Ultrajoe said:
I contest this. 1 and 2 are textbook examples of somebody interpreting desire or a proposition from a passive action (dressing), and the second literally refers to a woman's body as 'something', with no address to the individual's preference. 3, I admit, is merely a statement of possibility, but I argue its inclusion is valid because of the context; we know it's from a lad's mag. Were it revealed to be from a rapist the implications would be less benign. 4 recommends sex as a substitute for apology, 5 is blatantly entitled to someone else's body, 6 is stating that all women like dirty talk and 7 advocates rape. 8 I admit is benign, even if it indicates some troubling attitudes to women. 9 is like 3, it's valid in its context because we don't know who said it, but given it's actually from a rapist it would be interesting to note what 'willingly' entails. 10 through 13 are all talking about the desirability of a woman in a position of vulnerability (as are many others) and the last three are concerned with women being natural victims.
Can't resist, though this'll be my last post. Figured I'd break them down by quote.
'1. There's a certain way you can tell that a girl wants to have sex . . . The way they dress, they flaunt themselves.'
Again, the '...' always makes a quote suspect to me, but saying that there are signs you can spot to know when a woman wants sex doesn't imply you can do it without consent. She may want sex, but not with you.
2. Some girls walk around in short-shorts . . . showing their body off . . . It just starts a man thinking that if he gets something like that, what can he do with it?
"if he gets something like that', in other words, no indication that you can take it without consent. This one is bad enough that I would be curious how many people got this one right.
3. A girl may like anal sex because it makes her feel incredibly naughty and she likes feeling like a dirty slut. If this is the case, you can try all sorts of humiliating acts to help live out her filthy fantasy.
Like I said, totally true statement, and I've known girls like this.
4. Mascara running down the cheeks means they've just been crying, and it was probably your fault . . . but you can cheer up the miserable beauty with a bit of the old in and out.
Again, the '...' makes it incredibly suspect, and again, no talking about lack of consent, though admittedly in extremely poor taste.
5. What burns me up sometimes about girls is dick-teasers. They lead a man on and then shut him off right there.
Some girls do lead guys on. So? Still no indication that it's justifying rape or a lack of a need for consent.
6. Filthy talk can be such a turn on for a girl . . . no one wants to be shagged by a mouse . . . A few compliments won't do any harm either . . . 'I bet you want it from behind you dirty whore' . . .
It says filthy talk CAN be a turn on, that's not an indication in the slightest that all women like dirty talk.
7. You know girls in general are all right. But some of them are bitches . . . The bitches are the type that . . . need to have it stuffed to them hard and heavy.
Ridiculous sentence with the sheer amount of '...' they had to put in, but as stated this one actually does imply rape (and is from a rapist).
8. Escorts . . . they know exactly how to turn a man on. I've given up on girlfriends. They don't know how to satisfy me, but escorts do.
As you said, benign.
9. You'll find most girls will be reluctant about going to bed with somebody or crawling in the back seat of a car . . . But you can usually seduce them, and they'll do it willingly.
Seduce does not imply lack of consent (in fact it implies the ability to get consent) and anyone who isn't a sociopath will understand what 'willingly' means, and if they don't it's doubtful that getting rid of "Zoo" magazine will make a difference there.
10. There's nothing quite like a woman standing in the dock accused of murder in a sex game gone wrong . . . The possibility of murder does bring a certain frisson to the bedroom.
I'm gonna be honest, I have no idea what the hell this sentence is talking about, but again, nothing in it about rape or not needing consent.
11. Girls ask for it by wearing these mini-skirts and hotpants . . . they're just displaying their body . . . Whether they realise it or not they're saying, 'Hey, I've got a beautiful body, and it's yours if you want it.'
As mentioned earlier, this one does imply rape, and is said by a rapist.
12. You do not want to be caught red-handed . . . go and smash her on a park bench. That used to be my trick.
I'm going to assume 'smash' is some sort of slang because otherwise I'm confused about what the hell this sentence is going on about, but again, nothing here about lack of consent or rape.
13. Some women are domineering, but I think it's more or less the man who should put his foot down. The man is supposed to be the man. If he acts the man, the woman won't be domineering.
This one is very vague because people are going to have a million definitions of what "acting the man" means. Likewise, there's no mention of sex in here, so this could be talking about anything regarding relationships, something as simple as "act like a man and pick the restaurant". Also, since they said "I think" it reflects that this is only their opinion. Likewise, I've heard plenty of women say things very similar to this, ie. "a man should act like a man and take charge". I'd hardly say they were advocating for more rape.
14. I think if a law is passed, there should be a dress code . . . When girls dress in those short skirts and things like that, they're just asking for it.
Again, this one does imply rape, and was said by a rapist.
15. Girls love being tied up . . . it gives them the chance to be the helpless victim.
Again with the '...', and I'll admit this one is a little creepy, but still nothing that says or really implies "and if she says no, keep going'. Also, I've seen similar quotes in women's mags advocating tying a guys hands to the bedposts because "it's a turn on when he's helpless".
16. I think girls are like plasticine, if you warm them up you can do anything you want with them.
In this case, I think it's pretty clear that he's saying if you get a girl sufficiently hot and bothered in the bedroom then inhibitions go out the window (which, in my experience, is frequently true). He probably could have worded things a lot better, but if we have to start putting asterisks after our sentences with legalese at the bottom of the page then I give up.
And last: "Were it revealed to be from a rapist the implications would be less benign."
Well of course, you could apply that to EVERYTHING when it comes to criminals. Saying "I had sex last night!" is obviously way more benign coming from average Joe citizen than coming from a convicted rapist, just like saying "I got a new car!" is much less benign if it came from a known car thief, or someone saying "look at this diamond necklace I got!" coming from a jewel thief.
