Psychology Study Blames Games for Aggressive Behavior

CheckD3

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I agree and wouldn't call it desensitized, but used to something. When you do something, such as eat McDonalds everyday, the taste gets worse and worse. What's the saying about the best things in life are taken in small bites?

A better test would have had people play 3 games, either in a different order, different amount of time, or one group omitted a more violence based game for either a game they'd been playing or a less violent game. It sounds like he designed his experiments around the results to get what he wanted, which I call shame on
 

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Pretty much any competitive activity makes you more violent in the short term. Sports games, in fact, tend to enhance aggression more than violent games.

The real question is whether anyone has demonstrated that desensitization works on any time frame other than the extreme short-term.
 

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Greg Tito said:
First off, blasting more sound at someone is hardly an accurate measure of aggression and probably speaks more to the sound design of the games played.
There was a study a while back that tried to determine whether violent television would cause violence. In this experiment they let subjects administer shocks to people, and the intensity of the shock given was to be the measurement for violent behaviour after said subject had watched either a violent or non-violent television program.

This experiment is very similar with the addition of measurement of brain activity. The only reason they won't shock people this time is because it's considered unethical. The study of psychology took a while to realise you can't just shock people for the sake of science. I bet GlaDOS would disagree, but hey.

The experiment isn't flawed in and of itself. administering loud noises to other people is like exposing them to pain, only less so than shocks. Now if they would've gauged the volume of some song or other sound that the subject would set after playing the game, that would surprise me.

That being said it's been well known that violent imagery makes people violent. It's also been known this effect does not last long after a person has stopped playing.
It's also been known that if you see something all the time, like gore, violent behaviour or anything else violence-related you will get used to that imagery. It's what desensitisation means. What it doesn't mean, however, is that you will also get desensitised to those same images out of their original context. I can look at people getting maimed, blown apart and tortured in video games all day long without flinching, even laugh at some times. But when I watch one of those tv programs that shows a real life surgery going on sopmetimes I get very uncomfortable.

So no, it's not a bad study. It's what people infer from the study that could be bad.
 

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Playing Little Big Planet made me a serial killer... i just like too see people explode out from nowhere and pop when you throw them into fire pits...

I loled at this study... xD
 

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The conclusion could also be drawn that video games condition people to be better at goal based situations. If you want to win a game that includes blasting loud sounds at other people, you blast louder sounds at other people. The first part of the study includes a part of science that I have no personal knowledge of (neuroscience) so I cannot comment on that, but the second part is inherently flawed and is set up in a way to purposely prove the persons own hypothesis. Shit I wish people would stop doing this kind of stuff.

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TitanAtlas said:
Playing Little Big Planet made me a serial killer... i just like too see people explode out from nowhere and pop when you throw them into fire pits...

I loled at this study... xD
lol I'm pretty sure LBP is one of those "non-violent games" times they were using for the control. How great would it have been if that group would have been more violent :D.
 

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This is not new; it's only unusual because of the parameters by which this idiot-claiming-professor is asserting that video games cause aggression.

I have seen studies that show the exact same thing that this study showed, that when you put a kid in front of violent video games, the brainwaves that measure aggression rise, and when you keep said kid in front of said games for an extended period of time, those aggression levels become permanently higher, but only by a small degree. I have also seen evidence that shows a steady decline in various forms of crime and violence over the years, and the University of Texas actually did a study a couple years ago linking a drop in crime with the rise in (violent) gaming.

I mean, dear god, how many of these studies are we going to waste money on? It seems every month or so there's another "study" going around trying to prove that video games are evil, while it's barely once a year or longer before we actually get an "intelligent" study, or more aptly a study that actually lists out benefits of video games.
 

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For the love of-correlation does not imply causation. I'd think an associate professor of psychology should know that much, since they teach that in high school.
 

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Jumplion said:
I'm sorry, but was any of that even remotely necessary? Not only do you miss his point, you try to inject common sense into a field where that can easily be challenged. This is my main grievance when discerning between whether the Escapist wants to be an editorial site or a news one, and this is just demeaning to journalism. We don't care if any of this makes any sense to you, you're not a trained psychologist or cognitive researcher. You are an objective journalist, you are not in a position to say whether it makes sense or not and doing so is purely opinion based, making it not an objective news report. Not only that, but you clearly attempt to paint Mr. Bartholow as one of those "anti-game" radicals against all things fun, which is hardly what his point was. He even states that all media does the same and that it would be silly to think that video games are the sole factor. But it is a factor, and that is the crux of his research. I suggest that you, Mr. Tito, keep working on this, and I say this with utmost sincerity.

