Punisher vs Captain America

[themyrmidon]

I was looking through the Marvel wiki and noticed something weird.
Official ratings for strength, speed, durability, and energy projection (1-7):
Punisher: 6, 5, 6, 4
Captain : 3, 3, 3, 1
Iron Man: 6, 5, 6, 6
If Steve Rodgers is the epitome of human conditioning why is Frank Castle superior in every way (he is also more intelligent and has equal fighting skills)? According to the official stats his body is on par with the Iron Man armor. And why does Castle have an energy projection score greater than one?

Links below
http://marvel.com/universe/Punisher_(Frank_Castle)
http://marvel.com/universe/Captain_America

 

[Ryotknife]

probably because anything remotely asscotiated with Nathion Fillion makes it 10x better

 

[Fappy]

Those stats look inaccurate to me. I have some of the old books from back when they first started cataloging stats in that system and I remember Frank being much weaker than that. His only notable score was his fighting skill. I can check when I get home.

 

[themyrmidon]

Links added to OP.

 

[Ranorak]

I was looking through the Marvel wiki and noticed something weird.
Official ratings for strength, speed, durability, and energy projection (1-7):
Punisher: 6, 5, 6, 4
Captain : 3, 3, 3, 1
Iron Man: 6, 5, 6, 6
If Steve Rodgers is the epitome of human conditioning why is Frank Castle superior in every way (he is also more intelligent and has equal fighting skills)? According to the official stats his body is on par with the Iron Man armor. And why does Castle have an energy projection score greater than one?

Links below
http://marvel.com/universe/Punisher_(Frank_Castle)
http://marvel.com/universe/Captain_America

why? because he killed all the marvel superheros by himself. twice!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punisher_Kills_the_Marvel_Universe

http://www.comicvine.com/marvel-universe-vs-the-punisher-part-1-last-gun-on-earth/37-227821/


ah, forgot war zone. three times!

How the hell did he kill Wolverine?
Shoot him?
Or is there some background event I'm missing?

 

[Paradoxrifts]

Because he is in many ways the Marvel equivalent to Batman. Right down to his popularity with readers making him far more powerful than he has any real right of being.

But that's superhero comics for you, %60 soap opera and %40 popularity contest.

 

[aba1]

I am a fan of the punisher but he has sorta a batman complex going on where everyone logically is stronger and his skills are in his strategic approach to the situations but drop him in a battle field against ironman and well he isn't going to win and neither would batman unless they had some way to play ahead.

 

[DevilWithaHalo]

I thought it was kind of add that his bio states his fighting skills are significantly inferior to Daredevils but the power levels are the same. Methinks some shinanigans are afoot!

 

[fix-the-spade]

And why does Castle have an energy projection score greater than one?

Most likely to annoy comic nerds.

However, whatever the stats say Ol' Captain is the superior character. Where Castle is more often than not used as an excuse for some kind of violent revenge fantasy, Rodgers is a leader of men.

So would the two ever come to blows, Punisher would find himself on the receiving end of all those loyal to the captain. There, that's my over-think for the day...

 

[Ranorak]

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How the hell did he kill Wolverine?
Shoot him?
Or is there some background event I'm missing?

well the answer would kind of shock you.... *wink*

Wasn't Wolverine tossed into a sun once?
Survived a nuclear blast?

Did he tase him? Bro?

 

[aba1]

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How the hell did he kill Wolverine?
Shoot him?
Or is there some background event I'm missing?

well the answer would kind of shock you.... *wink*

Wasn't Wolverine tossed into a sun once?
Survived a nuclear blast?

Did he tase him? Bro?

Couldn't you suffocate him in order to kill him?

 

[Ranorak]

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How the hell did he kill Wolverine?
Shoot him?
Or is there some background event I'm missing?

well the answer would kind of shock you.... *wink*

Wasn't Wolverine tossed into a sun once?
Survived a nuclear blast?

Did he tase him? Bro?

Couldn't you suffocate him in order to kill him?

