Rage: Get over it.

[Silenttalker22]

but don't pretend to be humble when you are basically calling another's opinion childish.

This. I was with your demeanor at first (even if the free time you have to spend correcting people is unsettling). But throwing in "Have some tea and calm down deary" or w/e, for starters, switched me to "Oh this is just another person who thinks their thought-out rationale is the only right one, and is actually pretty self-righteous". Your condescension belies your noble facade.

OT: Don't care if it's a rip. Rage looks good and I already have it reserved.

 

[Elfgore]

I have to agree. This whole boycotting Rage just because they made you buy it new to play a lttle sewer area. But the ones that make me mad are the ones that limit multiplayer, like Bulletstorm. I just think thats is too important to make people pay for an online pass if they buy it used.

 

[suitepee7]

my main problem is what the money is being spent on.

see it goes to the publishers, but i don't know about the money going to the devs themselves. i would be happy to pay the extra money to exclusively being put towards future titles by those devs, or being put into paying for the servers being maintained for online play.

however the money going to publishers, for a single player cuts out the server maintainability, so i just do not know where my money is going, or if it is just being put straight into the publishers profits. so yeah, i'm not overly happy about this, but i don't expect i'll pick this game unless there's a steam sale.

that brings me to point 2, the lack of older games being available for purchase in game stores in the first place. steam is awesome because it is always a 'new' copy, but the prices go down in time to reflect how old the games are, and the prices are usually the same as a preowned copy elsewhere. the problem lies when you go to console games. once the game is 3-4 months old, new copies tend to disappear, and the only place i can then find these games, is preowned.

so i think a large part of the blame should be placed on stores themselves, and publishers should try to work out a better deal with them, rather than the online dlc malarky.

I have to agree. This whole boycotting Rage just because they made you buy it new to play a lttle sewer area. But the ones that make me mad are the ones that limit multiplayer, like Bulletstorm. I just think thats is too important to make people pay for an online pass if they buy it used.

but online is the part (if any) which would need the extra cash, because it needs server maintenance costs. it makes little sense to charge for single player experiences.

tbh Rage should have worded it differently. instead of saying second hand purchases have cut content, they should have said that new copies come with a small piece of bonus dlc, which would have sounded more like a reward for people who purchase new, rather than a punishment for those who get it preowned

 

[The Wykydtron]

I, humbly so.
Tell you all to build a bridge and get over it. You are likely going to damage a pristine triple A titles reputation and profits because you think you're being treated unfairly.
Are you that misinformed?

With all due respect.... No. I wont get over it. Will I damage a repuation of games that are doing this? You absolutely better believe I will. You ask if the people pissed off at this are misinformed, yet your completely ignoring why people are up in arms about this.

It is so astronomically simple.

If you give them an inch they will take a mile. Thats it, right there. Its also the reason why people say "Freedom isnt free, it costs eternal vigilance"

SNIP (Slightly)
Edit: Look I get that the cut in RAGE is not even really a cut at all. But at the same time you have to understand that in many cases events can end up adversely effecting unrelated things in ways you can never hope to predict. After letting so many little ones slide, at what point do you try to put on the breaks>?

Oh man and here i was thinking drama was dead, well done sir! You are awesome! Please say you were doing at least a few dramatic arm flails and heart cluches while you were typing that. Too many people think drama is a bad thing...

Excuse me i need to rewatch a certain scene in Code Geass because of that...

 

[GestaltEsper]

Normally I stay outta topics like this but I gotta ask something to the "Where does it end" crowd: Did you support Sony when it removed Linux because it could be used for piracy? Or any other anti-piracy measures?

 

[GestaltEsper]

Once upon a time we used to love gaming companies giving away goodies but now unless it comes shitting a golden egg we don't want it.

I think that accurately sums things up. Hell, last year people were saying that extra content and limited editions were the way to go. Now look at the latest topic about it and all you'll see is "Make it cheaper," "Make it actually worth the money," or my favorite "How about not making a shit game."

 

[Dogstile]

Thank you! Also, I gota ask, how many people actually buy used games? I hardly know anyone who buys used games, or hard copies in general.

Oh you silly, half my library is used.

OP: Stop using the if you buy second hand it won't work as new argument. If I buy a book second hand it usually still has all of its pages. If I buy a car second hand it has all of its parts. Its not being intentionally sabotaged and then being bragged about by the developer. That's what people are mainly pissed off about.

 

[NotSoLoneWanderer]

Things like this really aren't fair to offline gamers. Its perfectly reasonable to buy an expensive console and a $60 game and expect all the content of said game. DLC is ok as long as it is available on disk.

It's 2011. Who doesn't have internet? It's as strange as having no running water or electricity.

Yeah it's strange but i just got it back a few weeks ago. Xbox live cards are expensive when your saving up for things and don't get allowance.

