Rage Cuts Single-Player When You Buy It Used

[Appleshampoo]

To all the people who are saying things along the lines of - 'Oh, shut up and buy it new, the companies are suffering and this will be the best generic shooter ever made blah blah' think of it like this -

This is the FIRST instance of something like this happening, right? The single player being cut to prevent used sales I mean.

Now, if the used sales they hate SO much that they need to take part of the game away in an attempt to grab more money, then why didn't they go bankrupt years ago? How is it these companies who are apparently being damaged so much by this used market are able to release game after game after game with no sign of even slowing to take a pee break?

Yes, used sales hurt their profits a little, but when's the last time you saw one of the companies who are trying to cut used games out file for bankruptcy?

Also, what the fuck is this RAGE game anyway. Saw a few ads, looks like Modern warfare after half the cast got hit by napalm.

 

[RobfromtheGulag]

As always, buying PC games isn't easy if you're in the market for used copies. So this doesn't affect me.

However I've no doubt the pirates will find a way around it anyway. They always do.

 

[Wintermoot]

they should at least release a demo and I think I,m the only one who agrees with this plan.
PS
unless this requires a 24/7 internet connection (which is utter BS) I get one-time activations but 24/7 is annoying resulting in a HUGE piracy backlash.

since I,m primarily a PC gamer I might get the PC version that is probably going to use Steam making this not a big deal for me.

PPS
if you want consumers to buy your game new add a OST and kick ass poster with every new copy reward the consumer don,t punish them!

Wait a second. Bethesda are rewarding their consumers by giving them the full game. The only ones who are "punished" by this are the ones by are not per definition customers of id software. The original customers are not punished in any way.

I consider the requirement of having a 24/7 internet connection a punishment also let,s say your system breaks down you would need to re-buy the game /DLC to play the SP Steam has the possibility of being activated on a infinite amount of computers.

 

[NLS]

Wait a second. Bethesda are rewarding their consumers by giving them the full game. The only ones who are "punished" by this are the ones by are not per definition customers of id software. The original customers are not punished in any way.

Not exactly. "you pay for a game, you get the game" isn't a REWARD, it's how things SHOULD BE.
"You pay for a game, you get part of the game" is a punishment. "You pay for the game, you get the game, the soundtrack, AND a cool poster" is a reward.

Yes, "you pay for the game, you get the game" is how it should be, and how it is implemented as well. New customers are not punished in any way.
However, when you buy used from someone else, you are not a customer of id software. You only pay a part of the full sum and none of the money goes back to id software. Yes "You pay for a game, you get part of the game" might be a punishment, but it only applies to those who I've already mentioned, are not contributing anything to the developers, and are not customers of id software.
If you want additional soundtrack and posters, you can support them by buying the special editions.

 

[Nurb]

Next time I want to buy a used Mercedes, I'll call official Mercedes dealership to ask them if they're gonna cut my brakes if I don't give them a piece of that action.

This is fuckin' stupid. Stop punishing gamers already. This kind of behavior can only increase piracy.

Or you could, you know, buy the game new and actually support the developer? Rather than the, "Fuck you, I want to buy your game at a cheaper price, and not let any of the money go back to you, and you're a piece of shit for wanting to make a profit off of the sale of one of your games." attitude you've got going now.

I don't get why people are all up in arms about this. RAGE is going to be a massive game by the way all of the news stories seem to say about it, if it's a good game it'll be worth the money to buy it new. If you really want to save money and buy it used, then you're paying for a lesser experience. I see no issue in this.

You really want to blame somebody: Blame GameStop for not giving a portion of their 100% gain on a used game being sold back to the developers.

No, he had the right analogy but used it wrong. There's no way people would let car manufacturers demand a cut of used car sales.

Cutting singleplayer is a shitty thing to do to gamers on a budget who buy used games regularly, and with Id supporting "always on" DRM, it's obvious they're being greedy bastards that want us to pay full price to "rent" their games from them considering the amount of time peoples' net goes down so they don't deserve to be supported

 

[D0WNT0WN]

ID you used to be cool.

