Quick question regarding Warhammer: Total War?

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

But we are talking aboout Warhammer FFantasy, not 40k.

And again this showcases how overexposed 40k is compared to the more underatted Fantasy.

I mean shit was Dawn of War 1 really that popular when it came out?

Eugh I'm dumb, I intended to only link the chaos god vids (they are same in both fantasy and 40k), but I was also talking with a friend on 40k stuff whilst writing post and searching for those vid links, so by the time I was wrapping up the post I somewhat forgot this was fantasy only and figured if this dude was a neophyte for 40k lore, might as well link them other vids too!

Moral of story: write your posts in 1 go or else you end up losing the point of what you were originally writing.

But yes, warhammer has always been overshadowed by its 40k counterpart for whatever reason.
I remember when I was one of those little kids who walked into a GW store for the first time, I was immediately directed to 40k and Spehs Mehreens, Fantasy were more for the older players of the store.

Spoiler: 2nd edition cover is what sucked me in

Only really got into warhammer after, and grew to like the setting because people have to figure out how to kill friggin greater daemons with sword and pike.

Spoiler: OMFG and I thought guardsmen in 40k had balls of steel

And double yes, Dawn of War 1 was crazy popular and even today there's still a good multiplayer community.

I played Dawn of War 1 for the first time last year.

The game was good...but my main issue with it is that for the most part the units are the exact samething.

I mean all factions for example has the exact same Jetpack wearing jumper unit.

Sisters of Battle has the Living Saint while Forces of Chaos has the Daemon Prince.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

I played Dawn of War 1 for the first time last year.

The game was good...but my main issue with it is that for the most part the units are the exact samething.

I mean all factions for example has the exact same Jetpack wearing jumper unit.

Guard and Necrons don't have jump troops. IIRC DE had jump troops, but they weren't close assault based. Come to think of it, I don't think Eldar have jump troops in DoW either.

The game's 12 years old and still holds up relatively well, especially with the UA THB mod and various other bits and graphically the art style still looks decent despite it's age.
DoW really did a lot for GW, it brought a whole new bunch of consumers to 40K who had never played tabletop and helped spread it around the internet.

Regarding 40K being more popular, Fantasy has always been a bit more generic and already had well established competitors in the fantasy dice rolling stakes. When 40K came out there wasn't really anything else much like it. Sure it cribbed little bits from all over the place but it mixed them together into something that was very much its own thing.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I played Dawn of War 1 for the first time last year.

The game was good...but my main issue with it is that for the most part the units are the exact samething.

I mean all factions for example has the exact same Jetpack wearing jumper unit.

Guard and Necrons don't have jump troops. IIRC DE had jump troops, but they weren't close assault based. Come to think of it, I don't think Eldar have jump troops in DoW either.

The game's 12 years old and still holds up relatively well, especially with the UA THB mod and various other bits and graphically the art style still looks decent despite it's age.
DoW really did a lot for GW, it brought a whole new bunch of consumers to 40K who had never played tabletop and helped spread it around the internet.

Regarding 40K being more popular, Fantasy has always been a bit more generic and already had well established competitors in the fantasy dice rolling stakes. When 40K came out there wasn't really anything else much like it. Sure it cribbed little bits from all over the place but it mixed them together into something that was very much its own thing.

The thing is Warhammer Fantasy is one of the earliest fantasy franchise born from Lord of the Rings.

And it has things that makes it unique I mean the main human faction is not a Medieval England like kingdom like so many other Fantasy franchises but an Empire modeled out of the German Holy Roman Empire of the Late Middle Ages.

 

[Thaluikhain]

The thing is Warhammer Fantasy is one of the earliest fantasy franchise born from Lord of the Rings.

Really? It' and old one, sure, but started in the 80s, IIRC, some decades after LotR.

But yeah, not based on a primary school version of England, and not high fantasy, makes that rather unusual.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

The thing is Warhammer Fantasy is one of the earliest fantasy franchise born from Lord of the Rings.

And it has things that makes it unique I mean the main human faction is not a Medieval England like kingdom like so many other Fantasy franchises but an Empire modeled out of the German Holy Roman Empire of the Late Middle Ages.

DnD was earlier, and that was, and still is, the monster fantasy franchise.

It's a minor difference at best when looking from the outside. Still orcs, still dwarves, still elves, still guys in armour with swords. It just doesn't have the brand recognition you get with 40k.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

The thing is Warhammer Fantasy is one of the earliest fantasy franchise born from Lord of the Rings.

And it has things that makes it unique I mean the main human faction is not a Medieval England like kingdom like so many other Fantasy franchises but an Empire modeled out of the German Holy Roman Empire of the Late Middle Ages.

DnD was earlier, and that was, and still is, the monster fantasy franchise.

It's a minor difference at best when looking from the outside. Still orcs, still dwarves, still elves, still guys in armour with swords. It just doesn't have the brand recognition you get with 40k.

I just hate the fact that Sci Fi gets a pass for being "Original and Unique"

Tyranids are Xenomorphs, Necrons are Terminators, Eldar are the typical "Alien that for some reason still has very human features" and the Space Marines are wearing Darth Vader Helmets.

What makes it like Warhammer is the fact they copy pasted Orcs and Chaos faction to connect it with the Warhammer name.

 

[Tiger King]

wasn't the warhammer universe effectively ended?
as in chaos won and certain races/characters were written out of existence?
There are rumblings that the same thing may happen to 40k with an end times scenario.