 

[Macrobstar]

Dont really care what you think.
I dont like it and think it's still a ripoff for anybody who might buy the game brand new in 2-4 months and might have to do without that content or pay extra to download it by then!

My main gripe is that content gets praised as 'bonus on pre-order' while it actually is 'premium content'. With premium i mean that you pay (often extra) for it.

I have no trouble with premium content, BUT DONT FUCKING SAY IT'S A BONUS WHICH IT CLEARLY IS NOT!!!1!



i feel a bit better now.

Well guess what, it delights me to tell you that you won't make a differance, loads people will still buy rage and then presumably the games industry will collapse and the world will end

 

[Macrobstar]

Its a vote with your money situation and these are the scenarios that can unfold. Im only taking into account the people who had decided they were going to buy it.

A: You were going to buy the game new and you still will after the news
Conclusion: I has no effect on your choice of purchase because it has no effect on the quality of your game.

B: You were going to buy the game used and you still will after the news
Conclusion: The game you have bought is slightly cheaper than a new game, but is inferior. However not inferior enough for you to pay more for a new copy.

C: You were going to buy the game used and you wont after the news
Conclusion: You feel you are being unfairly treated and will therefore not support the game or the developer. However if you were going to buy used anyway then the developer wont see any of that money in the first place making your boycott pointless.

D: You were going to buy the game new and you wont after the news
Conclusion: You are Boycotting out of principal even thou it has no effect on the quality of your purchase or your future purchase.

E: You were going to buy the game used and you will buy the game new after the news
Conclusion: Project Ten dollar works as intended.

Wow so much this

 

[Scizophrenic Llama]

I don't see how this has been so surprising to people. It's already been done before [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/93833-Dragon-Age-Comes-With-Free-DLC-Armor].

DA:O wasn't in the project $10 boat, it was a buy the game new and get access to one of the best characters in the game who clearly was supposed to be a part of the vanilla game from the start.

I can't believe people are bitching about losing a little section of a game that takes 22GB of a 360's hard-drive [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.305638-RAGE-Devours-Xbox-360-Hard-Drives]. Surely the 200 or so MB download(I would imagine that is how large the additional section will be) will make all of the difference in your opinion of the game.

Claiming that allowing them to do this would let them do it more is a moot point because this has been happening for a while with EA and it has already started to catch on. You're past the point of stopping it. AAA titles like this will sell well regardless of if you do a petty little rant and attempt a protest, and yet this is likely to continue in the future.

 

[Morbissus]

Publishers could go after Gamestop & Best Buy for not getting a % on used games. I guess it's easier to go after an amorphous mass of I agree, I disagree & I don't care than to get into a legal battle with the corporate entities that are really screwing them.

 

[GonzoGamer]

I was over it the moment I decided to not buy it and just put it on my rental list instead.
I seem to be doing that a lot lately and it's actually working out better. Most of these games are only worth a rental anyway.

 

[CountryMike]

Things like this really aren't fair to offline gamers. Its perfectly reasonable to buy an expensive console and a $60 game and expect all the content of said game. DLC is ok as long as it is available on disk.

It's 2011. Who doesn't have internet? It's as strange as having no running water or electricity.

Yeah it's strange but i just got it back a few weeks ago. Xbox live cards are expensive when your saving up for things and don't get allowance.

You only need live gold to play online games. You don't need it to download DLC

 

[luckshotpro]

I buy used games sometimes at this little local store. They had a used Mortal Kombat 2 weeks after release for $35

 

[aba1]

Thank you! Also, I gota ask, how many people actually buy used games? I hardly know anyone who buys used games, or hard copies in general.

I almost exclusivly buy used and exclusivly buy hard copys. I dont like that the job market is shrinking and the population is growing it worries me that the in the future my children will be forced to live on the street because things are simply to simple so there are no jobs. So I like to buy things in such a way that I support as many people as possible if I buy the hard copy I support the printing company as well as the plastic company making the case and the disk companys and lastly the dev then I am supporting the store I bought it from and the shipping company that brought the games to the store so all in all I am helping save around 7 differnt companys by not directly downloading.

 

[FalloutJack]

Rage: Get over it.

Make me.

Here's the problem. The whole thing is still backwards, doing it wrong, jumping through hoops and doing loop-de-loops without reason. Your explanation is all nice and dandy, but you shouldn't have to make it because they shouldn't have to DO it. Ya follow? This is never going to be a step in the right direction. It's always going to set a bad precident, the wrong message, and get people pissed.

 

[Yopaz]

Well, where does it stop?

Think of it this way.
If you sell your car onto someone else, thus it becoming second hand; does the car manufacturer have the right to take the seats away from the recipient just because in their point of view, they're losing profit?
From your perspective, they do.
It'll apply for other things too if this kind of thing continues such as maybe, scenes from movies?
I think adding content rather than taking away is a better incentive to buy brand new.

