RAGE: Biggest overreaction ever?

[Morbissus]

ID made the mistake of saying portions single player content will be locked not that it is day one DLC. It's not about what they are doing, it's about how they say it. Now ID is coming across as a bunch aholes. Now about developers whining about used game sales, where the fuck is that DLC money (made from both consumers of new & used games) going? It's funny they have pre-order bonuses, special editions and DLC yet profits are declining.

 

[Therumancer]

Ok so reading the comments on the escapists sensationalist article "Used RAGE Will have no singleplayer !!!1111" I was astounded by how many people either didn't read the article or read it and decided to make something up in there head

So basically for those who didn't know, if you buy RAGE new you get access to a small sewer section that is not connected to the main plot, if you buy it used you have to purchase a code.
So its basically day one DLC, the thing that EA and other developers have been doing for ages

So basically because of the way the escapist reported it people have been boycotting the game and overreacting because apparently this is a game breaking thing, and i thought I'd make this thread because its easier than just correcting all the idiots in that topics

This is still a slightly underhanded move, but its nothing new and certainly nothing game changing, think the stone prisoner for DA:O

I'm not sure if the response is an overreaction even if people are reacting to the wrong thing.

Saying "it's not a big deal if used gamers are locked out of one small part of a map" overlooks the simple fact that if Bethesda does this, and the game sells well, it's going to encourage other game companies to do the same thing. It's sort of like how Ubisoft put their "always on" DRM into "Assasin's Creed" and The "Settlers 7", the products still sold, and as a result other people looked at it and said "oh, it's just QQing, we can get away with this" and you see more and more of the same thing. Ditto for "Day #1 DLC" and the way that snowballed.

The thing is though that fan-rage doesn't much matter, the games industry has learned to ignore that. The only thing that matters is simply choosing not to support/buy a game. The industry has been on the path it is, because like a group of addicts we keep buying into schemes that actually hurt us.

In this case even someone who figures "ah well, I plan to buy the game new anyway" is losing out because part of the justification for those high game prices is the abillity to sell your game to a shop and recoup some of your investment. This kind of gimmick means that stores are less likely to offer decent trade in value, especially seeing as people who know about the locked out content are less likely to buy the game used.

As it is the gaming industry is a multi-billion dollar business, despite both used games and outright piracy. Both DRM and the anti-used games initiative are based on pure greed. Really, games are probably too expensive as it is (which is a whole differant line of discussion which I've gone into before), but one of the things that makes them tolerable on consoles is the trade in abillity, the abillity for the original purchuser to sell the game and find a market for it, has become part of their business, whether they like it or not. Killing the used game market becomes counter productive, because for many gamers it ensures that they wind up having to actually "eat" that entire purchuse price.

Such are my thoughts, basically this is another gimmick, and you let it go and it's going to be everywhere with next year's games.

 

[Something Amyss]

Well the front page headline was literally "Used rages cuts single player" It gave the impression that it had no single player, but they changed it now

But be fair: How else are they going to get you to read an article?

Misleading headlines are not really so much the Escapist as a sign of the time we live in. People don't care unless you sensationalise it, so most outlets hype stuff up.

Looking under the search terms 'used rage cuts single player' I found several articles with virtually identical headlines from different sites, and several more similar.

Integrity is dead. Honesty is dead. Fox News sued for the right to make crap up, and now it seems everyone's following suit. The Escapist is a symptom, not the cause.

 

[Stall]

I do not get your point.

The developers are removing a piece of content from used copies of the game.

The article is titled Rage Cuts Single-Player When You Buy It Used.

That title is accurate. Where is the problem?

The title implies that there is no single player when you buy the copy used. It's accurate, but in a very underhanded and unprofessional way. It's a purposefully sensationalist headline meant to garner traffic and views (a practice that is hardly unusual to this site). If they had gone with a title like "RAGE confirmed for having Day-1 DLC," do you think we would have this thread? But because the headline was worded in such a way where it implies that there is NO single player if you buy used, we had the whole overreaction.

As decent as the community is here, and nice as some of the video contributors are, I would NEVER EVER EVER recommend someone come here for the news. Gaming journalism is already considered a joke as it is: this site doesn't do much to disprove such an assumption.

 

[Macrobstar]

I'd say you're overreacting to the overreaction.

I may be slightly, it just annoys me because the escapist knows that people will cut and run with it without reading the article, the least they could do is give people the correct idea of whats going on

I do not get your point.

The developers are removing a piece of content from used copies of the game.

The article is titled Rage Cuts Single-Player When You Buy It Used.

That title is accurate. Where is the problem?

EDIT: wait no it was that, you don't see how that could lead people to jump to conclusions? Fine whatever

 

[Macrobstar]

Ok so reading the comments on the escapists sensationalist article "Used RAGE Will have no singleplayer !!!1111" I was astounded by how many people either didn't read the article or read it and decided to make something up in there head

So basically for those who didn't know, if you buy RAGE new you get access to a small sewer section that is not connected to the main plot, if you buy it used you have to purchase a code.
So its basically day one DLC, the thing that EA and other developers have been doing for ages

So basically because of the way the escapist reported it people have been boycotting the game and overreacting because apparently this is a game breaking thing, and i thought I'd make this thread because its easier than just correcting all the idiots in that topics

This is still a slightly underhanded move, but its nothing new and certainly nothing game changing, think the stone prisoner for DA:O

I'm not sure if the response is an overreaction even if people are reacting to the wrong thing.

Saying "it's not a big deal if used gamers are locked out of one small part of a map" overlooks the simple fact that if Bethesda does this, and the game sells well, it's going to encourage other game companies to do the same thing. It's sort of like how Ubisoft put their "always on" DRM into "Assasin's Creed" and The "Settlers 7", the products still sold, and as a result other people looked at it and said "oh, it's just QQing, we can get away with this" and you see more and more of the same thing. Ditto for "Day #1 DLC" and the way that snowballed.

