be. But the PS5 will be mine. Oh yes. It will be mine.

EDIT: ITMT: Appropo of nothing, but thought y'all might be amused...

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Yes, 8 GB. With a Ryzen 5 2600X. A demanding game, considering the low system recommendations.

Recommended:

• OS: Windows 7/8.1/10 (64-bit versions)
• Processor: Intel Core i7-4770 / AMD Ryzen 5 1600X or better
• Memory: 16 GB RAM
• Graphics: NVIDIA GTX 1060 6GB / AMD RX 480 8GB or better

I stand corrected; it uses a custom engine -

The Evil Within 2 will be powered by the STEM Engine; custom-built engine based on idTech

While The Evil Within was a really interesting game, it suffered from some really awful performance issues on both consoles and the PC. And when its sequel was announced, a lot of us wondered whether it would be powered by the id Tech 5 or the id Tech 6 Engine. Well, it appears that neither …...

www.dsogaming.com

That would explain it.

Also while digging I finally uncovered the apparent reasoning for the horrid id Tech 5 engine, as detailed in this thread -

Damien Azreal has The Evil Within 2 Jun 15, 2017 @ 1:37pm
The first game had performance issues because it wasn't running on the standard idTech5.

Tango rewrote massive parts of the engine to fit their needs.
From Rendering, physics... down to the lighting engine. idTech5 uses pre-baked light maps, but Tango wanted dynamic lighting for The Evil Within. So, it took a huge amount of coding to change the engine.

This also meant, removing MegaTextures and revamping the rendering pipeline for the engine.
The Evil Within uses DirectX, while idTech5 (as with all idTech engines) was coded for OpenGL.


John Carmack even removed dynamic lighting from idTech5 because the impact it had on performance was too high.


idTech5 works great, when it's left as is.
But, it seems to fall apart when it's tampered with, which it was never meant to be modified. Carmack built it for one very specific reason, to manage a 1:1 control latency at 60fps, he also designed the engine for the Xbox 360.
Stating the engine was never intended to be used past that generation.

He had always planned to build a new engine for the next generation of hardware, an engine more PC friendly. But, he left before doing so.

The Evil Within's performance problems came from Tango's work in trying to cobble idTech5 into what they needed.


Too bad that they went from one Frankenstein’ing solution to another.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Apparently Phil Spencer has said there will be NO Xbox Series X Exclusives for YEARS! All games will be available either on the Xbone or PC in addition to the SeXBox.

Again proving that not only do they not have anything in serious development and what they do have will be available on other platforms.

So if you already have an Xbone. You do NOT need a new SeXBox, and wont for 2-3 years after the console launch. If you have a PC you will never need an Xbox.

Why are they even making Consoles? Just make games and put them on PC or Playstation. I don't understand why go through the expense of making a console, when you aren't trying to make it an inticing item to own.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I say that presumably because you dont throw away your old system just because you buy a new one. Call me crazy but i wont be throwing my perfectly working ps4 in the bin the moment i bring my ps5 home.

Is it nice to be able to play everything on the same system? Sure. But you arent filling your hard drive with your entire library so what difference is reinstalling an old game on a new system than simply booting the game on an old system.

I’m going to need an extra shelf, because I doubt I’ll retire my PS3 when I’m ready to bite on the 5. It’s still a better Blu-Ray player than 4 (teh Cell), but streaming quality definitely goes to the 4.

 

[BrawlMan]

Apparently Phil Spencer has said there will be NO Xbox Series X Exclusives for YEARS! All games will be available either on the Xbone or PC in addition to the SeXBox.

Again proving that not only do they not have anything in serious development and what they do have will be available on other platforms.

So if you already have an Xbone. You do NOT need a new SeXBox, and wont for 2-3 years after the console launch. If you have a PC you will never need an Xbox.

Why are they even making Consoles? Just make games and put them on PC or Playstation. I don't understand why go through the expense of making a console, when you aren't trying to make it an inticing item to own.

You do realize you keep calling the series x the SexBox right?

If all this is true then I have even less a reason to get a series x now. Looks like it's PlayStation & Nintendo again. Riveting.

 

[CriticalGaming]

You do realize you keep calling the series x the SexBox right?

SEriesXBox......SeXbox. That's the joke.

Microsoft's naming convention is stupid.

Xbox One
Xbox One X
Xbox One S
Xbox Series X
Xbox Series S

Why? Are you trying to confuse people? Are you trying to get parents to buy the wrong box for their kids? "Did timmy want the Xbox X, or S? Or Series Xs" It might be a little better if X and S didn't sound nearly the same when said directly after Box.

I mean Playstation figured it out early. 1,2,3,4,5. Numbers. Very easy. Simple. Clean. Unconfusing.