I have to say this game looks pretty good and I would love to get it but my laptop would never be able to run it
I suspect chaos will be undivided with the odd troop/demon choice that is dedicated to their god such as khorne berserkers and nurgle nostril pickers etc.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

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[Thaluikhain]

Genestealers are a very similar idea but Tyranids have a wide variety of designs, they look very different. Originally tyranids looked nothing like they do know (well, they were vaguely gaunt-like).

Nids have changed a lot, yeah, they used to be more influenced seemingly by Jurassic Park, got more influenced by Xenomorphs and then took inspiration from the Zerg (despite the Zerg being based on nids).

Genestealers aren't much like Xenomorphs, though, excepting they attack space marines out of airducts and stuff. They have more arms, eyes and don't kill you when they infect you, when you have kids, they become hybrids and after a few generations there's an army of stealer cultists ranging from purestrains to almost human waiting to overthrow the local authorities. The person next to you on the train might be a stealer cultist, but is unlikely to be a xenomorph, at least not without it being rather obvious.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

Genestealers aren't much like Xenomorphs, SNIP.

The inspiration is very clear.

 

[direkiller]

Asking anyone who has been following the game and its regarding the whole Warriors of Chaos Pre-order/DLC.

I have been looking at the Warhammer Fantasy lore for a bit and I did my research on the Chaos faction and I know that Chaos is divided into 4 gods, Khonre (Tradtional Red Daemon/Devil) Tzeentch (Lovecraftian style daemon) Nurgle (Daemon of Filth and Disgustingness) and Slaanesh (Succubi demon)

There are 2 more major Chaos gods you should know about

Chaos Dwarfs are devoted to Hashut
Skaven are devoted to the Horned Rat

as some of the promo art has Bull Centaurs, the dwarves may be in it as a sub faction.

Skaven will most likely come up at some point as a DLC, because Vermintide was a successful game and Doomwheels are cool.
http://orig13.deviantart.net/2f9b/f/2012/028/4/6/skaven_doomwheel_1_by_lphans-d4nv22c.jpg

 

[kris40k]

DnD was earlier, and that was, and still is, the monster fantasy franchise.

Ehhhh.....I don't know about that "still is" part. Sure, it has name recognition even outside the actual tabletop gamers, but Pathfinder has been spanking D&D's ass for years now since 2011:
Fall 2011 [http://icv2.com/articles/games/view/21403/top-5-rpgs-summer-2011]
Fall 2012 [http://icv2.com/articles/games/view/25377/top-5-rpgs-fall-2012]
Fall 2013 [http://icv2.com/articles/games/view/28124/top-5-rpgs-fall-2013]
Fall 2014 [http://icv2.com/articles/games/view/29999/top-5-rpgs-summer-2014]

It wasn't until last year that D&D has started to make a recovery. Even Star Wars' RPG was outselling it for a while.
Fall 2015 [http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/33911/top-5-roleplaying-games-fall-2015]

Disclosure: I abandoned D&D for Pathfinder after D&D abondoned 3.5, so slightly biased, but those aren't my numbers.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

Ehhhh.....I don't know about that "still is" part. Sure, it has name recognition even outside the actual tabletop gamers, but Pathfinder has been spanking D&D's ass for years now since 2011:
Fall 2011 [http://icv2.com/articles/games/view/21403/top-5-rpgs-summer-2011]
Fall 2012 [http://icv2.com/articles/games/view/25377/top-5-rpgs-fall-2012]
Fall 2013 [http://icv2.com/articles/games/view/28124/top-5-rpgs-fall-2013]
Fall 2014 [http://icv2.com/articles/games/view/29999/top-5-rpgs-summer-2014]

It wasn't until last year that D&D has started to make a recovery. Even Star Wars' RPG was outselling it for a while.
Fall 2015 [http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/33911/top-5-roleplaying-games-fall-2015]

Disclosure: I abandoned D&D for Pathfinder after D&D abondoned 3.5, so slightly biased, but those aren't my numbers.

Maybe, but then you're looking at the latter half of 4th edition, 5th was announced to be a thing in 2012 and launched in summer 2014 (with DMG & MM coming out autumn/winter) (so idk if those figures include it, you've quoted the summer figures there apart from 2015). It'll be interesting to see what that table looks like over the next few years

I'd also like to see overall sales and point out that DnD has a big influence outside just pnp RPG's. When you take computer games, novels etc into account I'd be willing to bet that DnD as a franchise still pulls in the bigger bucks.

I'd say the monster is no longer unchallenged.

EDIT: Although, thinking about it like that, I wonder how Game of Thrones compares. Don't watch it myself but from what I can tell it's pretty big.

 

[kris40k]

I'd also like to see overall sales and point out that DnD has a big influence outside just pnp RPG's. When you take computer games, novels etc into account I'd be willing to bet that DnD as a franchise still pulls in the bigger bucks.

I'd say the monster is no longer unchallenged.

That's an excellent point. RA Salvatore's D&D's fiction library is much more robust than Pathfinder's still developing one, and Pathfinder Online is pretty much DOA, while D&D's IP is still successfully being used to develop video games with. So, looking at a it from a multimedia angle, certainly D&D is still top from a macro view.

Sorry to the OP if I've dragged this off course a bit. I'll stop if requested.