Question of the Day, Feb. 20, 2010
- Thread starter Susan Arendt
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This is something that bothers me.... cheating isn't a big deal. Is that why students get upset when I kick them out of my class for blatant cheating on tests? I'm supposed to give you a grade for copying someone else's answers onto your paper? Ok... you still get an F, without option to repeat.Macar said:
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On topic: It's not exploitation if "using" the bug isn't intentional. Examples: during the boss fight you stumble on that small area where he can't see/hit you, or while button mashing just happen to hit the right sequence to immediately clear the level. It IS cheating if you find a bug that lets you walk through walls and then use it repeatedly...Example: to get a better time on your speed run.
I'd say no, if it's for a single player game, like say the 'Vanish, Doom' trick to get ex in FFVI. It doesn't d any harm, and you don't have to use it if you find it unsatisfying.
However, exploiting a bug or cheating in a multiplayer environment would make me rage quit.
However, exploiting a bug or cheating in a multiplayer environment would make me rage quit.
I see where you're coming from, but with regards to tests I think it's kind of different. People actually go out and buy games, so generally the only person they're cheating is themselves. If we're talking about multiplayer however; I feel it's more of a serious issue because it's affecting other people's experience.thatlaurachick said:
Also - teacher playing games? Very cool. Hats off to you madam.
I discovered an exploit in Sims 3 which I used on my guy but I don't feel like I'm cheating. I'm just not being an idiot (excluding the fact that I'm actually playing Sims of course). Once you have level 10 painting, you just start a large painting, cancel, continue, cancel, continue. Every time you continue painting, you finish the next section of the picture. As a result, you can complete a large painting worth around 5k average in about 5 game minutes. In 5 real minutes you can make at least 50k.
Note: There is an actual cheat code to use to give yourself 50k.
Point is, the exploit is a part of the normal game that you don't have to cheat to use it. It's not my fault that it's there and ignoring it is silly. Not explaining my opinion very well but oh well.
Note: There is an actual cheat code to use to give yourself 50k.
Point is, the exploit is a part of the normal game that you don't have to cheat to use it. It's not my fault that it's there and ignoring it is silly. Not explaining my opinion very well but oh well.
Taking advantage of a bug is cheating, especially if it is in an online, multiplayer game.
It isn't so bad for singleplayer games, unless they are just using the bug to, say, get achievements on a 360 game. That is basically farming gamerscore.
It isn't so bad for singleplayer games, unless they are just using the bug to, say, get achievements on a 360 game. That is basically farming gamerscore.
I voted no, because there wasn't a "depends" but there was an "if it..".
Taking advantage of a bug/mistake in a public multiplayer game is not something I agree with. If you use it to beat your opponent then you've proven nothing at all. If you exploited an MMO, for example, to get thousands of gold in seconds then you risk harming your server's economy and it's generally a direct breach of any form of play policy. It's not big, it's not clever and it doesn't gain you anything. Example would be Ensidia/Exodus, two of the top guilds in the world at WoW. Both guilds have negative reputation for possibly/admitting to using bug exploits to get their world firsts.
If it's multiplayer but on a private server with friends, then I don't think it's as harmful (e.g. everyone has the best guns) and it's just a bit of fun. You're not affecting anyone or causing any ill harm.
If it's single player and you're using a bug to circumvent another bug then I don't really see much of a problem. You're only cheating yourself at the end of the day. Whilst not a bug itself, I used the console to give myself items in Fallout 3 (Nuka Cola Quantum, Bottlecap Mines as an example) if I knew I either couldn't get them anymore or I just didn't want to spend hours retracking my steps to get the items I need. I've not, however, used it to give myself items that I cannot find (e.g. weapons in the game files that are unattainable) or to make myself more powerful.
Would GTA be as much fun post-completion without the cheats/bugs? No, I don't think it would.
Taking advantage of a bug/mistake in a public multiplayer game is not something I agree with. If you use it to beat your opponent then you've proven nothing at all. If you exploited an MMO, for example, to get thousands of gold in seconds then you risk harming your server's economy and it's generally a direct breach of any form of play policy. It's not big, it's not clever and it doesn't gain you anything. Example would be Ensidia/Exodus, two of the top guilds in the world at WoW. Both guilds have negative reputation for possibly/admitting to using bug exploits to get their world firsts.
If it's multiplayer but on a private server with friends, then I don't think it's as harmful (e.g. everyone has the best guns) and it's just a bit of fun. You're not affecting anyone or causing any ill harm.
If it's single player and you're using a bug to circumvent another bug then I don't really see much of a problem. You're only cheating yourself at the end of the day. Whilst not a bug itself, I used the console to give myself items in Fallout 3 (Nuka Cola Quantum, Bottlecap Mines as an example) if I knew I either couldn't get them anymore or I just didn't want to spend hours retracking my steps to get the items I need. I've not, however, used it to give myself items that I cannot find (e.g. weapons in the game files that are unattainable) or to make myself more powerful.
Would GTA be as much fun post-completion without the cheats/bugs? No, I don't think it would.
Depends, but I voted no. I wouldn't abuse a bug for online competitive multiplayer, but I would to forward a game's completion.
Yes it is. If it's a single-player part of the game, it's fine. If it's the multiplayer part of the game it is unacceptable. You have an unfair advantage towards others.
If whoever designed the game didn't take into account that he/she made or could make a mistake and didn't doublecheck, the bug is fair game to be exploited by the people playing. Someone has to be the smarter one in this equation and if it happens to be the gamer more power to them.....
It's not cheating. It's taking advantage. Bugs are the reason that Beta's are made and testers are hired. If a bug slips through the cracks, it's their own fault.
In multiplayer, if it's a bug you've deliberately made use of (thus giving you an unfair advantage against others), then yes. If it's an accident, then no, and if it's single player, then who cares?