Razer CEO: No PS3 Accessories Because I Barely Play Mine

[zalithar]

Which is it? He either has little to do with the direction and design of his products or hes such a rampant fanboy that he cuts his companies nose off to spite its face? Thats the most obvious one.

Do you not understand what you are saying? He controls the direction not the design. He would not be the one to make the peripheral but he is the one saying not to make it.

Min-liang Tan seems to favor PCs more anyways. Razor makes more PC accessories than Xbox accessories; so calling him an Xbox fan boy rings hollow.

If you are going to quote please don't cherry pick, I wasn't one the one claiming any of those things.

tu quoque, and yes you did say that. To quote again;

Which is it? He either has little to do with the direction and design of his products or hes such a rampant fanboy that he cuts his companies nose off to spite its face? Thats the most obvious one.

Those are your words. You stated that he could either not have much to do with the design or direction of PS3 peripherals or he is a "rampant fanboy." I said that this statement is a false dichotomy (sorry should have put that explicitly). He can control direction not design The CEO has a large say in a company's direction, though he would not be designing the product himself. you attempted to combat a fallacy with a fallacy.

Though if you want me to address your other two points, fine (you really did not need to use a paragraph for these you know).
First paragraph, others have already pointed out that he may be streamlining his experience by only playing one system; but that is a horribly stupid reason to not expand into another market with almost identical requests, just some adjustments for the different controllers (also, I grew up with Sony and have been called a Sony fanboy before; but I have an Xbox 360 sitting beside my PS3 right now. Don't use sweeping generalizations like that, it's a fallacy).
Second paragraph, if you really want to go that way the same can be said of your entire post minus the "reading between the lines." Since I live close to America (thank god not in, they've got some scary shit going on in their government) I can tell to never take what a company spokesman says at face value, That's stupid.

 

[J Tyran]

Those are your words.

You are cherry picking me and misreprensting my position, what I actually posted was:-

I was going to tick off the fallacies and contradictions in this post, I shouldnt have too but lets do some of them at least.

It's not like he's personally designing the goddamn products in his basement.

In the next breath:-

He's a rampant M$ fanboy taking the opportunity to slag a Sony product, that's all there is to it.

Which is it? He either has little to do with the direction and design of his products or hes such a rampant fanboy that he cuts his companies nose off to spite its face?

To point out the contradictions in the post I was deconstructing, I am not saying these things its the person I quoted claiming both of these in the same post. I was pointing out the contradictions, not stating either position was true. Neither did I call the Razer CEO a fanboy, I was arguing that he was not all along

As for the rest of your... digression I think that stands on its own "merits" and I don't need to say anymore. Just stop cherry picking quotes from me and misrepresenting them out of context please.

 

[luvd1]

Well that's a good way to get free publicity for your company, well done sir, well done.

 

[Arawn]

I figure most are offended by the "dust off my PS3" comment, but I know people that can say the same about their 360 and Wii. Everyone will have a difference of opinion about each system. Can't hate him for that. I rarely buy any accessories for my systems other than the official units. If you're a fanboy wouldn't you support that company instead of someone else? Raging at him for not making PS3 stuff seems pointless. Like many I never heard of this guy or his company before now, only a couple of people I've asked in the last few minutes of reading this article knew the brand. He's gaining points with those agree with his comments. So let him make his products, and let them buy all they can afford. Doesn't hurt or hinder me in any way.

 

[zalithar]

Those are your words.

You are cherry picking me and misreprensting my position, what I actually posted was:-
Just stop cherry picking quotes from me and misrepresenting them out of context please.

Those are your words.

You are cherry picking me and misreprensting my position, what I actually posted was:-

I was going to tick off the fallacies and contradictions in this post, I shouldnt have too but lets do some of them at least.

It's not like he's personally designing the goddamn products in his basement.

In the next breath:-

He's a rampant M$ fanboy taking the opportunity to slag a Sony product, that's all there is to it.

Which is it? He either has little to do with the direction and design of his products or hes such a rampant fanboy that he cuts his companies nose off to spite its face?

To point out the contradictions in the post I was deconstructing, I am not saying these things its the person I quoted claiming both of these in the same post. I was pointing out the contradictions, not stating either position was true. Neither did I call the Razer CEO a fanboy, I was arguing that he was not all along

As for the rest of your... digression I think that stands on its own "merits" and I don't need to say anymore. Just stop cherry picking quotes from me and misrepresenting them out of context please.

Yeah, that first one is not a contradiction. You made it a false dichotomy. He does not need to know how to make the peripherals, he just has to say they should be made. BOTH CAN BE TRUE, NOT JUST ONE; that is not a contradiction. Though I did forget a bit of context; you did not say that he is a fanboy or that the statements were true. though you insinuated that if the statements were to be true there would be a contradiction and Tan either had to be a fanboy or not involved with Razor's decisions or designs; which is an inaccurate quote. The original post you quoted said he was; not involved with design, and chose for the company not to maker peripherals for PS3 because he was a fanboy.

I should also mention that putting quotations around a single word like that should not raise suspicion about the validity of my argument (but this is the internet so it might anyways).

edit: forgot to mention that you should not have cherry picked from the original post you quoted.