Well im not buying it anymore.

 

[bitCrusher]

misleading title. VERY VERY misleading title

 

[Robert Ewing]

ooooh, so close to preordering. Nevermind. I think I'll miss this one and play a game that doesn't screw you over so much, like ET.

It's time like this when pirates / hackers / modders are needed to crack this bumscrewery.

 

[YouShouldDeleteThisAccount]

Which could make the games price out of their price range, seeing a decline in sales for the new games, because people can't spend such on a game.

Exactly, then the market would adjust, just like any other retail market.

Retailers would demand the games for less money because they can't sell them without putting them on sale, negating any profits.

The publishers would have to agree because the retailers would stop buying their games to sell otherwise.

This keeps happening until a new lower price sees decent sales figures. And games are now priced at a lower, more reasonable price. Developers also have a better idea of their sales figures.

Those with the disposable income to purchase the games at the old price can now buy more games/DLC.

Really, I see used sales as a market complicator. Used sales are part of the reason game prices are so high. Which is why people buy used anyway.

 

[killcannon71]

This has to be one of the most misleading headlines I have ever seen.

 

[Nurb]

I like how everybody is reading this and then throwing their keyboards on the ground in disgust. How dare a developer expect to make money off their own product?! This is extortion! If I want to exclusively support retailers who make money where developers don't, the developer should go out of their way to cater to me!

Come on. Drop the attitude. I don't see anything wrong with this. At all. At the end of the day, you're losing practically nothing. It's an add-on. Almost a DLC. You want to buy a game at a fraction of the cost, be grateful you're not even losing a fraction of the full game. You're just getting 100%, whereas the new-copy buyers are getting 110%.
You want the extras - bloody pay for them. Stop whining. It's pathetic.

I thought like that not too long ago. Then something hit me: only triple-AAA publishers are being dicks about this. You know, the ones who stand to make the most money. You don't see publishers like NIS and Atlus pulling this crap and they stand to benefit the most from a system like this because their sales are already going to be very low. Any profit for them is good. So this is just basic greed.

I don't see how it is greed if you're asking for a fair cut of the profits from something you devoted a lot of time and money to.
And the reason why only Triple-A publishers are doing this is because they're the only ones who can really stand to lose as much from making games. They have more money, they put more money in. If they start getting less money back, they'll be suffering bigger losses than a smaller company. A corporate giant can collapse faster than a corner shop once it gets hit.

Here is the thing: they were paid. Someone bought the game. Now they want to get paid a second time.

Really - it doesn't sound bad. You don't have to be online all the time, you just have to enter a series key once and that's that.

I'm going to say you people are whiners and leave it at that.

One problem: I don't have LIVE (I can't get it to work). So even if I buy it new, I still get locked out of content. I imagine that I'm not the only one. Fun.

No. They want to get paid for each customer that buys their game. Every time somebody buys a used copy, it's been chosen over a new copy. Therefore, the developer has lost out.

But, your second issue is a legitimate problem, and I won't try to argue with it. There needs to be a more convenient way of doing this.

I don't see their problem. Used things are bought all of the time. What makes their product special? And it is faulty to assume that "used game sale=one lost sale". There are people who wouldn't have ever bought it new anyway. But say they trade in a game and a used copy is sitting there and they have store credit. And it can be annoying. I couldn't activate Shale in DA:O or Kasumi and Zaheed in ME2 because I couldn't get online to activate the codes that I paid for.

Hah. You highlighted your own flaw. If these people buying it used would never have bought it new, they clearly don't care for what the full price would have offered. They're not looking to get the 110% RAGE experience, they're looking for a cheap FPS to pass the time. So, the developers allow these people this cheap FPS to pass the time, but for these RAGE 'fans', they can either pay the full price or not get the bonuses.

Cutting content is still a douche move. I don't see how they can justify that. We are going to have to agree to disagree.

That's like saying car companes and PC manufacturers are losing out when people sell them at dealerships and ebay. It's nonsense.