Like so many powers and characters, that depends on the writers.
Professor X once said that the only way to kill (and keep him dead) was to remove his head and store it away from it's body.

Brain damage by choking would probably get healed.
But in the end these discussions are (sadly) never-ending and thus useless.
Any writer will make his or her favourite hero win against the others.

Unless we're talking about Spider-man.

 

[Alaster Angelo]

Marvel's stats on wikis and guidebooks are always hilariously inaccurate. Don't believe them.


Oh, and Punisher killing Marvel Earth is non-canon and stupid as all hell. Punisher wouldn't be able to get past Captain America in a straight up fight, and he wouldn't be able to deal with Wolverine if he had preparation.


As for this fight Cap wins. Cap has a nigh-unbreakable shield, and has dealt with bullets before. Cap also has super strength, super agility, and a ridiculous amount of hand-to-hand training and experience.

 

[eevangoh]

That's just ridiculous, must be some kind of mistake. I think Punisher would win if they were to fight (after all, all Cap's got is a shield, and Castle has dealt with shielded enemies before and won), but it would still be a hard fight. I'd give him maybe a point or two in durability of Cap, but that's it. Absolutely every other stat would have to be equal or inferior.

the only way to kill (and keep him dead) was to remove his head and store it away from it's body.

Wouldn't that be impossible? The vertebrae in his neck are still adamantium, thus impossible to destroy.

 

[Ranorak]

That's just ridiculous, must be some kind of mistake. I think Punisher would win if they were to fight (after all, all Cap's got is a shield, and Castle has dealt with shielded enemies before and won), but it would still be a hard fight. I'd give him maybe a point or two in durability of Cap, but that's it. Absolutely every other stat would have to be equal or inferior.

the only way to kill (and keep him dead) was to remove his head and store it away from it's body.

Wouldn't that be impossible? The vertebrae in his neck are still adamantium, thus impossible to destroy.

While the actual neck bones might be adamantium, they're not attached to each other.

Cutting in between them, or ripping with brute force would just tear them apart.

Like so:

(he gets better)

 

[Alaster Angelo]

That's just ridiculous, must be some kind of mistake. I think Punisher would win if they were to fight (after all, all Cap's got is a shield, and Castle has dealt with shielded enemies before and won), but it would still be a hard fight. I'd give him maybe a point or two in durability of Cap, but that's it. Absolutely every other stat would have to be equal or inferior.

Yeah, because it's not like Cap is a super soldier who deals with heavily armed opponents all the time or anything.

 

[eevangoh]

Yeah, because it's not like Cap is a super soldier who deals with heavily armed opponents all the time or anything.

Not with ones like Frank Castle he doesn't.

Punisher is what you'd call a combat pragmatist. He has no qualms with cheating and being unfair; Captain America does. Punisher is also a ruthless ************ who wouldn't think twice to kill someone -- he's done it thousands of times, after all; Cap still has the superheroes-don't-kill rule, if I'm not mistaken.

If Punisher had time to plan and prepare, he'd definitely win. If he didn't, it could go either way, but I'd still bet on Punisher.

 

[Alaster Angelo]

Not with ones like Frank Castle he doesn't.

Punisher is what you'd call a combat pragmatist. He has no qualms with cheating and being unfair; Captain America does. Punisher is also a ruthless ************ who wouldn't think twice to kill someone -- he's done it thousands of times, after all; Cap still has the superheroes-don't-kill rule, if I'm not mistaken.

If Punisher had time to plan and prepare, he'd definitely win. If he didn't, it could go either way, but I'd still bet on Punisher.

Not killing doesn't mean Cap can't beat the shit out of him. Cap is just superior in every way: Knowledge, experience, hand to hand, equipment, strength, agility, strategy, etc. Frank literally has no way to win this fight. You think Cap doesn't fight ruthless opponents who try to kill him by any means necessary on a daily basis?

With prep I'm sure Punisher would win. But if Frank fought the entire Marvel Universe, even with prep, he wouldn't be able to get past Wolverine.