Quick question regarding Warhammer: Total War?

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Asking anyone who has been following the game and its regarding the whole Warriors of Chaos Pre-order/DLC.

I have been looking at the Warhammer Fantasy lore for a bit and I did my research on the Chaos faction and I know that Chaos is divided into 4 gods, Khonre (Tradtional Red Daemon/Devil) Tzeentch (Lovecraftian style daemon) Nurgle (Daemon of Filth and Disgustingness) and Slaanesh (Succubi demon)

My question is the Warrior of Chaos faction represent one of the Chaos Gods? Because so far I am getting Khorne vibes from them in their trailer.


So are these Warriors followers of only Khorne? Why I think so is because I played the 40k Dawn of War game and its Chaos faction uses mostly Khorne-inspired daemons and powers.

 

[Elfgore]

All Chaos units are Chaos Undivided, that weird symbol you see on all of their shields is their symbol. They worship all of the chaos gods pantheon. Knowing the people who make the game, those will most likely be DLC!

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

All Chaos units are Chaos Undivided, that weird symbol you see on all of their shields is their symbol. They worship all of the chaos gods pantheon. Knowing the people who make the game, those will most likely be DLC!

So the Chaos Warriors in this Pre Order DLC represent all Chaos, the worship all 4 of the evil gods? I see now.

And I am aware that their are Daemons of Chaos units. Personally if they do come as future DLC I would only get the Daemons of Khorne because they have Bloodthirsters and Daemon Princes of Khorne and after Playing Dawn of War 1 why the fuck do I want to play with unusual looking Daemons of Tzeentch? Fat and Slow Daemons of Nurgle, and Fragile Looking Daemons of Slaanesh.

Khorne Daemons have Skarbrand.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skarbrand-Bloodthirster

 

[DefunctTheory]

As Elfgore said, it's Chaos Undivided.

Lore wise, while Chaos Undivided largely follows all the Chaos Gods, individuals within it can often lean towards a particular God, but that's not always reflected in the Army itself. I haven't been paying too much attention...

Spoiler: Automatic No-Go

But it's possible there may be a unit or two in the Chaos faction that, while part of Chaos Undivided, are actually quite dedicated to one God. That wont be reflected by the Army as a whole though.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

As Elfgore said, it's Chaos Undivided.

Lore wise, while Chaos Undivided largely follows all the Chaos Gods, individuals within it can often lean towards a particular God, but that's not always reflected in the Army itself. I haven't been paying too much attention...

Spoiler: Automatic No-Go

But it's possible there may be a unit or two in the Chaos faction that, while part of Chaos Undivided, are actually quite dedicated to one God. That wont be reflected by the Army as a whole though.

Question, what's the name of that perticular creature on the picture?

 

[DefunctTheory]

As Elfgore said, it's Chaos Undivided.

Lore wise, while Chaos Undivided largely follows all the Chaos Gods, individuals within it can often lean towards a particular God, but that's not always reflected in the Army itself. I haven't been paying too much attention...

Spoiler: Automatic No-Go

But it's possible there may be a unit or two in the Chaos faction that, while part of Chaos Undivided, are actually quite dedicated to one God. That wont be reflected by the Army as a whole though.

Question, what's the name of that perticular creature on the picture?

It's probably a Bull Centaur.

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That or a really mutated Chaos Champion.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I have been looking at the Warhammer Fantasy lore for a bit and I did my research on the Chaos faction and I know that Chaos is divided into 4 gods, Khonre (Tradtional Red Daemon/Devil) Tzeentch (Lovecraftian style daemon) Nurgle (Daemon of Filth and Disgustingness) and Slaanesh (Succubi demon)

Not quite...Khorne is about blood and savagery and chopping people's heads off, usually with an axe. Only red because that is the colour of blood. Khornate daemons are mindless brutes. They seem to get more air time because they are nice and straightforward and most obviously militant.