The thing is though that fan-rage doesn't much matter, the games industry has learned to ignore that. The only thing that matters is simply choosing not to support/buy a game. The industry has been on the path it is, because like a group of addicts we keep buying into schemes that actually hurt us.

In this case even someone who figures "ah well, I plan to buy the game new anyway" is losing out because part of the justification for those high game prices is the abillity to sell your game to a shop and recoup some of your investment. This kind of gimmick means that stores are less likely to offer decent trade in value, especially seeing as people who know about the locked out content are less likely to buy the game used.

As it is the gaming industry is a multi-billion dollar business, despite both used games and outright piracy. Both DRM and the anti-used games initiative are based on pure greed. Really, games are probably too expensive as it is (which is a whole differant line of discussion which I've gone into before), but one of the things that makes them tolerable on consoles is the trade in abillity, the abillity for the original purchuser to sell the game and find a market for it, has become part of their business, whether they like it or not. Killing the used game market becomes counter productive, because for many gamers it ensures that they wind up having to actually "eat" that entire purchuse price.

Such are my thoughts, basically this is another gimmick, and you let it go and it's going to be everywhere with next year's games.

The minute it starts actually bothering people is the minute they'll stop buying, when this snowball affect does happen and RAGE 4 is cutting out the entire campaign people will not support it, in fact the more and more people cut out the less people will buy it when they hear about it

 

[Macrobstar]

It was funny at first when people were threatening boycotts against game company's who included new game and day 1 dlc bonuses. But it still seems people don't seem to grasp the futility of the whole and it's starting to get stupid. I'll explain it again.

The only way these things will affect you is if you buy your game used. When you buy a game used the developer/ publisher doesn't see any of your money. So as far as they are concerned you didn't buy the game. Since you didn't buy the game you aren't a paying customer so your opinion is meaningless.

What are you going to do about it? Not buy the game more? Start a boycott? How? In order for a boycott to be successful you need to convince people to not buy the game at launch and or cancel their preorders. Since those people still get all the content this issue doesn't affect them. So there's no way you are going to convince them to join your cause. They aren't going to care about the fact that you can't get the free map packs because you wanted to save five dollars at GameStop.

It's not like they don't make the stuff available as dlc. If you wanted the Dragon Age Origins Stone prisoner or the Bad Company 2 VIP code you could still buy them.

I never thought of it like that but its pretty much true

 

[Macrobstar]

I buy a lot of my games used for the cheaper prices, I will not pay extra to fix the single player in a game I probably will not buy brand new, so I will not get rage, I'm sure the game will be fine but what their doing isn't making me want the game more, rather it would just make me regret buying it later

Would you feel differently if they told you it was day one dlc? or if they haven't told you at all? This is most companies approach, at least id are being honest

 

[Cogwheel]

...It's called RAGE. Why is anyone surprised by this?


Also, in my mind, the most devious part of all this is actually getting people to pay to play a sewer level.

 

[Sparrow]

I wouldnt blame the escapist, you cant blame them just because people are too stupid to read.

Why wouldn't you blame the Escapist? They were the ones who decided to use an exploitative, sensationalist headline to rile up emotions and grab views. Of COURSE it was their fault. This isn't a practice new to this site. The overall journalistic integrity here ranges from acceptable to questionable.

This fellow, he speaketh the truth. The articles used to just display information, but they've become far more opinionated within the last year or so. That little paragraph at the bottom of every news story, outlining what the person who wrote the article thinks about the said topic, never used to be there. Also, the titles used to be far less attention grabbing. For instance, "The World Does Not Hate Captain America" is a recent headline on the 'Pist. Why couldn't it just be "Captain America Sells Strong Outside of America"? The answer is, of course, because less people would read the article.

[sup]Also the site seems to have singled out the Daily Mail as a source of bile over the past few months for it's sensationalist headlines. Pot, meet kettle.[/sup]

 

[RADlTZ]

I think its really just a small thing, thats not to say that this small thing cant lead to bigger things down the road, in some form of horrific, now that gamers are used to the idea, lets sell them the demo levels for full price and force em to buy the rest for full price again OMG APOCALYPSE. (Im joking)

All I see this achieveing is more people buying the game new, so the devs get their cut of the cash, rather than buying preowned and the retail store getting all the cash.

 

[00slash00]

Ok so reading the comments on the escapists sensationalist article "Used RAGE Will have no singleplayer !!!1111" I was astounded by how many people either didn't read the article or read it and decided to make something up in there head

So basically for those who didn't know, if you buy RAGE new you get access to a small sewer section that is not connected to the main plot, if you buy it used you have to purchase a code.
So its basically day one DLC, the thing that EA and other developers have been doing for ages

So basically because of the way the escapist reported it people have been boycotting the game and overreacting because apparently this is a game breaking thing, and i thought I'd make this thread because its easier than just correcting all the idiots in that topics

This is still a slightly underhanded move, but its nothing new and certainly nothing game changing, think the stone prisoner for DA:O

THANK YOU! i was reading the reactions and couldnt get over it. "developers want to encourage people to buy the game new by throwing those people some extra content *gasp* those evil bastards! quickly, we must boycott this game at once!"

 

[krazykidd]

I'd say you're overreacting to the overreaction.

I think your overreacting to the overreacted overreaction.

OT : no they are not , if enough people react poorly hopefully this foolishness will be abolished ( a man can dream can't he?)

 

[GasparNolasco]

IMO day one DLC is also a dickish move, but yeah. Not worthy of all that outrage since everyone is doing it.