Instead of just simply stating your opinion, ask us our opinion. Go "So what do you think? Is this study bunk, or does it warrant some notice? What do our scientists thing about the write-up? Leave your comments below!" or something like that. Don't give us your (obvious biased, as this is a gaming site) opinion on whether it has merit or not as that just puts us in the unmovable mindset that "this man is wrong! He is doing everything wrong!"

On top of that, every single time we get some sort of "anti-game" research statement, all of a sudden we all get defensive. We always go "Dude, like, we already knew that! Of course games cause you to be more aggressive, that's, like, common sense yo!". And every time there is a "pro-game" research, we all go "Oh ho ho! This proves that games aren't as bad as the naysayers say they are!" and completely disregard any negative effect that they may have. This study, while done before, was, as far as I can see, much less agenda driven and put forth with the data at interest, not because they wanted to prove something.

Here's the thing; games have both positive and negative effects, that is absolutely undeniable. When it comes to aggression and/or violent behavior, what we haven't found out is whether those effects are long- or short-term. Of course someone who has played Call of Duty 10x as much as someone else can become more aggressive, but the question is why does it affect him more than someone else? Other people play Call of Duty the same amount of time yet are totally chill. This is all a mystery to us, and the dramatic effects that video games, and all media, cannot be denied.

Now, when the politicians and agenda-driven researchers come in, they tend to blow things out of proportion. Those are studies try to push their own beliefs as to what video games can do, and this if prevalent on both the anti- and pro-gaming sides. Whenever there is a "video games cause aggression" research thing, we always get defensive and point out every single flaw it has, yet when a "video games help eyesight" suddenly we're all for it and mock the others for even thinking that video games could somehow be negative in any way and we don't scrounge the experiment with the same amount of scrutiny as the previous one.
Exactly. Personal bias is something that should be kept out of journalism, and just because we happen to like a thing doesn't mean there aren't potential problems with it.

Though, is the thread screwed up for anyone else? Keeps flickering on and off.
 

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It would be interesting to find out who funded this study and paid to get these BS results..
 

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Greg Tito said:
there always seem to be pop-pyschologists who want to play the aggression card and pass that off as encouraging violence...............Bartholow's study will be published in the "Journal of Experimental Social Psychology."
You do realise these are peer-reviewed scientific journals and therefore unlikely to contain any crap from 'pop-psychologists', right?

There is no point trying to argue against the notion that games cause aggressive behaviour. The studies are overwhelmingly in favour of the argument that they do; but it seems to be mostly short-term effects. It's the same with any other media, and that's the point we should be pressing; yes, violent videogames cause aggressive behaviour, but so do violent films, and there is no controversy with them, so why treat games differently?
 

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thaluikhain said:
Jumplion said:
I'm sorry, but was any of that even remotely necessary? Not only do you miss his point, you try to inject common sense into a field where that can easily be challenged. This is my main grievance when discerning between whether the Escapist wants to be an editorial site or a news one, and this is just demeaning to journalism. We don't care if any of this makes any sense to you, you're not a trained psychologist or cognitive researcher. You are an objective journalist, you are not in a position to say whether it makes sense or not and doing so is purely opinion based, making it not an objective news report. Not only that, but you clearly attempt to paint Mr. Bartholow as one of those "anti-game" radicals against all things fun, which is hardly what his point was. He even states that all media does the same and that it would be silly to think that video games are the sole factor. But it is a factor, and that is the crux of his research. I suggest that you, Mr. Tito, keep working on this, and I say this with utmost sincerity.

Instead of just simply stating your opinion, ask us our opinion. Go "So what do you think? Is this study bunk, or does it warrant some notice? What do our scientists thing about the write-up? Leave your comments below!" or something like that. Don't give us your (obvious biased, as this is a gaming site) opinion on whether it has merit or not as that just puts us in the unmovable mindset that "this man is wrong! He is doing everything wrong!"