Aaah, never get tired of the car analogy. When you buy a new car you get a 5 year warranty on it. All problems that aren't connected to things you have done wrong are covered by this. If you buy a car used you're only protected against preexisting conditions that weren't informed about. So when you buy a new car you do actually pay for 5 years of support. When you need to replace a part you need to get a part manufactured by that dealer or someone who is licensed to make parts for the car. Newer cars require more specific cars than older so you can't use any part from any kind of car anymore. So a huuuuge difference here: a car is not a one time payment, video games are. A car manufacturer can suddenly cash in for a car sold 15 years ago or more.

 

[seraphy]

I have to agree, people are way overreacting to this. I think that its not really that big of a deal. Its not like important story stuff is being left out. It is just side missions, no different than the project 10 dollar stuff that EA is doing with most of its games.

While I agree. This is sort of thing gamers should not support or accept, even though this is small thing, these sort of things might lead to worse crap later.

Seriously what is wrong with developers, they are trying to piss me off with these things now more than ever.

Bethesda being douche and suing Mojang, Blizzard and their stupid internet connection thing on a single player game. And now this, not that I ever intended to buy this game. I had every intention to buy other two thought.

I can't buy any games anymore soon, since everyone in the game industry seems to have become some sort of moron.

 

[Yopaz]

Cerberus network comes free with the purchase of a new game.
Sewers come free with the purchase of a new game.
Cerberus network can be bought as a dlc if you bought the game used.
The sewers can be bought as dlc if you bought the game used.
Cerberus Netowrk activation gives you 2 extra missions + some weapons.
The sewers give you one new place to explore.

So far they're not very different in my opinion. They're both extra content that you can buy if you bought the game used,

Also, do you blame developers for doing this?
If a game doesn't sell well enough there wont be a sequel. Now if 30% of the sales were second hand sales that cut into 30% of the sales. So let's say 100 million copies has to be sold for the game to get a sequel. Let's say the game sells 120 million copies. According to the publisher's statistics that means the game sold 84 million copies. Thus no release.

Also keep in mind this extreme scenario: All GameStops go bankrupt. Can Developers still make games? Yes.
All developers go bankrupt. Can GameStop still sell games? For a time, yes, but on a long term view, no they can't.
If developers suffer, GameStop suffers. If GameStop suffers developers earn more money.
Now, which party's suffering creates the most suffering and which party could you live without?

Have to stop you there at the bolded part. I have a monthly budget for computer games. The simplistic representation is

wage - bills = games budget*.

Lets say in a given month my games budget
comes to £50. So, I can either buy 1 game new or 2 games second hand. Therefore my 2 second hand purchases do not equal 2 lost sales. Additionally, whomever I bought the 2 second hand games from now has £50 they can spend on a new game. Thats probably WHY they were selling second hand in the first place.

To be honest, fuck gamestop. Brick and mortar stores dedicated to games are doomed. Lets kill em and be done. As I said above, my argument is more that this ALSO stops me lending or gifting this game and it is liable to escalate. Sure, now its one or two missions that you lose second hand. What is the line? are you going to be happy when a game loses 50% of content second hand? what if its 75% and the second hand copy becomes nothing more than a demo? If we don't say no to this trend it will continue and it will escalate.

*and booze and DVD, but that clouds the issue.

You're right. You're totally right. We should stop caring about publishers and developers and only buy used. Game developers and publishers is the least important part of gaming. Every good game has already been made already. I think publishers should cancel all 2011 releases. All other releases for that matter too. We wouldn't have to boycott games then, they would boycott us.

OK, so let's turn off the sarcasm. Do you really think screaming boycott helps? Most of those who scream will buy it anyway. If we again were to say that boycotts were to cut into 30% sales, on top of 30% second hand it would just hurt the developer more. Guess what that would lead to? Claims that they lost sales due to piracy and extreme second hand sales. This would create a DRM that's even more of a pain in the ass than what we got and cutting more content.

Also if you can get the content for free if you buy it new, what's the big fucking deal if you can also get the same content with paying some extra after buying the used one?
Publisher cuts 50% of the content, you buy the game at 50% price and pays to unlock full content. Developers still receive money, you still get the full game.
Also Rage doesn't really remove content. It gives you content for buying it new. New content, not on the disc, just go ahead and download it, it's there, waiting for you. How is that a bad thing? If you buy a pen used, it's fully functional, it even got all the ink left. Will you boycott the pen just because you get an extra ink cartridge if you buy the same pen new?
Seriously, The Escapist screwed up with the name of their article inspiring more Rage than this really needed.
Finally, if your favourite franchise or game didn't get a sequel because there weren't enough sales. Would that mean anything to you? What if the game got a sequel because so many bought dlc.

Now again: Rage does not cut content for used games. Rage gives you extra content for new games. Now repeat that before you even think of answering, if you do decide to reply, tell me how this is any different from any other game that offers free dlc for buying new games.