 

[J Tyran]

BOTH CAN BE TRUE

Totally, I agree the CEO can be a fanboy of both the 360 and the PS3. Second paragraph of the quoted post was not insinuating the statements where false at all.

 

[Balimaar]

Gaming community says: ZOMG! Companies are making 3rd-party products for my gaming machine when none of the head honchos even play my [gaming machine brand]" Because they dont care about [gaming machine brand] they dont mak quality stuff!

RAZER says: KK, I'll only have my company make prdoucts for something I actually use on a regular basis.

Gaming community says: ZOMG! Razer is teh PS3 fanboy! Razer is teh stoopid!

Me to gaming community: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kuBQ_V1ZP2Q#t=18s


Speaking as a Sony fan, I find quite a few posts on this thread and the reactions on twitter and elsewhere to be ridiculous.

 

[Legion]

That is the definition of selfish, perhaps he ought to look it up. He makes products that he thinks he would want as a gamer, not what others might. That is textbook selfish behaviour.

I am not saying that as a criticism, because selfishness is not inherently bad, but his behaviour is pretty much the definition. He also should have asked "how" it was selfish, not "why".

To be honest it doesn't matter if be doesn't want to make them for the PS3. It is his time and money. If people want to argue that he "should" then perhaps they ought to try getting a commission for one.

 

[Amir Kondori]

Man these guys are total marketers. What a crock, I don't make things for money.

 

[zalithar]

BOTH CAN BE TRUE

Totally, I agree the CEO can be a fanboy of both the 360 and the PS3. Second paragraph of the quoted post was not insinuating the statements where false at all.

uhh...no? I just don't know anymore. You could try to explain what your trying to argue but at this point I've given up, and don't care to hear it. Have a good day (or night, whatever fits).

 

[MorphingDragon]

You spent ~$140US on a mechanical keybaord?

No I have a cheap 20$ Microsoft keyboard that pisses me off consistently and I want to replace it. The Deathadder is a 60$ mouse that I love.

Herp derp, thinking of black widow.

As for the rest, I don't like the Arvo's compressed design, but the G105 actually does look nice. I guess I just never considered looking at logitech for gaming equipment.

Take a look at that website. You could get a high quality mechanical keyboard + shipping for $80US.

 

[Don't taze me bro]

Let's be honest here. The Microsoft 360 controller is very good, except for the D-pad. Apart from the limited run of adjustable D-pad controllers, they're terrible for fighting games. That's an excellent reason for Razer to make fighting sticks and controllers for the 360. Controllers for the 360 also work for the PC, instantly increasing the audience for that controller.

While I am not a fan of the PS3 (and PS2 and 1) controllers, they do have a very usable d-pad.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

That's a dumb business move. Razer is a well known company and there are a lot of PS3 players out there. This guy is insane.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Eh, if he doesn't think the PS3 market is worth catering to it's his business and he can do what he wants with it.

Though considering how the PS3 is somewhat holding it's own at the end of this generation, I'm a bit skeptical that they wouldn't make a profit if they do cater to that market.

 

[Casual Shinji]

That is frankly a childish way of running a business. I mean, if it had to do with not liking the PS3's architecture or something, sure. But "We don't make products for it cuz I don't play PS3" is just a level of juvenility that is fucking staggering.

 

[IceForce]

Never heard of this company. And The Escapist, yet again, fails to provide any links or explanations in either this article, or previous Razor articles to explain who they are. However, the name of the person quoted looks Chinese; and if that's the case, leads me to presume they don't make very good quality products anyway.

Perhaps it's a good thing the PS3 isn't littered with more, cheap, knock-off crap.

So, you know nothing about it, but decide to insult it anyway?

Not cool man, not cool.

 

[omega 616]

"I design stuff I actually want as a gamer rather than sell stuff to gamers for money."

Well then, why do you run a company that makes gaming accessories? And why do you charge so much for them?

If it's a "I want it so I make it" kind of attitude, why wouldn't you just contain it to making it for yourself. To try and paint yourself as "I'm not in it for the money" while charging up to £135 for a mouse is fucking stupid.

I guess Bill Gates was just making things he wanted and not for the money, either

 

[Petromir]

"I design stuff I actually want as a gamer rather than sell stuff to gamers for money."

Well then, why do you run a company that makes gaming accessories? And why do you charge so much for them?

If it's a "I want it so I make it" kind of attitude, why wouldn't you just contain it to making it for yourself. To try and paint yourself as "I'm not in it for the money" while charging up to £135 for a mouse is fucking stupid.

I guess Bill Gates was just making things he wanted and not for the money, either

Massively missing his point.

His main motivation in designing a product is to make products that he would want to use, not ones designed purely to squeeze the most money out of people. He's not really saying he's not doing it to make money, he's saying that's not the main motivating factor in design. Also if profit isn't the driving force in your design you are fairly likely to come up with an expensive product. Hell as show of the result being more important than profit take one look at the Bugatti Veyron, a car that is a fantastic piece of engineering and design but that VW lose money on each one sold.

Plenty of people do jobs that make them money but that's not the reason they do that particular job.....