Racist tram woman watches video evidence; denies everything
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Whoa whoa WHOOOOA! Hold on there!Hoplon said:
You call jazoni a "horrible racist" for suggesting that high levels of immigration might merely be "an issue"? You're saying Jazoli justified her uncouth outburst just because there may be something worth looking at on the basis of this issue?
Do you realise what you are saying?
This is thought-crime!
This is censorship of the worst order!
When did the issue of immigration become a form of blasphemy?
Actually, it is. Anything is covered by free speech, that's why it's free. Whether or not it's covered by the first amendment is another matter entirely.lacktheknack said:
I don't remember if "hate speech" is protected by the first amendment, but I don't see how insulting people can be illegal, and if insulting people in one way is legal, than it should be legal to insult people in any way you choose.
Also, I'm pretty sure hate speech is protected considering the crap that Westburo Baptist get's away with saying.
To be unfortunately fair to her, it has been revealed that she needs leitimate psychiatric help.
In their race to condemn her the internet and public forgot to remember that she was only released from psychiatric care a few days earlier. Now obviously she shouldn't have been, but the woman has deep seated issues with all sorts of fun and exciting mental conditions.
Does this excuse her? Of course not, don't be stupid. But it does mean that we shouldn't be clamouring for her head, we should be trying to help her. And remembering that judging before we know all the facts is pre-judging, and is something that most rational people want to avoid, given that it's exactly the same thing they're attacking her for.
In their race to condemn her the internet and public forgot to remember that she was only released from psychiatric care a few days earlier. Now obviously she shouldn't have been, but the woman has deep seated issues with all sorts of fun and exciting mental conditions.
Does this excuse her? Of course not, don't be stupid. But it does mean that we shouldn't be clamouring for her head, we should be trying to help her. And remembering that judging before we know all the facts is pre-judging, and is something that most rational people want to avoid, given that it's exactly the same thing they're attacking her for.
I know for a fact a large number of people share these views, prety much all over the western world. I know Quebec (my province) is currently discussing lowering the number of accepted immigrants to try to deal with these issues. The point I'm trying to make is that blaming immigration for economic woes tends to be a bit of a backwards argument. Without immigration population would decline rather rapidly in Europe and North America since our natural increase is so low. While to some degree this may be a good think it also limits the economic potential of a country as it has fewer and fewer labourers.Jazoni89 said:
Globalization is more to blame in my opinion as many of the labour and production jobs we used to have have moved to Asia where the costs are significantly lower. So many of the jobs the middle class and lower middle class used to do shifted overseas and so there are only service jobs available, which require either a higher level of training or have no long term sustainability.
Nope, I welcome mixed race, but there are certain rules you must abide if you want to live in this country, for example, basic english and the sense of being helpful and a asset to our society. When we go to Dubai for instance you are not allowed to hold hands, as public displays of affection are frowned upon immensely. We may not like it, but we have to respect it, and these immgrants should respect our culture the same if we were to live in their country. People may not like to admit it, but British culture itself is dying, and with the uniqueness and morals in our Society down with it. It won't be long before our country will become the next India, or Poland.CobraX said:
Now, It's not the case for everyone who is an immigrant in the UK, as I'm sure many of them are highly respected members of our society, and we are grateful for them to be here with us, but as the old saying goes, too many rotten apples spoil the bunch. That's the reason why people hate Gypsies so much for example.
I feel silly for having to say this but: Britain doesn't follow American laws. The UK doesn't technically have 100% free speech. Or I'm assuming as Canada doesn't and we follow a similar law code where freedom of speech is concerned.spartan231490 said:
except that's condoning two completely disgusting people. the reality is the gang should have got a harsh sentence as they had no excuse, and this woman is a disgrace. saying she should be compensated for her treatment is saying racism is a good thing.Octogunspunk said:
you know what, I disagree with you, soTreblaine said:
I'M GOING TO GO TO SOMEWHERE YOU FREQUENT AND SCREAM AT YOU FOR 10 MINUTES USING PROFANITY AND SLURS, AND USE MY CHILD AS A DEFENCE
RA RA RA RA RA RA.
She didn't "state an opinion" she yelled it cursing and swearing at people she assumed were contributing to the problem, without any knowledge of the people she was yelling at what so ever.
Theres a difference between stating an opinion and attacking other people with it. If see was WAY more calm about this whole thing, she probably would have been let off. I'd put money on it.
TL
R having an opinion does not justify harassment.
Don't need to be British to understand this issue. We got it here in America too. AZ resident here and we're ground zero for the Latin migrants. Like I used to know at least 4 drop houses in my own neighborhood when I was down in Tucson. At least most of the British ones are there legally. Because of that, they have every right to express their culture and religion.Jazoni89 said:
Trust me when I say that most people do not want to be forced out of their home country for whatever reason (drug violence, religious wars, dictatorship, etc). If we can improve things in the 3rd world, I promise that you will see most of those immigrants going back.
