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Why do people say that they won't buy Nintendo consoles for the games, yet want Nintendo to put their games on consoles of their choice? They can't want the games too badly if they're willing to buy a more expensive console (Sony and Microsoft's consoles generally cost more) just to get games they want instead of paying less for the console that has said games. What these people don't realize is that most of Nintendo's profits come from their hardware. If they went third party, Nintendo would lose most of their money.
I dislike the idea of Nintendo going third party and also wish people would stop suggesting it. Having said that, what a terrible way to present this case, even I can shoot it down.

- While Sony and Microsoft have more expensive consoles, people object to buying a Nintendo console IN ADDITION to those. Did you really not see this before now?
- Most of Nintendo's profits come from software license fees or from software itself. They don't make a fortune on hardware anymore, if they ever did.
Nintendo has always made a profit on hardware. I would think that would be common knowledge.
It's not though, because some of us can Google.

Yeah, they're old articles, but since you boldly used the word "always", they still prove you wrong.

You're approaching this whole Nintendo Defence thing all wrong. You're supposed to present us things that we can't disprove with a ten-second web search. Say what you want about the existing Nintendo Defence Force on this site, at least they do THAT much.
Fine. Nintendo has ALMOST always made a profit on their hardware. They made a profit on the NES, the SNES, the N64, the Gamecube, and the Wii.
...but they aren't making particularly significant profits on the current round of consoles, so your claims that:

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What these people don't realize is that most of Nintendo's profits come from their hardware.
...which was the WHOLE POINT of the thread, by the way, are hardly relevant.

You claimed that:

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Nintendo posted a $6 million profit last quarter.
...and that:

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It was probably from the 3DS, which is hardware.
...which we aren't believing at this point. So when you attempt to preach it with this:

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If they went third party, Nintendo would lose most of their money.
...we don't believe you and we argue it.

So why do we want Nintendo's games on different platforms? I've changed my answer: It's because we don't have faith in Nintendo at this point.
 

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What I find funny is how these same people who complain about having to buy Nintendo consoles to play their games yet they turn AROUND and say console exclusives are necessary when it comes to Sony and Microsoft.In short they are hyprocrites and act like Nintendo burned their house down or something with the amount of bashing the company gets.
I've not noticed that. When it comes to the people who hate console exclusives I've seen them decrying Sony for it as well, especially when The Last of Us came out, don't you remember how many people were angry that Sony was "keeping a great game from them." Nintendo and Sony get it a lot, it's just that people don't seem to notice it as much. Heck it was still the same when Journey came out and people were pissed that they couldn't play it unless they had a PS3.

Where's Desert Punk, he can verify this.
 

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What I find funny is how these same people who complain about having to buy Nintendo consoles to play their games yet they turn AROUND and say console exclusives are necessary when it comes to Sony and Microsoft.In short they are hyprocrites and act like Nintendo burned their house down or something with the amount of bashing the company gets.
It's funny, when it comes to exclusives Nintendo is king and further, they are usually the best games on any console. Yet people argue that Nintendo doesn't really need them while the twins do.
 

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Why if I may ask?What has Nintendo done exactly to make you lose faith in them?Sure they fucked up recently with the Youtube thing but what justifies losing faith in a company that makes good games?
That's not enough? People are willing to hang EA around here for giving money to charity. I thought we were SUPPOSED to be unreasonably trigger-happy about who we hate. :D

More seriously, the utter lack of good games not-from-Nintendo on the Wii U isn't helping matters much. I don't want to invest my money in a console that will deliver about three games I want.

Seriously. All that pops to mind is Bayonetta 2 (which isn't out yet).
 

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the hidden eagle said:
What I find funny is how these same people who complain about having to buy Nintendo consoles to play their games yet they turn AROUND and say console exclusives are necessary when it comes to Sony and Microsoft.In short they are hyprocrites and act like Nintendo burned their house down or something with the amount of bashing the company gets.
if you think that Sony never took flak for having exclusives, you've never seen virtually every single thread that tries to talk about TLoU... doubly so when it came game of the year time.

