Reclaiming SJW

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I didn't even know that SJW was a thing until a few years ago. I don't care if someone calls me a SJW because I'm not exactally sure how it's supposed to be insulting. It's not as if any arguments against "social justice issues" are new. Its the same shit just lobbied at a different medium. Might as well be arguing on a superhero comic book website for all the difference it makes.
 

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Right I got it. Different thresholds of lunacy that can piss in the pool of competent argument. None of us likes it but *shrugs* eh. whacanyadoreally right?

Isn't kinda odd tho' they're eager to silence questions regarding head mate personalities in responses, like (why not write a novel or try some acting if you want to vicariously live through different personalities for awhile) when an open marketplace of ideas they oh so dislike, is the very foundation for their creative *shrug* expressions.

If only more folks that took the term social justice warrior, and demonstrated the 'justice is blind' part when chastising their fellow poster.

It'd be nice to see more friends being made out of intellectual enemies on the internet. Maybe that's already the case, but who can tell at this point.
 

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Honestly a lot of the SJW types are just holier-than-thou haters. Racism and sexism is rife, it's just that they hate whites, males and those who are comfortable with the gender identity that matches their sex, oh and sane people. It's the left-wing equivalent to right-wing white supremacist groups.

I used to identify as a male feminist, until I figured out just how cancerous feminism and any other us vs them ism is, even the term is divisive. I just consider myself an equalist/egalitarian now.
 

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The word warrior describing slacktivism is like a cosplay paladin entering a fight with a pool noodle sword...

Sorry, but to me, this can only describe ppl that found a safe echo-chamber where they can vent their personal real-life frustrations and bas experiences. This can't be a more beta personality trait imo.
 

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I never understood why fat people claim being thin is a privilege.

Surely having enough money to afford enough food to over eat makes you more privileged than somebody who can't, right?

Anyway, they've always came across as people whom didn't enjoy something and therefore have to insist that nobody else is allowed to enjoy it.

Rather strange, if you ask me.

Surely, if you didn't enjoy it, perhaps it's just not for you in the first place?

Either way, not going to happen.
 

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The Lunatic said:
I never understood why fat people claim being thin is a privilege.
It's because society (at present) looks down on fat people, and not thin people (on those grounds).

The Lunatic said:
Surely having enough money to afford enough food to over eat makes you more privileged than somebody who can't, right?
You're assuming being fat is simply due to eating more, and in most modern western nations, people (mostly) have enough food to eat. There are nutritional problems, yes, but these tend to make people more, not less, fat.
 

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I'm pretty sick of this 'check your privilege' movement from the SJW crowd. Its seeped into 'recognized' university 'programs' here in Canada and devolved into minority students gripping about the prejudice they've faced for a half hour or so, while majority 'SWM' ? straight white male ? students sit in their huddle talking about how peachy keen life is for them. The two huddles then get together so that the minority students can vent aggressively at the 'majority' students. And if any of those majority students have something to say, they're told: ?Check your privilege.? This isn't something they're told to make them think, it's something their told to make them shut up.

I've heard it both ways. I've heard: ?I spend so much time trying to teach these people how privileged they are and what they do to others, that sometimes I just don't want to talk about it anymore.? Which is fine... except you've started a dialogue and if you're done talking and the conflict remains, what else is there? So this is not valid in my opinion. And to avow that this term is used to silence discourse should sound warning alarms to anyone seriously interested in furthering social causes.

What I see in the Check your Privilege movement is all tactics and no strategy. Which is to say; minorities have found what they hope is a tool they can use to silence the majority. I see no strategy for implementing anything beyond silence though. And when talking fails all that's left is silent grudges; undertones of hate that can only build to overtones of hate and beyond... until dialogue is reestablished and with it some hope for something of a result.

I've also heard the argument that it makes people consider how privileged they are... Which I find not only disingenuous but counter intuitive. Such terms are used aggressively. Defensive people don't consider their privileges, they consider themselves under attack and in a potential position of weakness.

Finally I find the whole idea that at a glance you know what privileges someone has, to be bigoted. Some one may have the privilege of living in a city like mine and having access to public transportation such as the subway. This isn't a privilege if your claustrophobic and can't use the damn thing. And you don't see that at a glance in a person unless the first sight you get is them refusing to go into a small space. That a right exists doesn't mean it is exorcized or even valued by the individual possessing it. How many people DON'T vote? Some people like high stress environments. Some people like hot wax. Some people doubtless don't like aspects of society, even ones that others embrace wholeheartedly or wish they had the opportunity to. We're all different, we all have different underlying wants and different needs. Just because two people want to go to school doesn't mean the both want to take an economics course.