Tzeentch is Lovecraftian in that it's about bizarre and convoluted and long term plans. Tzeentch does mutate people into Lovecraftian looking monsters more than the others, but they all do that. Nurgle is associated with plague, and many writers keep struggling to come up with good reasons for why people would worship such a deity, which gets ignored by other writers. Slaanesh...less traditional succubi and more the awful type of Rule34 stuff that people never admit to liking but still exists in large amounts.

I want to know is this WHFB stuff, or Age of Sigmar?

 

[Elfgore]

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That guy is actually Kholek Suneater, the strongest of the Dragon Ogres. He also falls into worshipping all of the Chaos gods, I believe.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

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That guy is actually Kholek Suneater, the strongest of the Dragon Ogres. He also falls into worshipping all of the Chaos gods, I believe.

He reminds me alot of the Pit Lords of Warcraft:

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I have been looking at the Warhammer Fantasy lore for a bit and I did my research on the Chaos faction and I know that Chaos is divided into 4 gods, Khonre (Tradtional Red Daemon/Devil) Tzeentch (Lovecraftian style daemon) Nurgle (Daemon of Filth and Disgustingness) and Slaanesh (Succubi demon)

Not quite...Khorne is about blood and savagery and chopping people's heads off, usually with an axe. Only red because that is the colour of blood. Khornate daemons are mindless brutes. They seem to get more air time because they are nice and straightforward and most obviously militant.

Tzeentch is Lovecraftian in that it's about bizarre and convoluted and long term plans. Tzeentch does mutate people into Lovecraftian looking monsters more than the others, but they all do that. Nurgle is associated with plague, and many writers keep struggling to come up with good reasons for why people would worship such a deity, which gets ignored by other writers. Slaanesh...less traditional succubi and more the awful type of Rule34 stuff that people never admit to liking but still exists in large amounts.

I want to know is this WHFB stuff, or Age of Sigmar?

I know that about Khorne and the Khorne Daemons still look like the classical portrayal of Demons:

 

[DefunctTheory]

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That guy is actually Kholek Suneater, the strongest of the Dragon Ogres. He also falls into worshipping all of the Chaos gods, I believe.

I bow to your superior Warhammer knowledge.

Well, I would, anyway. My backs acting up today.

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That guy is actually Kholek Suneater, the strongest of the Dragon Ogres. He also falls into worshipping all of the Chaos gods, I believe.

He reminds me alot of the Pit Lords of Warcraft:

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Well... you do know where Warcraft comes from, I assume...

Nurgle is associated with plague, and many writers keep struggling to come up with good reasons for why people would worship such a deity, which gets ignored by other writers.

This is always bizarre, since it seems obvious - Would you rather have a disease, or be the disease? That's pretty much the question most Nurgle worshipers are faced with before the worship starts.

 

[kris40k]

Nurgle is associated with plague, and many writers keep struggling to come up with good reasons for why people would worship such a deity, which gets ignored by other writers. Slaanesh...less traditional succubi and more the awful type of Rule34 stuff that people never admit to liking but still exists in large amounts.

I want to know is this WHFB stuff, or Age of Sigmar?

WHFB. The game was in development well before the AoS shit destroyed everything.

As far as Nurgle goes, my take on it, and what I've used in my 40k RPGs (which is of course 40k and not WHF, but close enough for this discussion) is that worshipers of Nurgle have fallen mad due to the understanding of mortality, the infinite existence of Chaos, and the resulting nihilism and fatalism that sets in, and in a circular pattern, comes around as a bit of a crazed happiness in seeing the work of Nurgle spread.

Basically:

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  Everyone is going to die. Simple enough concept; every* adult knows this, especially everyone in the Warhammer Fantasy/40k settings.
  
  Chaos is infinite. No matter how many we destroy, how hard we push back, the forces of Chaos are endless and will never stop. While humanity's fleets can be shattered, army's crushed, and our worlds or lands can burn, no matter what we do, there will always be more daemons. We can not "take the fight to them" and win. We can only hold out a little bit longer.
  
  Nurgle's touch will eventually touch all, and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do to stop that. Everyone dies, and your body will rot; your monuments will crumble and your cities will eventually turn to dust.

