Racist against....whites?

[Alex_P]

Oh god, really? I was just about to get typing when I saw Mr P above me say:

This whole thread is based on the fraudulent premise that it is actually socially acceptable for American non-whites to be racist.

It's not.

If you're a person with any kind of power, racist stuff is just as socially unacceptable as it is for a white person. Look at how much everyone scrutinized every comment made by Obama or Sotomayor for signs of racial bias, for example.

Americans just casually ignore racism when it comes from non-whites they perceive as powerless because, well, they think it doesn't matter because, y'know, they're powerless. Society is all about ignoring the powerless. (Now, individually powerless whites still get a wary eye because they have the numbers to be a dangerous mass movement.)

-- Alex

And there we have it. There don't need to be five more pages of people missing the point, the point being that the OP is wrong, and at this point you're just stirring the pot.

Yeah, but, see, everyone's just going to read the first dozen posts and then add their own one-liner to the thread without reading it anyway, and the circlejerk of I-don't-really-get-it-but-I-have-an-opinion will continue until people get bored and the thread falls off the front page and then two weeks later someone -- who may well be someone who posted to this thread already -- starts another thread based on the same misconception. Just like those political correctness threads that are full of people who don't realize that "political correctness" is a constructed strawman and not a real social movement.

And I will be sad.

-- Alex

 

[Shapsters]

Its the same with sexism im afraid. Listen to "if i were a boy". All it does is slag off the male gender. You know what would happen if i slagged off the female gender in a song? i would be beaten in the street and i would never be able to leave my house again. This is an issue i hate so goddam much. No one gives a shit if you insult someone for being iether male or white. Yay for the one way system of racism. Then theres the N word. The N word when said by a white guy is the most horrible thing ever imaginable and he/she should be burned alive for even thinking of writing an artical in which it is said by their sister. When a coloured person says it its a friendly greeting. EH?! WTF is this? If white people made a word that no coloured (im being more racially diverse here) could say, people would be outraged.

Im not racist, i believe in equality... for EVERYONE. I think my fellow man should be more open to us now. We are brothers and the horrible past of our ancestors is gone. Real racists should be punished. People who spread actual hate, not people who make some joke that they dont even actualy mean.

A great man said "when someone tells a joke about someone else and they both laugh, the world will be a better place". Thats my ethos on this topic, no one has any justification to insult anyone because of race.

Im basically asking for insults here because of my first paragraph but i am not racist in the slightest. If you want to insult me because you are super paranoid about racism like all of todays people then go ahead. I dont want to offend anyone and everything i say is in no way meant to be offencive. (This boils down to safety basically)

EDIT: I agree that we are not downtrodden, groups today still persecute other races and i find this far worse than the occasional jibe in my direction. I just want these jibes to work both ways.

Everything you say here is so very true, I hate the whole women can bash men but men cant bash woman, its complete bullshit! It goes the same way for blacks to white and vise-versa.

The whole world should learn to take a fucking joke!

 

[BlueMage]

I think we may have gotten a wee bit carried away with it in the past, if you know what I mean.

I think we may have gotten a wee bit carried away with it in the past, if you know what I mean.

because white people weren't subjected to a couple hundred years of slavery under black people. doesn't mean I like it though

I'm almost certain this has been pointed out but ... racism is racism. Doesn't matter who it's from and directed to. That we treated black people poorly in the past is NO justification for us to be treated poorly now. If the bastards who did the mis-treatment are still alive, by all means, punish them as they deserve.

 

[K_Dub]

Something that's always kinda bothered me. When people talk about the past (slavery) they always refer to it as racism. That isn't technically correct. Rather than being racist, it was more the standard for a rich white man to own several slaves or so. Most of the people during that time were raised to think that having a slave was okay, that there was nothing wrong with it. And there wasn't anything wrong with it really, not racially anyway. The only thing that was truly wrong with slavery was the fact that the slaves were denied there basic human rights. Slavery was never racist, it was just wrong.

Rather, racism didn't really show up until around the 50's I think? Someone correct me if I'm wrong please. Anyways, slavery had long since been abolished by this time, and tensions were beginning to rise. Because slavery had been abolished, blacks were to be considered equal; this simply did not compute with many white people. They had been raised to think that black people (i.e. slaves) were below them. So the white people that were in government that believed that black people had no rights did their best to make sure that it stayed that way. Needless to say that that didn't work out very well. With Sit-Ins, Bus Boycotts, and other civil rights actions, along with leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcom X, black people began gaining rights.

Racism never really came into light until black's basic rights as Americans were denied. The movements and actions to keep black people down are racist. Not the actions of taking them from their homeland and putting them to work. That's just pure human indecency, but was the standard at the time. So technically, racism hasn't really been around for as long as people suspect. That's my view anyways (duh...)

 

[GBlair88]

Does anyone know any racist jokes about white people that are actually funny?

Try watching Richard Pryor...

 

[WafflesandBacon]

400 YEARS OF TOTURE we should be able go pass the racsim rules

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Because some white people were very bad and racist to them so it is kinda ok for them to be racist but it will stop eventually as it is racism as well and you can't have your cake in it's uneaten form and eat it too.

I do not agree with some things like saying that no white man knows what it is like to be a slave(obviously taking about their ancestors) as Irish were oppressed for twice aslong as black people.(also I don't mean for that to be taken the wrong way as I do not agree with what was done to black people but I don't like it when it is never acknowledged that other groups were oppressed too).

 

[Stalk3rchief]

Welcome to the world.
-_-
Things have been that way for 30-50 years now. Honestly, I have no idea. I've never downed any other race for their color, but they're quick to judge me because I'm white.
I'm starting to think maybe I should fight back or something, fucking ass holes.