 

[BrawlMan]

SEriesXBox......SeXbox. That's the joke.

Microsoft's naming convention is stupid.

Xbox One
Xbox One X
Xbox One S
Xbox Series X
Xbox Series S

Why? Are you trying to confuse people? Are you trying to get parents to buy the wrong box for their kids? "Did timmy want the Xbox X, or S? Or Series Xs" It might be a little better if X and S didn't sound nearly the same when said directly after Box.

I mean Playstation figured it out early. 1,2,3,4,5. Numbers. Very easy. Simple. Clean. Unconfusing.

I actually made a very similar rant out those back on the V1 escapist forums and the Devil May Cry forums. specifically confusing the grandparents, parents, uncles or aunts, or other relatives not into gaming. It's like the marketing team hates those type of people who don't game at all they're trying to buy stuff for their kids, grandkids, nieces, or nephews. I still would have preferred Xbox Scarlett over the name they chose now.

 

[laggyteabag]

I say that presumably because you dont throw away your old system just because you buy a new one. Call me crazy but i wont be throwing my perfectly working ps4 in the bin the moment i bring my ps5 home.

Is it nice to be able to play everything on the same system? Sure. But you arent filling your hard drive with your entire library so what difference is reinstalling an old game on a new system than simply booting the game on an old system.

I get where you are coming from, but here is the problem: I dont have infinite space, and also TV compatibility is an issue.

It is unrealistic for most people to have their old consoles plugged in consistently, and that fact alone is enough to discourage me from playing an older game that I might feel like playing. Not to mention that most modern TVs don't even support a lot of the older non-HD consoles, at least here in the UK with our pesky SCART cables.

As far as I am concerned, the only reason a console should be incompatible with another console's games, is if the media format is different - like how the Nintendo Switch uses cartridges, whereas the Gamecube, Wii and Wii U use discs.

When it comes to downloadable stuff, though, there really is no excuse.

 

[CriticalGaming]

I get where you are coming from, but here is the problem: I dont have infinite space, and also TV compatibility is an issue.

It is unrealistic for most people to have their old consoles plugged in consistently, and that fact alone is enough to discourage me from playing an older game that I might feel like playing. Not to mention that most modern TVs don't even support a lot of the older non-HD consoles, at least here in the UK with our pesky SCART cables.

As far as I am concerned, the only reason a console should be incompatible with another console's games, is if the media format is different - like how the Nintendo Switch uses cartridges, whereas the Gamecube, Wii and Wii U use discs.

When it comes to downloadable stuff, though, there really is no excuse.

Yeah but realistically if you are interested in playing old stuff THAT often then you don't need the new console in the first place. That's kind of the thing, if you want the backwards compatibility I get it, but look at it from a realistic stand point. Either you only play your old games, or you just want the "option" just because it's nices to have the option. But in reality you aren't going to use that option very much.

Either way it's a moot point. Because the Xbox Series X wont have exclusives for years according to Phil Spencer, so you can just not buy it and then you don't need to make any new space. Just use your old xbox instead and buy a PS5.

Problem solved

 

[laggyteabag]

Apparently Phil Spencer has said there will be NO Xbox Series X Exclusives for YEARS! All games will be available either on the Xbone or PC in addition to the SeXBox.

Again proving that not only do they not have anything in serious development and what they do have will be available on other platforms.

So if you already have an Xbone. You do NOT need a new SeXBox, and wont for 2-3 years after the console launch. If you have a PC you will never need an Xbox.

Why are they even making Consoles? Just make games and put them on PC or Playstation. I don't understand why go through the expense of making a console, when you aren't trying to make it an inticing item to own.

This is simultaneously pretty great, and pretty bad.

On one hand, if you dont have the £300+ to throw around on a new console, you wont be left behind, when it comes to the new games. This is really cool for those people.

On the other hand, im really worried that the games that are primarily intended for the Series X, like Halo Infinite, will be limited by the Xbox One. What I think will be a massive shame is if features cant be included, because they can't work on the Xbox One version of the game. I remember back in the Battlefield 4 days, one of the DLCs included a Riot Shield for the player to use, and the intention was for the player to be able to use their pistol at the same time, so they can shoot whilst using the shield, but because of the technical limitations of the 360 and PS3, this had to be cut, and the shield was released without this feature on all platforms. I think it will be a massive shame if something like this happens to the early lineup of Series X "exclusives".

On the plus side, though, the fact that Xbox's lineup of games are all available on PC, means I don't need to get one, which I think is pretty fantastic.