So, with that in mind, a cultist accepts that Nurgle will eventually win no matter what, and as such is driven mad and becomes not despondent or suicidal[footnote]at least those who survive or avoid a suicidal phase[/footnote], but a gleeful agent of Grandfather Nurgle, spreading his touch as far and wide as possible.

Slaanesh? Short version, more of a Hellraiser Cenobyte'ish application of pleasure and pain. Sex, violence, and all things in-between. They have such sights to show you.

Which, you know, has some merit to it...

 

[Frankster]

Looks to me like they are undivided allright. And the chaos gods tend to have a dim view of those who don't pick sides.

Regarding the 4 gods and the areas they touch.. Alfabusa had a really good vid on this topic, basically the 4 gods represent important aspects of life, but due to the nature of the warp they got twisted into the hellish entities they are now.

But really, Nurgle is about the cycle of life and is nature incarnate.
Tzeenth is progress and innovation.
Khorne is honor and survival of the fittest.
Slaneesh is about the pleasures that keep us going in life.

If anyone has any questions about 40k lore and nature of chaos gods, just watch these 3 vids:

This vid covers general 40k lore prior to the Imperium

This vid covers rise of the God Emperor of Mankind

This vid covers the 4 chaos gods

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Looks to me like they are undivided allright. And the chaos gods tend to have a dim view of those who don't pick sides.

Regarding the 4 gods and the areas they touch.. Alfabusa had a really good vid on this topic, basically the 4 gods represent important aspects of life, but due to the nature of the warp they got twisted into the hellish entities they are now.

But really, Nurgle is about the cycle of life and is nature incarnate.
Tzeenth is progress and innovation.
Khorne is honor and survival of the fittest.
Slaneesh is about the pleasures that keep us going in life.

If anyone has any questions about 40k lore and nature of chaos gods, just watch these 3 vids:

This vid covers general 40k lore prior to the Imperium

This vid covers rise of the God Emperor of Mankind

This vid covers the 4 chaos gods

But we are talking aboout Warhammer FFantasy, not 40k.

And again this showcases how overexposed 40k is compared to the more underatted Fantasy.

I mean shit was Dawn of War 1 really that popular when it came out?

 

[DefunctTheory]

Looks to me like they are undivided allright. And the chaos gods tend to have a dim view of those who don't pick sides.

Regarding the 4 gods and the areas they touch.. Alfabusa had a really good vid on this topic, basically the 4 gods represent important aspects of life, but due to the nature of the warp they got twisted into the hellish entities they are now.

But really, Nurgle is about the cycle of life and is nature incarnate.
Tzeenth is progress and innovation.
Khorne is honor and survival of the fittest.
Slaneesh is about the pleasures that keep us going in life.

If anyone has any questions about 40k lore and nature of chaos gods, just watch these 3 vids:

Spoiler

This vid covers general 40k lore prior to the Imperium

This vid covers rise of the God Emperor of Mankind

This vid covers the 4 chaos gods

But we are talking aboout Warhammer FFantasy, not 40k.

And again this showcases how overexposed 40k is compared to the more underatted Fantasy.

I mean shit was Dawn of War 1 really that popular when it came out?

All together, Dawn of War 1 (Along with it's 'Expansions') sold about 7 million copies. That's not too shabby for an RTS that doesn't have Craft in the name.

And fantasy has long been marred in obscurity. I think it suffers because it's not as over the top as 40K is, and, though many 40K fans would probably hate to admit it, Space Marines.

Vermintide has probably done more to alleviate Warhammer Regular's unpopularity than Total War will, selling a grand total of 500,000 copies at last check. Total War may sell more, but a lot of that will be because it's a Total War game.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Looks to me like they are undivided allright. And the chaos gods tend to have a dim view of those who don't pick sides.

Regarding the 4 gods and the areas they touch.. Alfabusa had a really good vid on this topic, basically the 4 gods represent important aspects of life, but due to the nature of the warp they got twisted into the hellish entities they are now.