 

[StarStruckStrumpets]

I don't care really, if a black person made a racist comment about me, I shrug it off like a regular insult, it's just not something that I really find to strike a chord.

Oh, I also agree with nearly every comment, we got the least trouble, I can handle some backlash.

 

[Dioxide20]

Well considering whites were racist and done horrible things towards:

Native Americans
Blacks
Asians
Latinos
Middle easterners
Hindus
Jews
and even their own women. (You know not having any civil rights and all)

Hindus, Jews and Women are all their own race?

All racism is bad. Nobody should be "allowed" to be racists just because of something that happened in the past. I think that special treatment towards minorities is racist towards those who are not part of a minority.

I'm white, I don't get any special scholarships because of it, why should anyone else?

 

[Xojins]

Probably because the segregation only ended about 50 years ago, while slavery and racism were rampant for hundreds of years. Many of the arguments from white people I know basically boil down to: "Oh, that's all in the past and we don't agree with it and have apologized for it, so you're not allowed to be mad about it anymore." I think it's rather stupid.

Okay, the black people who are over 50 years old can complain about how the white people over 50 years old treated them. I'm sick of being thought the bad guy for stuff that happened decades and even centuries before I was born.

I'm sick of being told I have no right to be mad/offended about slavery/racism, but we can't always get what we want.

 

[Shadedblade]

Because liberals think two wrongs make a right.

Really? Why do you think that? There is no proof of correlation whatsoever between liberalism and this form of rascism that I know of. Please elaborate.

 

[Alex_P]

Something that's always kinda bothered me. When people talk about the past (slavery) they always refer to it as racism. That isn't technically correct. Rather than being racist, it was more the standard for a rich white man to own several slaves or so. Most of the people during that time were raised to think that having a slave was okay, that there was nothing wrong with it. And there wasn't anything wrong with it really, not racially anyway. The only thing that was truly wrong with slavery was the fact that the slaves were denied there basic human rights. Slavery was never racist, it was just wrong.

It seems like you've defined "that time" as all of history before World War II. That's rather unspecific.

You're correct in thinking that ancient slavery wasn't necessarily racist. Most ancient cultures did have racialist beliefs, at least. "Racialism" refers to the essentialist belief that human beings can be organized into races with fundamental biological, psychological, or social differences -- notice what's missing from the idea: a definitive hierarchy of races.

The slavery systems established by Europeans from the Age of Sail onward were definitely hardcore racist, however. Whites justified their pitiless exploitation of the rest of the world through the belief that they were superior to all others -- and, at the same time, they most certainly didn't believe it was okay to enslave other whites.

Rather, racism didn't really show up until around the 50's I think? Someone correct me if I'm wrong please. Anyways, slavery had long since been abolished by this time, and tensions were beginning to rise.

In America, post-slavery racial tensions started the very minute slavery was abolished. There was no warm-up period. Official segregation started with the collapse of Reconstruction in the 1870s.

-- Alex

 

[dark-amon]

In my city we give shit. There are off course those who would bend down and lick the dirt of someones shoe if the used tactiacal racism (wich is to find the ideal time to acuse someone for having some sort of racist belief against one to make the acused retreat in the fear of being considered racist)
However most of those whom I would consider not retarded here would not fall for this wich is the most common way for a man of an non"whitw" skincolour to perform racism.
I learned a quite intriging quote once:

 

[GBlair88]

All racism is bad. Nobody should be "allowed" to be racists just because of something that happened in the past. I think that special treatment towards minorities is racist towards those who are not part of a minority.

It's racist to the minority as well since it is making an issue of their colour/religion/other instead of treating them as an equal.

 

[K_Dub]

Something that's always kinda bothered me. When people talk about the past (slavery) they always refer to it as racism. That isn't technically correct. Rather than being racist, it was more the standard for a rich white man to own several slaves or so. Most of the people during that time were raised to think that having a slave was okay, that there was nothing wrong with it. And there wasn't anything wrong with it really, not racially anyway. The only thing that was truly wrong with slavery was the fact that the slaves were denied there basic human rights. Slavery was never racist, it was just wrong.

It seems like you've defined "that time" as all of history before World War II. That's rather unspecific.

You're correct in thinking that ancient slavery wasn't necessarily racist. Most ancient cultures did have racialist beliefs, at least. "Racialism" refers to the essentialist belief that human beings can be organized into races with fundamental biological, psychological, or social differences -- notice what's missing from the idea: a definitive hierarchy of races.

The slavery systems established by Europeans from the Age of Sail onward were definitely hardcore racist, however. Whites justified their pitiless exploitation of the rest of the world through the belief that they were superior to all others -- and, at the same time, they most certainly didn't believe it was okay to enslave other whites.

Rather, racism didn't really show up until around the 50's I think? Someone correct me if I'm wrong please. Anyways, slavery had long since been abolished by this time, and tensions were beginning to rise.

In America, post-slavery racial tensions started the very minute slavery was abolished. There was no warm-up period. Official segregation started with the collapse of Reconstruction in the 1870s.

-- Alex

Thanks for the lesson. It's kind of a shame in thinking that this subject will probably never die. It's seems like no one wants to drop the subject. But at least it makes for a really interesting history lesson. In the end, it's probably the only thing we can be grateful for. Again, thanks for the correction.

 

[Dancingman]

I think we may have gotten a wee bit carried away with it in the past, if you know what I mean.

Seconded, the thing seems to be we either completely forget history or try too hard to learn from it.

 

[Alex_P]

everyone has already assumed your talking about african caucasian relationships.

First post specifies "white man" and "black man".

-- Alex

 

[z121231211]

I think Louis CK is says it best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

 

[Deef]

Because whites are a majority in north-america.