The only real hypocrisy I've ever seen when it came to the exclusivity argument is the mental hoops some gamers jump through to justify demonizing console exclusives while latching onto technicalities to explain away how games exclusive to PC are just a-okay, but at the end of the day I think the driving factor behind all the semantics is the same: we want to play the games we want, on the medium of our choosing. As long as we realize that's a bit outlandish and myopic of an expectation, there's no harm in it.


Back to the subject at hand, though. The thing fans of Nintendo have to understand is that the gaming community loves to instantly jump to extremes. Rough launch? the console is doomed and so is the company that made it! Poor early library? Good luck ever getting rid of that stigma later on, no matter how many games you release!

Ever since the dreamcast gutted Sega, any downturn in a console's life is seen as irrefutable proof of the end of days for that company. It happened with the Xbox, it happened with the PS3, and now it's happening with the WiiU. Don't let the doomseers get you down. a few years down the line, the next generation will have its rough-start release and everyone will move on.

The rest of your post, regarding people who call all nintendo games same-y or bash the system, is just regular old fanboy chest-thumping. The console wars have never been a very mature concept, and the fact that the fanboys are physically older hasn't done much to change the way they're fought.
 

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I did'nt know about that,however someone made a thread a couple of months ago on here arguing that there should'nt be any console exclusives.The common response was "But console exclusives are necessary and they promote competition".Yet I'm sure some of them are the same ones who give Nintendo shit for not having their games on the other platforms.If Nintendo has to give up their exclusives then Sony and Microsoft should do the same thing because I'm tired of this double standard that Nintendo haters have when they complain about Nintendo doing something but they ignore when their favorite company is doing it.
You mean just like how Nintendo fans ignore certain things Nintendo does but will give shit to Microsoft of Sony for doing the exact same thing? No one is innocent in this at all, everyone will defend the console or platform they game on and call shit out on for other ones. What you call "double standards against Nintendo" can also be said as "double standards against Microsoft" or "double standards against Sony."

It all depends on where you go on the internet. Go to a Nintendo forum and Sony and Microsoft get bashed; go to a Microsoft board then Nintendo and Sony get bashed; go to a Sony board and Microsoft and Nintendo get bashed; go to a PC board and pretty much all 3 get bashed.

Edit: As the poster above me said as well, ever since the Dreamcast any faltering in a company instantly instigates the "DOOOOOOMED" mentality, no matter what. Microsoft got it all 3 generations it's been in, Sony got it a shit ton early in the PSP and PS3's days; finally Nintendo's been getting it since the N64 mainly, because the actual sales for each Nintendo console went down as each generation passed. Hell PC gaming has been around for ages and has been "dying" for decades now. This isn't something that's only being said about one company, but is said about all companies in gaming in general.
 

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What would be the benefits of Nintendo going third party? How would it increase their profits?
 

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the hidden eagle said:
lacktheknack said:
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Why if I may ask?What has Nintendo done exactly to make you lose faith in them?Sure they fucked up recently with the Youtube thing but what justifies losing faith in a company that makes good games?
That's not enough? People are willing to hang EA around here for giving money to charity. I thought we were SUPPOSED to be unreasonably trigger-happy about who we hate. :D

More seriously, the utter lack of good games not-from-Nintendo on the Wii U isn't helping matters much. I don't want to invest my money in a console that will deliver about three games I want.

Seriously. All that pops to mind is Bayonetta 2 (which isn't out yet).
EA has such a sour reputation that it's gonna take a long time for people to late go of the hate.It's like being a jerk to your friends and family and then one deciding to be nice to them.They won't forget that your were a jerk and that's the same situation EA is in,they have to consistently be on good behaviour in for their rep to be great again.

Anyway the Wii U is just like every console in the first years of launch,they will have less games and as a result do poorly.But I'm willing to believe it will bounce back once more games come out.
But that's just it: What games?

I literally just looked at the list of anticipated Wii U games on Wikipedia, and the only interesting one that I can't just buy on PC is the aforementioned Bayonetta 2.
 