Damn, man, you'd fit in with the finest xenophobic American. Same basic arguments, same thinly-veiled ethnocentrism. Then again, the UK did sort of hone xenophobic dickery to an art form in the 1800s.Jazoni89 said:
I'm serious, though, I live in one of the right-wing states, and you'd fit right in with the other jerks.
I feel silly for having to say this but: Am I talking to myself here? I never said that it was protected, I said that it should be. See up there in my first post, I even bolded it this time.Commissar Sae said:
I addressed American law specifically for two reasons: Because I assumed that's what the person was talking about when they said "free speech," and because it is the country I live in and it is therefore the model of Free speech that I am most familiar with.
I think the escapist is cutting-off my original post because of the 3 quote limit, but if you really worried about it that much look at the post I quoted, I very clearly said should initially.
You condemn his actions but condone the old lady's? You sir are a hypocrite. You said yourself, "hate with hate" but apparently her hate is okay? I don't even know what that phrase means, but I'll assume it's some slur, Personally I would have just told her off, very colourfully, but you can't sit here and tell me that what she did was okay. She was being the bully, and he responded to it. She probably thought that she could get away with whatever she said because no one would say anything back to an old lady, using her age as a defence, and to you apparently an excuse, to bully and insult people. If all he did was push her off the train, That's hardly bullying. Maybe if he punched her in the face, which was likely coming if she didn't shut up.Treblaine said:So those who break down just once should be imprisoned and be separated from their family forever?Dascylus said:
Why not physical violence and some sexism to boot?!?!? What... what the FUCK happened to this website?!?!?
This will only embolden the hardcore skinhead-racists. You think hate can be matched with hate.
You think this sort of violent rhetoric and over-reactionary prison sentences and breaking up of families is the right way to defeat with racism and xenophobia? Take a step back and fucking look at yourself.
You disgust me.
As a carer of the elderly that, that is almost inconceivable that you'd do that... that's bad enough but you seem bloody proud of it. Proud of it?! People say shit all the time, it's just words. You know how all these cases of abuse begin in care homes? Of elderly and infirm ladies being beaten and starved? One day they are a bit rude - because they are crotchety and old - and some FUCKING BULLY just uses that as an excuse to lash out at them!
Take a look at yourself. Ask yourself, are you a bully?
You know what you should have done when she said "Jävla invandare" to you? You should have offered your hand to help her on the tram. And proved she was wrong about you.
But you didn't you didn't just reaffirm her prejudice... you may have just proven her right.
and sexism, really? Because someone mentions tits they are sexist now? how about we go find every woman who said "punch him in the nuts" and call them sexist too? That comment has nothing bad to say about her sex, if she were male instead of female, the comment would have been adjusted accordingly. maybe to something like, "I'd punch him in the nuts", would that have been sexist to you? It's sex specific, not sexist.
Cursing and swearing? What like you hear every time you turn on the TV?Darkmantle said:you know what, I disagree with you, soTreblaine said:
I'M GOING TO GO TO SOMEWHERE YOU FREQUENT AND SCREAM AT YOU FOR 10 MINUTES USING PROFANITY AND SLURS, AND USE MY CHILD AS A DEFENCE
RA RA RA RA RA RA.
She didn't "state an opinion" she yelled it cursing and swearing at people she assumed were contributing to the problem, without any knowledge of the people she was yelling at what so ever.
Theres a difference between stating an opinion and attacking other people with it. If see was WAY more calm about this whole thing, she probably would have been let off. I'd put money on it.
TL
Come on, she'd sitting down with a toddler on her lap, no way she's intimidating anyone. It's "harassment" of the most benign order! Yeah, she made some jibes, that's the point where the police give her a talking to that this behaviour is unacceptable and get a warning. NOT IMEMDIATLEY ARRESTED AND HAVE HER TRIED IN COURT! Not Take away her children! Not Try to have her imprisoned like she is guilty of some grievous assault!
And all this doesn't excuse you calling jazoni a "horrible racist".
Darkmantle, Now I've seen you on the forums before, I know in other topics you are reasonable and don't fly off the handle like this. What the HELL is going on? Why has everyone gone crazy over this issue?
I am not Xenophobic, I'm just trying to put my point across, and I'm sorry that you fail to grasp to understand at least were I am coming from.TheMagicLemur said:
I feel like I'm just wasting my time, I wash my hands with you lot, and I will not participate in further discussions on this, so if you want to quote me again fine, but it will go unanswered from now on.
Being called a Xenophobic and a Racist because of me trying to find a reason behind the madness instead of saying "Herp derp racist ***** can go die in a fire" which is far too easy, and wouldn't of made a great discussion now would it?
Escapist, I'm disappoint!
