That last is almost one of the recognised theories - apart from the 'Earth losing momentum' bit, cos that's just silly. IIRC, the Earth's orbit is slightly elliptical, and some of the global temperature rise has been boosted by a slight closening of the Earth's orbit. However, the increase in temp is too great to have come from just that. There are many affecting factors - no-one is denying that.Assassin Xaero said:Wicky_42 said:So you honestly believe that we have had no impact on the world? Why?Assassin Xaero said:Yeah, sure they've "proved" global warming, and they've also "disproved" it. If it was actually proven, then there wouldn't be an argument, now would there? You've stated no evidence of science that backs up anything. All I've gotten from this is "they said it was going to be colder this year and it was, there for they are right about everything". If I found a piece of wood that was from the Trojan Horse would that mean the entire Iliad was true? No. Like I said, talking to someone that believes in god. They just listen to what others say without the ability to think for themselves.Wicky_42 said:Mate, it's the same from here, only you're putting blind faith in nature and humanity, ignoring evidence and science. I mean, who cares what the world's experts have to say, right? It's probably just a conspiracy to make everyone scared, right? Yeah - cos that's what scientists do.Assassin Xaero said:They have proved the the temperatures gradually go up then back down over time. The same dumbasses going on about global warming now were going on about an ice age back in the 70's. Sure, I wasn't alive back then, but I guess I missed that in the history books. But, I give up. It is like trying to talk to someone who believes in god...Wicky_42 said:Ah, so the fact that we have increased a known global environment-changing gas to THREE TIMES the quantity it has been during ANY historic event, that there have been a number of un-seasonal weather events and climate changes that scientists have predicted have occurred, you're still denying that anything is happening because scientists call it climate change, whilst initially politicians referred to it as climate change a couple of years back?!Assassin Xaero said:Record lows here too, but still, you are missing the point. The climate is always changing and global warming was a load of shit. You even said so yourself. If it was real and wasn't shit, why would they need to change the name to something else? Something that has been going on since the beginning of time?Wicky_42 said:Or perhaps climate change is a reference to the impact our industrious nature is having on a global ecological scale, rather than scientists being worried about night time or the majority of the world's scientists being in on some terror conspiracy. We've what, tripled the previous atmospheric carbon dioxide level record for all time in this planet's history, and CO2 is a basic greenhouse gas. Lets put 1 and 1 together and think, for a second, that perhaps that's going to have an impact. There's plenty of other material for discussion, but as a basic first step, that should be enough to get you started.Assassin Xaero said:Umm, smart one, climate change implies that at one time the climate WASN'T changing. Scientist just say that it is climate change now because they realized it was getting colder and didn't want to look like dumbasses to those who have enough of a brain to think for themselves. The climate is ALWAYS changing... oh wait... oh fsm, it is getting darker outside, and later in the day! Oh shit, we need to take action against global darkening and global time change before it is too late!Wicky_42 said:Dude, that's why it's called 'climate change' by scientists - it's not about EVERYWHERE getting hotter. God, someone would think you didn't even know what you were talking about...Assassin Xaero said:Years ago, maybe 5-6, it was 70+*F on January 1st, and I was out mowing my yard. Nobody was going on about global warming then, and ever since then, it has gotten gradually colder. This winter, it has snowed three times, when we usually get nothing. Over the summer, it got about 80* for a week, then never went past that when it is usually 90+* for a few months. It is going to take a lot more then some shit Al Gore can come up with to get me to believe in global warming.wasalp said:you obviously have not been where I live...in canada...it was 10 celsius yesterday...Assassin Xaero said:I like how everyone is saying "cloaking device", when it is a "game technology" poll and pretty much every cloaking device in games only makes you invisible to the "untrained" eye. Gravity gun would be pretty fun and make it easier to move/lift stuff around when moving. Start a moving business and make a ton...
Only practical use I can think of for power armor is hunting down Al Gore and punching him in the face for being a moron. Global warming my ass. Ever since they start spreading around that bunch of lies it has gotten gradually colder every year. Not to mention the people that still go on about it being a problem make me laugh and lose any respect at all for them.
They predicted that the weather would be significantly colder in the UK for a couple of years, then temperatures would begin to rise and guess what? 30 year record lows in temperature this Winter. Just because you weren't listening doesn't mean they didn't call it.
On the grounds of a re-branding of the threat, you're going to play sceptic? Wow, that's a well thought-out position, congratulations! Perhaps it's you who's missing the point.
And I didn't say 'global warming was a load of shit' - on a global scale that is indeed the case. Global temperature rises have caused the receding of the ice caps and collapses of ice shelves and permafrost. Islands are getting flooded as sea levels rise. So, theoretically these could be purely natural occurrences, but none the less the climate is changing and we have changed the balance.
Because I've heard that science says that there is global warming. Science says that there isn't global warming. Science says that either 80% or 95% (don't remember which I heard) of the green house gases in the atmosphere is caused by water vapors. Science says that there are more volcanoes now that are causing it some shit to go up into the atmosphere causing it. Science said there was going to be an ice age back in the 70's. Science says that the Native Americans produced more CO2 into the atmosphere with their... erm... slash and burn tactics or whatever it was called that they used to burn down the forest when moving from place to place than we (United States) did during the entire industrial revolution. Science says that Pluto is no longer a planet...
As you've probably noticed, some of those are obviously false and contradicting. I've learned that science is biased and they will even lie to get money, like most everyone else. What I've come to realize is that when neither party can state their side with valid proof, then the only thing I can trust is my own understanding. Same thing applies to religion with me, the whole concept of "God" is just too illogical and contradicting for me to believe in.
My theory with the whole world warming up and getting colder could have possibly been due to the Earth's orbit. Who said that it stays in the exact same place while orbiting? Who ever said it couldn't drift closer to the sun, causing it to get warmer, or further way, causing it to get colder? If over the past 2,000 years it has been gradually getting warmer, then maybe the Earth is slowly losing momentum and is gradually drifting closer to the sun causing the Earth's atmosphere to warm up.
The important point to take away is that we are one of them. The simple fact that we have been burning natural oil reserves alone is testament to that: those reserves represent millennia's worth of plant growth locking up carbon from the atmosphere, sealing it underground. In just a century we have burned a RIDICULOUS amount of it.
Couple in intensive cattle farming (and the associated methane production), industrial rice growing (which also produces a lot of methane), and a host of other factors and you start to see how much humans have contributed to changing the climate.
Of course, there are titanic natural contributions - warm seas releasing carbon dioxide, methane swamps thawing over in Russia somewhere etc - but largely these seem to escalate climate changes, rather than be the cause for them.
Perhaps it's too late to change anything, and we should just sit back and hope there's enough generations between now and global catastrophe that we don't have to worry. Or perhaps we could address what we KNOW to be worsening the problem, and seek ways to preserve the world in the life-supporting state it is in now.