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What would be the benefits of Nintendo going third party? How would it increase their profits?
Are you failing to quote people or just firing lines into the ether? If it's the second one, that's thread bumping. Don't do that.

Anyway, it would increase their profits because people, such as myself, who don't want to buy their console would still have a chance to buy their games.

I'd totally by the new Smash Brothers game, but I'm not going to shell out for a new console for it.
 

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What would be the benefits of Nintendo going third party? How would it increase their profits?
It might increase their profits to have their games on as many console/handhelds/mobile devices as possible but I believe the quality of the games would decrease.

I have nothing to back up my opinion.
 

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the hidden eagle said:
lacktheknack said:
the hidden eagle said:
lacktheknack said:
the hidden eagle said:
Why if I may ask?What has Nintendo done exactly to make you lose faith in them?Sure they fucked up recently with the Youtube thing but what justifies losing faith in a company that makes good games?
That's not enough? People are willing to hang EA around here for giving money to charity. I thought we were SUPPOSED to be unreasonably trigger-happy about who we hate. :D

More seriously, the utter lack of good games not-from-Nintendo on the Wii U isn't helping matters much. I don't want to invest my money in a console that will deliver about three games I want.

Seriously. All that pops to mind is Bayonetta 2 (which isn't out yet).
EA has such a sour reputation that it's gonna take a long time for people to late go of the hate.It's like being a jerk to your friends and family and then one deciding to be nice to them.They won't forget that your were a jerk and that's the same situation EA is in,they have to consistently be on good behaviour in for their rep to be great again.

Anyway the Wii U is just like every console in the first years of launch,they will have less games and as a result do poorly.But I'm willing to believe it will bounce back once more games come out.
But that's just it: What games?

I literally just looked at the list of anticipated Wii U games on Wikipedia, and the only interesting one that I can't just buy on PC is the aforementioned Bayonetta 2.
Patience is key here,just because there aren't any games coming now does'nt mean there won't be any in the near future.The PS3 went through the same situation when it was released and people actually made a meme of how the PS3 had no games,yet a couple of years later the console had one of the best lineups of this generation.
We'd still expect to hear more things announced for it.

Combine this with some companies claiming to have little interest in the Wii U and I heavily doubt that it's going to get a lineup to compete with the PS3.
 

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Honestly, I'm against the idea of Nintendo dropping out of the console market and going third party, on principle. It speaks poorly of the gaming industry if the one and only company dedicated to gaming, folded and began to make software for the other two companies where console gaming is just one part of them.

I don't see this happening, though. Not while Nintendo is worth billions and not while Nintendo has copious amounts of money in the bank.
 

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the hidden eagle said:
What I find funny is how these same people who complain about having to buy Nintendo consoles to play their games yet they turn AROUND and say console exclusives are necessary when it comes to Sony and Microsoft.In short they are hyprocrites and act like Nintendo burned their house down or something with the amount of bashing the company gets.
Exclusives are important to differentiate the consoles from one another, but third party support is needed on top of that.

Microsoft and Sony have good third party support AND good exclusives. Nintendo don't. There's no hypocrisy about it.
 

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People don't like console exclusivity, simple as that. People may start tolerating Nintendo keeping their titles exclusive if their consoles actually gave decent third-party support, but as of right now, you're left with just buying the console for Nintendo games and not much else. If you want to play all the other games people want, then you need to go with a completely different console. Sure, some people can deal with that (me being one of them), but not everyone can.
No, people loooooove console exclusivity... it just has to be THEIR console.
 

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the hidden eagle said:
Hazy992 said:
the hidden eagle said:
What I find funny is how these same people who complain about having to buy Nintendo consoles to play their games yet they turn AROUND and say console exclusives are necessary when it comes to Sony and Microsoft.In short they are hyprocrites and act like Nintendo burned their house down or something with the amount of bashing the company gets.
Exclusives are important to differentiate the consoles from one another, but third party support is needed on top of that.