But really, Nurgle is about the cycle of life and is nature incarnate.
Tzeenth is progress and innovation.
Khorne is honor and survival of the fittest.
Slaneesh is about the pleasures that keep us going in life.

If anyone has any questions about 40k lore and nature of chaos gods, just watch these 3 vids:

Spoiler

This vid covers general 40k lore prior to the Imperium

This vid covers rise of the God Emperor of Mankind

This vid covers the 4 chaos gods

But we are talking aboout Warhammer FFantasy, not 40k.

And again this showcases how overexposed 40k is compared to the more underatted Fantasy.

I mean shit was Dawn of War 1 really that popular when it came out?

All together, Dawn of War 1 (Along with it's 'Expansions') sold about 7 million copies. That's not too shabby for an RTS that doesn't have Craft in the name.

And fantasy has long been marred in obscurity. I think it suffers because it's not as over the top as 40K is, and, though many 40K fans would probably hate to admit it, Space Marines.

Vermintide has probably done more to alleviate Warhammer Regular's unpopularity than Total War will, selling a grand total of 500,000 copies at last check. Total War may sell more, but a lot of that will be because it's a Total War game.

If I have to make the comparison.

Warhammer Fantasy is Superman.

Warhammer 40,000 is Batman

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Admittedly I'm more of a 40k fan because I literally adopted it after getting tired of LoTR, Warcraft and other Fantasy genres.

I'm also not that more of a Total War Fan. But I've been leaning towards this because.. yeah, It's Warhammer..

And yes, I came to the party late, and I'm watching some Battle Reports and seeing the pretty decent power and battle system. In fact, remove decent. I think I like the Battle System more than 40k tabletop.

And I've seen all the reasons why Age of Sigmar sucks. And after learning about the differences and how games can be over after turn one because of how overpowered some models are and how some rules just don't even make sense.

I still am digging on Age of Sigmar at least Lore wise. Simply because in all of media... I'm simply tired of evil always being Uber and getting all the best kit, focus and whatever. I like the Retro feeling of the Forces battling Evil (can't say they're 'Good') actually being a match instead of a scruffy group of people who need a whole lot of luck.

Will I ever play Age of Sigmar? No. But I like Stormcast the same reason people like Chaos. I like my side to have a little power.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

All Chaos units are Chaos Undivided, that weird symbol you see on all of their shields is their symbol. They worship all of the chaos gods pantheon. Knowing the people who make the game, those will most likely be DLC!

Hell its not just the game devs, its GW's policy to set your wallet on fire and siphon your bank account to have a viable army...

 

[Frankster]

But we are talking aboout Warhammer FFantasy, not 40k.

And again this showcases how overexposed 40k is compared to the more underatted Fantasy.

I mean shit was Dawn of War 1 really that popular when it came out?

Eugh I'm dumb, I intended to only link the chaos god vids (they are same in both fantasy and 40k), but I was also talking with a friend on 40k stuff whilst writing post and searching for those vid links, so by the time I was wrapping up the post I somewhat forgot this was fantasy only and figured if this dude was a neophyte for 40k lore, might as well link them other vids too!

Moral of story: write your posts in 1 go or else you end up losing the point of what you were originally writing.

But yes, warhammer has always been overshadowed by its 40k counterpart for whatever reason.
I remember when I was one of those little kids who walked into a GW store for the first time, I was immediately directed to 40k and Spehs Mehreens, Fantasy were more for the older players of the store.

Spoiler: 2nd edition cover is what sucked me in

Only really got into warhammer after, and grew to like the setting because people have to figure out how to kill friggin greater daemons with sword and pike.

Spoiler: OMFG and I thought guardsmen in 40k had balls of steel

And double yes, Dawn of War 1 was crazy popular and even today there's still a good multiplayer community.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

While the army is Undivided, the specialty units will be of a particular faith, Tzeentch sorcerers for example. At least that's how it's been with previous GW games. In 'Mark Of Chaos' you could assign Champions of a specific God to lead certain units, they would confer buffs based of their type.