On top of that, every single time we get some sort of "anti-game" research statement, all of a sudden we all get defensive. We always go "Dude, like, we already knew that! Of course games cause you to be more aggressive, that's, like, common sense yo!". And every time there is a "pro-game" research, we all go "Oh ho ho! This proves that games aren't as bad as the naysayers say they are!" and completely disregard any negative effect that they may have. This study, while done before, was, as far as I can see, much less agenda driven and put forth with the data at interest, not because they wanted to prove something.

Here's the thing; games have both positive and negative effects, that is absolutely undeniable. When it comes to aggression and/or violent behavior, what we haven't found out is whether those effects are long- or short-term. Of course someone who has played Call of Duty 10x as much as someone else can become more aggressive, but the question is why does it affect him more than someone else? Other people play Call of Duty the same amount of time yet are totally chill. This is all a mystery to us, and the dramatic effects that video games, and all media, cannot be denied.

Now, when the politicians and agenda-driven researchers come in, they tend to blow things out of proportion. Those are studies try to push their own beliefs as to what video games can do, and this if prevalent on both the anti- and pro-gaming sides. Whenever there is a "video games cause aggression" research thing, we always get defensive and point out every single flaw it has, yet when a "video games help eyesight" suddenly we're all for it and mock the others for even thinking that video games could somehow be negative in any way and we don't scrounge the experiment with the same amount of scrutiny as the previous one.
Exactly. Personal bias is something that should be kept out of journalism, and just because we happen to like a thing doesn't mean there aren't potential problems with it.

Though, is the thread screwed up for anyone else? Keeps flickering on and off.
It's Wednesday. Zero Punctuation Day. The site always experience problems on Zero Punctuation Day.
 

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Increased aggression in society? Is this guy a fuckin' idiot? There's less violence now in the world than ever before you dumb shit. And someone is supposed to take these studies seriously. Geez what a moron.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Though, is the thread screwed up for anyone else?
Same 'ere. Because my previous comment just wouldn't upload, I kept reloading the page. Later I found I made six posts. Ghastly.
 

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Said it before and I'll say it again.

1) Video Games do make me more aggressive sometimes.
2) A badly cooked steak makes me more aggressive more often.
3) Playing football makes me more aggressive nearly every time I play it.
4) University/Course Exam makes me more aggressive ALWAYS.

I suggest we ban such Exams as they are clearly detrimental to the health of young people everywhere.
 

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FightThePower said:
Greg Tito said:
there always seem to be pop-pyschologists who want to play the aggression card and pass that off as encouraging violence...............Bartholow's study will be published in the "Journal of Experimental Social Psychology."
You do realise these are peer-reviewed scientific journals and therefore unlikely to contain any crap from 'pop-psychologists', right?

There is no point trying to argue against the notion that games cause aggressive behaviour. The studies are overwhelmingly in favour of the argument that they do; but it seems to be mostly short-term effects. It's the same with any other media, and that's the point we should be pressing; yes, violent videogames cause violent behaviour, but so do violent films, and there is no controversy with them, so why treat games differently?
There are no studies of which I am aware that establish a causal link between video games and violent behavior. This study doesn't purport to do so, either. Aggressive behavior is not the same thing as violent behavior.
 

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That's funny, I play violent games all the time and still feel like I'm going to chuck when I see real violence; I guess context is important, ecological-validity and all of that shit... heh.
 

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It seems the claims don't suit the data from this experiment. All they have shown is that playing violent games (providing a series of violent images) desensitizes someone to violent images. Doesn't mean much in terms of actual behaviour.
 

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Besides, just to parrot what I remember learning, correlation doesn't mean causation. As far as I can tell, he's taking a correlation, ignoring the possibilities of third factors, and calling it a win.

But I'm no psych buff.
 

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I don't doubt the validity of the experiment, I doubt his conclusions.

Desensitized is just a familiarity, and really has no bearing on seriousness of an act, like its been said, you can watch CSI and be desensitized with viewing a dead body. So does seeing anything. So there's no real revalation there.

But the aggressions? Testing someones aggression right after an act is crap for showing anything. If I just come off the soccer field I'm going to be more aggressive, such is the nature of a competition.

I feel like this is comparable to giving a bunch of people bad fish to eat, then if someone gets sick claiming fish makes people sick, it's kinda true, but so can any other food in that situation.