EDIT: It also might be worth noting that consoles sold towards the beginning of a generation are sold at a loss, with game sales, and things like Xbox Live Gold and PS+ recouping those losses. If Microsoft is disincentivising sales of the Series X for early adopters, and making new games available on the Xbox One for at least a couple of years, they can still get that same profit, without losing so much money from hardware sales - then when games stop being made for the Xbox One, and presumably when hardware sales ramp up, the console itself be made for cheaper, minimising those losses even further. Sure, they might lose quite a lot of market share to the PS5, but it makes financial sense on paper, at least. Regardless, it is an interesting experiment.

 

[laggyteabag]

Yeah but realistically if you are interested in playing old stuff THAT often then you don't need the new console in the first place. That's kind of the thing, if you want the backwards compatibility I get it, but look at it from a realistic stand point. Either you only play your old games, or you just want the "option" just because it's nices to have the option. But in reality you aren't going to use that option very much.

Its not black or white, like "You only play old games" or "you only play new games".

I have completed 35 games this year, with 8 of those being part of the 360/PS3 era, and 1 from the PS2/Xbox era. If I only owned a PS4, I wouldn't have been able to play those games.

Maybe it is because I play games on my PC 99% of the time, but honestly, the idea that I need to use a different console, from the same family of devices, just to play a game that isn't even 10 years old, is just really baffling to me.

So sure, for some, it may be a nicety, but for others like me, it pretty much an essential feature.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Its not black or white, like "You only play old games" or "you only play new games".

I have completed 35 games this year, with 8 of those being part of the 360/PS3 era, and 1 from the PS2/Xbox era. If I only owned a PS4, I wouldn't have been able to play those games.

Maybe it is because I play games on my PC 99% of the time, but honestly, the idea that I need to use a different console, from the same family of devices, just to play a game that isn't even 10 years old, is just really baffling to me.

So sure, for some, it may be a nicety, but for others like me, it pretty much an essential feature.

Well PC gaming pretty much has the library of just about everything. It's the ultimate backwards compatability machine.

How many of those games you played required an older console or backwards compatible console? (non-PC only)

Also only 9/35 games you played where not of current generation. Which means the VAST majority of games you have completed were for the modern system. I like how backwards compatiblity always is a thing right before, and shortly after a new console launch. However after a year or two, it's never brought up again, until the next system.

With digital becoming more and more of a thing, I feel like we'll get to the point where the consoles are just glorified store fronts like Steam and Epic anyway. In which you'll just have your playstation to buy Sony store games. Physical games really seem to be fighting to stay alive, and I think will eventually become things of the past.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

It's out when it's out and I'll get it when it's cheap and I'll play the games that interest me on it and that's that.

 

[laggyteabag]

How many of those games you played required an older console or backwards compatible console? (non-PC only)

All 9 - at least unless I bought a couple again for a second time, which isn't exactly a great argument.

Syndicate
Vanquish
Call of Duty: Black Ops 2
FEAR 2
Portal 2
Sleeping Dogs
Ghost Recon: Future Soldier
Splinter Cell: Blacklist
Splinter Cell: Conviction

Also only 9/35 games you played where not of current generation. Which means the VAST majority of games you have completed were for the modern system.

I mean, roughly 25% is a pretty good use case. If 1 in every 4 games that I have played in the last year are from a previous generation, I'd say that the ability to play old games is a pretty useful feature, at least to me.

I like how backwards compatiblity always is a thing right before, and shortly after a new console launch. However after a year or two, it's never brought up again, until the next system.

Because it is an important feature that a lot of people care about. "If I spend £300+ to get [new console], can I still play all of my games from [old console]" is a pretty good question to ask, especially because of how limited game libraries can be at release. The only reason that the conversation drops off, is probably because it isn't so much of a problem when you have a few years worth of games available on the new platform - but just because there are new games to play, doesn't mean that people aren't still interested in the massive library of the old generation.

Also the massive amount of next-gen rereleases were a thing, but "We aren't going to let you play the game that you already bought and paid for, but you can pay us £40 again for 1080p" isn't exactly a positive.

 

[Ezekiel]

I get where you are coming from, but here is the problem: I dont have infinite space, and also TV compatibility is an issue.

It is unrealistic for most people to have their old consoles plugged in consistently, and that fact alone is enough to discourage me from playing an older game that I might feel like playing. Not to mention that most modern TVs don't even support a lot of the older non-HD consoles, at least here in the UK with our pesky SCART cables.

As far as I am concerned, the only reason a console should be incompatible with another console's games, is if the media format is different - like how the Nintendo Switch uses cartridges, whereas the Gamecube, Wii and Wii U use discs.

When it comes to downloadable stuff, though, there really is no excuse.

Another problem is parts breaking down over the years, especially as the technology become more complex. It's unrealistic to expect someone to have a working PS3 after frequent use in 2035. They should be doing everything they can to emulate games on the later consoles.