Who the hell cares if someone wants to buy something used anyway? Companies can't demand "New only" for any other product.

 

[Warforger]

Next time I want to buy a used Mercedes, I'll call official Mercedes dealership to ask them if they're gonna cut my brakes if I don't give them a piece of that action.

This is fuckin' stupid. Stop punishing gamers already. This kind of behavior can only increase piracy.

Or you could, you know, buy the game new and actually support the developer? Rather than the, "Fuck you, I want to buy your game at a cheaper price, and not let any of the money go back to you, and you're a piece of shit for wanting to make a profit off of the sale of one of your games." attitude you've got going now.

Or if you say already bought the game but your copy broke so you get a used copy?

Or what if your console or PC broke and have to get a new one and then you reinstall your game only to find out that you lost access to parts of the damn game you paid your hard earned money for?

Personally the way I think it should work is that they lock parts of the game for used copies, in return they can unlock the locked parts if they buy a key or something, that way they get profit from used games. Or better yet let the non-used games get free DLC while used has to pay for it.

 

[charlest92]

I could understand if they did it to the multiplayer content because it takes up space on a server to hold on to stats'n shit. But for them to apply a pass system that does nothing to the multiplayer but instead is designed to cut up your single player is bad ju-ju.

 

[orangeban]

Geez, why are videogames the only industry that does this? Movies don't lock out special features, books don't abridge themselves. Why must videogames be so dickish to their consumers?

 

[MurderousToaster]

I love how the title outside of the news feed is "Used Rage Has No Single-Player", which is totally false. Is it just me or do the news items displayed with pictures next to them on the page seem to have a little more "play" with the actual news item? It's sort of annoying because this time it's not just a little bending of the truth, it's pretty much an outright lie. This is going to result in massive overreactions from the sort of irritating people who only read the thread title but think they know enough to respond anyway.

 

[Gitty101]

So, as if DRM wasn't bad enough, or those 'one time' multi-player unlocks used by EA... This just descends into greater levels of douchiness. Well screw you too iD, wasn't even interested in Rage anyway.

 

[Macrobstar]

To all the people who are saying things along the lines of - 'Oh, shut up and buy it new, the companies are suffering and this will be the best generic shooter ever made blah blah' think of it like this -

This is the FIRST instance of something like this happening, right? The single player being cut to prevent used sales I mean.

Now, if the used sales they hate SO much that they need to take part of the game away in an attempt to grab more money, then why didn't they go bankrupt years ago? How is it these companies who are apparently being damaged so much by this used market are able to release game after game after game with no sign of even slowing to take a pee break?

Yes, used sales hurt their profits a little, but when's the last time you saw one of the companies who are trying to cut used games out file for bankruptcy?

Also, what the fuck is this RAGE game anyway. Saw a few ads, looks like Modern warfare after half the cast got hit by napalm.

No its not the first time its happened, they cut out like one side mission that most people will never see

 

[Silva]

So they're intentionally lowering the selling value of items that we're buying from them?

Well my previous stance on this company on the article about Diablo 3's always-on DRM remains - I will not be purchasing any id Software games.

Vote with your feet, people. Make it much less profitable to put in DRM than it would be to do nothing about piracy. That's the only way to not be bullied around by developers who think it's just fine to "force" you into a less convenient product.

 

[Macrobstar]

I could understand if they did it to the multiplayer content because it takes up space on a server to hold on to stats'n shit. But for them to apply a pass system that does nothing to the multiplayer but instead is designed to cut up your single player is bad ju-ju.

Rage doesn't have multiplayer
EDIT: Ahhh my mistake yes it does

 

[Macrobstar]

...wait what? No, id software you're supposed to do it the other way around! I actually buy plenty of games knew or on sales/over time, but this is a pretty crappy move. But truthfully I think most of us can live without it and if you really want RAGE just pay for it. It is their game and they can do what they want with it, so whatever.

You know, I have to be honest here, who the hell is REALLY looking forward to RAGE?

Me, and a lot of people i know, and simon from yogscast