To my mind at best the Check your Privilege movement is to be a short lived and foolish flash in the pan ? they happen. At worst it almost seems like an active attempt to promote animosity between groups of people who need to be brought together, not shouted apart.
 

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It honestly concerns me that people want to use the phrase "Social Justice Warrior" unironically. To me the term itself has always rather strongly implied that the people it's used to describe have an inflated sense of self-importance (hence 'warrior'). People who actually do things and legitimately raise awareness are Social Justice Activists, not Warriors.
 

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Most inequity doesn't bother me one way or another- probably because as a white, physically fit male in his late twenties I don't suffer from any. To be honest, I'm so busy consuming all the tits-and-ass festooned entertainment I can that I just haven't got time to get wrapped up in frivolities like equal pay for X and Y and broadening the content in this or that medium to address the neglected needs of the Z and P demographic.

They're your inequities and your needs, so you fight for them. And while you're fighting you can call yourself whatever you want. Social Justice Warrior. Power Ranger. Super Saiyan. Knock yourself out.
 

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Candidus said:
Most inequity doesn't bother me one way or another- probably because as a white, physically fit male in his late twenties I don't suffer from any. To be honest, I'm so busy consuming all the tits-and-ass festooned entertainment I can that I just haven't got time to get wrapped up in frivolities like equal pay for X and Y and broadening the content in this or that medium to address the neglected needs of the Z and P demographic.

They're your inequities and your needs, so you fight for them. And while you're fighting you can call yourself whatever you want. Social Justice Warrior. Power Ranger. Super Saiyan. Knock yourself out.
That's very selfish, but I guess refreshingly honest.

The Plunk said:
As I've said before, social justice used to refer to a belief in an equitable share of income throughout society. It was always about socio-economic factors, and primarily it existed to help the working class. Modern "social justice" is pretty much just middle class, college-educated individuals complaining about the most insignificant of first world problems. White, male, cishet privilege doesn't mean shit for an unemployed, poor school dropout living in a town afflicted by urban deprivation and unmitigated de-industrialisation.
Unless, of course, you have to deal with racism, sexism, transphobia or homophobia, which don't go away just because the community is struck by poverty.

Now, you can argue that poverty is the bigger problem, fair enough. Doesn't mean the other problems aren't there.
 

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Hixy said:
You know starting off a post with how you are a self described SJW is not really putting your best foot forward considering what that term brings to mind at present. Also saying to someone ''check your privilege'' is basically always going to get a hostile response because it is a hostile statement in itself really. You are attacking them based on something outside their control like gender/orientation/race/wealth.
That they have privilege is not their doing, yes. Whether they keep it in check or not, however, is.

Hixy said:
Women have equal rights, its illegal to pay them less, it's illegal to discriminate on gender/race/orientation when hiring. Everybody votes and everybody can sit at the front of the bus. Feminism is over they got everything they wanted.
The problems didn't disappear just because most (hardly all) of them were made illegal.
 

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Good news: You don't need to reclaim anything, you already fit the description to a T.

Bad news: That's not a good thing.

[sub]Personally, I was just hoping this thread was a joke, but the reactions from posters on this thread seem to reveal how worryingly normal this stuff is... Depressing.[/sub]
 

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dragonswarrior said:
I will continue to tell privileged folk to check their privilege despite the bad wrap that phrase has gotten, and I will continue to fight the good fight with words and deeds no matter how often the ignorant try to pull me down!! Huzzah!!
Might I suggest you not tell people to "check their privilege"? As others here have said, the idea behind it is about self reflection. Used by someone against someone else, it comes off as an ad hominem attack. It is presumptuous and is often both racist and sexist. This is why the term has a bad wrap, because people have transformed it into a hammer with which to silence and shout down dissenters, which when used that way tends to vary somewhere between a logical fallacy and bigotry.
 

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Alright, I guess?
Keep fighting your werewolves and stuff. I never got into RP myself but I can't blame anyone for doing what they like.
 

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Hixy said:
I'm sorry but how does one keep their privilege in check might I ask??
Mostly by recognising that other people aren't you, that you aren't an expert on their lives, and that things that are perfectly fine for you might not be for others.

This is a lot harder, and more painful, than it sounds.

Hixy said:
There are real feminist issues in middle eastern, Asian and African countries but nothing significant in the U.S. or Europe in my surely unpopular opinion.
So...rape isn't a real feminist issue in the West? In many parts of the US, rape kits aren't tested, they are thrown into storage and forgotten about. Topeka, Kansas decriminalised domestic violence to save money. US Republican leaders have said they want to render the right to an abortion meaningless. Sexual assault is covered up by schools and religious groups and the military.

Now, these are just the issues I can think of off the top of my head, there's a lot more, of course. Feminism still has a long way to go, and every step of the way, people will say that it's come far enough, or perhaps too far.