Microsoft and Sony have good third party support AND good exclusives. Nintendo don't. There's no hypocrisy about it.
Yes there is hypocrisy,because I don't see people demanding Sony and Microsoft to give up their exclusives or else doom will befall them.Yet Nintendo is the only one who gets such a response for having exclusives.

If you want one company to relinquish their exclusive IPs then the others need to do it as well.Otherwise to demand Nintendo to give up their first party titles or else just reeks of hypocritical fanboyism.
I seem to have misinterpreted what you said before, my mistake.

Apologies.
 

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I think Nintendo works a lot differently then Many devs. So I'm not sure if the same Nintendo Magic would be in the game if it was third party. Wario Ware was made with out the Nintendo heads Knowledge. Could you imagine doing extra work for your company and your, while also creating a New I.P. I think some companies would fire you and take your work
 

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The reason is simple.. if you buy a Nintendo consoles all you'll get is Nintendo games since more and third party developers are rightfully abandoning the Wii U. If you buy a PS3/PS4 or a 360/xbone then you'll get their consoles exclusive games PLUS a ton of great third part games.. I loved Nintendo's older consoles because you get get Mario, Zelda and Metroid games like Metroid Prime or Super Mario World .. but you could also get great 3rd party games like the remake of RE1 on gamecube or Castlevannia on SNES. nowadays you'd only get Nintendo games with a few scattered, badly done ports of games that are not only already on other consoles ,but the port will be inferior to the original versions.
 

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Why do people say that they won't buy Nintendo consoles for the games, yet want Nintendo to put their games on consoles of their choice? They can't want the games too badly if they're willing to buy a more expensive console (Sony and Microsoft's consoles generally cost more) just to get games they want instead of paying less for the console that has said games. What these people don't realize is that most of Nintendo's profits come from their hardware. If they went third party, Nintendo would lose most of their money.
The handful of games that Nintendo puts out during the lifetime of a console are not generally enough to warrant paying for the games AND for a console. If Nintendo produces ten games that you like, then that's something like $30 added to the price of each game. They're good games, but I wouldn't pay $90+ for games, especially not with an up-front cost of $300 (and that's without buying more controllers). It isn't that Nintendo is crap. It's that Nintendo is only one (albeit very big and high quality) development studio. I don't care what studio you are, you aren't enough to make me purchase a console. There's simply too much quality 3rd party stuff on the market, that HAS to be there too. I'd say the same thing about Sony or Microsoft or whomever else if they produced consoles that other publishers didn't make games for (either because of the console being weak or lack of agreements).

So what I usually do is wait for about four years into the cycle before buying the console. Then I get the console and the first four years of games at a reduced cost. It all then sort of evens out in the end.

Getting those games on other consoles would enable me to get all my desired entertainment at one price and in one place. As is, the Wii and WiiU are a hassle to purchase and to allow to take up space in my living room. They have tremendously little 3rd party support and the WiiU has been absolutely terrible with first party launches this time around compared with other consoles. They've done a few really good ones but 3 or 4 titles isn't nearly enough through the first year after launch. At launch, sure, but not the entire year after the launch and several months. I think Sony and Microsoft had a really weak offering at the start of their launch. If they're the same way by the end of next year I'll be harping on them too. But I've seen the games Sony at least has planned for the first year and it swallows WiiU's actual performance whole. If they can deliver, then shame on Nintendo and they'll lose my position of best development studio to Sony. Sony has been gaining a lot of ground there since the ps1. If I were honest I'd say Sony already produces more games I want to buy and play. Would I prefer a game like The Last of Us to New Super Mario Bros U? Yeah, yeah I would. But Nintendo is holding on by the thinnest thread of nostalgia and I think this generation will conquer it if nothing much changes.

Within the same amount of time after the Wii's launch (2006-2007)they had Wii Sports/play/fit, Zelda, WarioWare smooth moves, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Strikers Charged (if you care about that game at all, I'm just including Nintendo games with high 70 metas or better), Battalion Wars 2, Fire Emblem, Super Paper Mario, Mario Party 8 and even a few low quality cash grabs (Donkey Kong Barrel Blast, Link's Crossbow Training and Pokemon Battle Revolution). All of this was bolstered by an innovative control scheme that even the elderly could easily pick up(which is no longer new and the gamepad isn't cutting it) and they had decent 3rd party support with games that weren't necessarily good but were a draw like Red Steel and No More Heroes. The WiiU just isn't cutting the muster and I think the reason is that they thought all those big name ported games would sell huge. But they didn't because they'd all been out for months by the time the WiiU launched.
 

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Lightknight said:
VG_Addict said:
Why do people say that they won't buy Nintendo consoles for the games, yet want Nintendo to put their games on consoles of their choice? They can't want the games too badly if they're willing to buy a more expensive console (Sony and Microsoft's consoles generally cost more) just to get games they want instead of paying less for the console that has said games. What these people don't realize is that most of Nintendo's profits come from their hardware. If they went third party, Nintendo would lose most of their money.
The handful of games that Nintendo puts out during the lifetime of a console are not generally enough to warrant paying for the games AND for a console. If Nintendo produces ten games that you like, then that's something like $30 added to the price of each game. They're good games, but I wouldn't pay $90+ for games, especially not with an up-front cost of $300 (and that's without buying more controllers). It isn't that Nintendo is crap. It's that Nintendo is only one (albeit very big and high quality) development studio. I don't care what studio you are, you aren't enough to make me purchase a console. There's simply too much quality 3rd party stuff on the market, that HAS to be there too. I'd say the same thing about Sony or Microsoft or whomever else if they produced consoles that other publishers didn't make games for (either because of the console being weak or lack of agreements).

So what I usually do is wait for about four years into the cycle before buying the console. Then I get the console and the first four years of games at a reduced cost. It all then sort of evens out in the end.

Getting those games on other consoles would enable me to get all my desired entertainment at one price and in one place. As is, the Wii and WiiU are a hassle to purchase and to allow to take up space in my living room. They have tremendously little 3rd party support and the WiiU has been absolutely terrible with first party launches this time around compared with other consoles. They've done a few really good ones but 3 or 4 titles isn't nearly enough through the first year after launch. At launch, sure, but not the entire year after the launch and several months. I think Sony and Microsoft had a really weak offering at the start of their launch. If they're the same way by the end of next year I'll be harping on them too. But I've seen the games Sony at least has planned for the first year and it swallows WiiU's actual performance whole. If they can deliver, then shame on Nintendo and they'll lose my position of best development studio to Sony. Sony has been gaining a lot of ground there since the ps1. If I were honest I'd say Sony already produces more games I want to buy and play. Would I prefer a game like The Last of Us to New Super Mario Bros U? Yeah, yeah I would. But Nintendo is holding on by the thinnest thread of nostalgia and I think this generation will conquer it if nothing much changes.

Within the same amount of time after the Wii's launch (2006-2007)they had Wii Sports/play/fit, Zelda, WarioWare smooth moves, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Strikers Charged (if you care about that game at all, I'm just including Nintendo games with high 70 metas or better), Battalion Wars 2, Fire Emblem, Super Paper Mario, Mario Party 8 and even a few low quality cash grabs (Donkey Kong Barrel Blast, Link's Crossbow Training and Pokemon Battle Revolution). All of this was bolstered by an innovative control scheme that even the elderly could easily pick up(which is no longer new and the gamepad isn't cutting it) and they had decent 3rd party support with games that weren't necessarily good but were a draw like Red Steel and No More Heroes. The WiiU just isn't cutting the muster and I think the reason is that they thought all those big name ported games would sell huge. But they didn't because they'd all been out for months by the time the WiiU launched.
So, do most of you think Nintendo SHOULD go third party?

I think the Wii U's 2014 lineup looks good, with X, Bayonetta 2, DCKTF, Smash Bros, and MK8.
 

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No, people loooooove console exclusivity... it just has to be THEIR console.
True, and THEIR console basically has to be a stripped down PC with little to nothing to differentiate itself from the competition. Seriously, what exactly IS the point with consoles if they're mistakenly trying to emulate PCs? They're never going to BE PCs, so best to just drop the idea.