Recurring game arguments you've noticed

Antitonic

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The only one that really annoys me is the whole idea like "If you're not playing it on PC, you're doing it wrong", or similar things.

I'm sorry, does my console-based opinion offend you? Clearly it's impossible for me to enjoy a game unless I use a computer, so why don't I just throw everything I own away and go live in the mountains?

I respect that people have their preferences. I don't need to have them forced on me. You're a PC gamer? Good for you. I'm not, and it shouldn't bother you.
 

Vault101

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"graphics dont matter.."

you know what? they kind of do...at least for me
 

Lilani

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Dirty Hipsters said:
Horror games should never be super colorful, it completely takes away from their purpose. I also think that the first Gears of War had the best color aesthetics and Gears 2 and 3 ruined those aesthetics by adding color.
Horror has less to do with aesthetics and more to do with overall atmosphere and psychological anticipation. It's not hard to to horror with bright colors at all, I mean lots of people area already terrified of clowns. No, I'm certain you can do excellent horror in brown, foggy Silent Hill or in Pee-Wee's bright and garish playhouse. It's all about the presentation.

Battleaxx90 said:
Every damn time I see or make a thread about the new KH game, there's always SOMEBODY bitching about he doesn't like the series anymore and/or won't get it because it's no longer PS2/3-exclusive. Does that count?

Also, people complaining about the spinoffs (CoM, Days, BBS and Re:Coded) tend to dismiss them due to the fact that they're not KH3. What they tend to forget is that Word Of God has essentially said that KH3 will make no goddamn sense without the info from these games. That really ticks me off.

Just calm down, you zetta sons of digits! KH3 WILL come, I assure you!
Sure they're good games, hell I liked BBS even more than I liked KH2. I think another reason people are so resentful of these "spinoffs" is because they're all on different consoles. I mean not even including CoM which they remade for the PS2, just to play them all you'd need a Nintendo DS, a 3DS, and a PSP. That is three different consoles. That is just obnoxious, especially since the first games started out on the PS2 and GBA, which were the two most common consoles of that era. The fact that Square keeps making us chase down all these different consoles just to enjoy the series shows a lack of commitment on their part, which of course is going to weaken our trust that they'll ever get around to making a proper KH3. So personally, I really don't think this impatience is without cause.

Anyway, on topic, I can't stand any arguments regarding "hardcore gaming" or the Wii not being a "true" console because it's "gimmicky". Just shut up, people. The ones who whine about certain games not being hardcore, like iOS games or the Wii, are just angry because this hobby, which for so long they've used to hold themselves above the rest of world, is now becoming accessible to and popular among all the people who gave them a hard time about playing games in the past. They are resenting this change because being a gamer will no longer be an exclusive club and hideaway for the outcasts of the world. And they really need to just get over it.

Not to mention the Wii is the most successful console out there right now. It's bringing more people into gaming than there ever have been before, and it's broadening the market and type of games available. So yeah, screw the Wii. We wouldn't want the games industry to be diverse and have something for everyone, and we certainly wouldn't want it to be successful or anything. That would just make the industry too much money and would lead to too many new ways of playing.
 

ZeroMachine

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Weentastic said:
"If its fun, why does it matter". This is a terrible argument that gets used by people who I'm pretty sure have brain damage. They seems to be pretty easy to entertain with very simple games. Especially when I would say, criticize game design decisions that lower immersion, simplify, or otherwise cheapen something that I used to think was enriching. This argument assumes that everyone approaches a game with the same expectations. If I buy a game expecting an enriching, engaging experience involving a deep storyline, but am instead confronted with simplistic gameplay that some might consider "fun", I have a right to be dissapointed.
Although I understand that you 100% have the right to criticize a game, but claiming those that enjoy games because they're fun that you don't enjoy for whatever reason have brain damage? Totally uncalled for. Obnoxiously rude. Disturbingly elitist. Show some respect. Some people just enjoy the simple things in life. That doesn't make them stupid or brain damaged. Just different from you.

Which brings me to my point- anything along the lines of "I'm a better gamer because I'm this type of gamer."

No, you aren't. As with EVERYTHING, although quality of a game can be measured on technical aspects, when it comes down to the individual, what matters it if they find it fun or enjoyable or immersive or whatever.

Someone (somewhere, somehow) may have enjoyed Superman 64 and found it to be an amazing and immersive game. Yes, technically, it sucks, and games like it shouldn't be made. But what matters for that game to that strange and mysterious someone who actually enjoyed it, is quite simply, that they enjoyed it. It doesn't make them a worse gamer at all. Just different from the norm.

On a lesser note, I hate it when people say things like "Modern Warfare and/or Halo have no story, lulz". Yeah, they do. Shut up. Deal with it.

Also, "THEY RELEASE THE SAME GAME EVERY TIME" in regards to the CoDs and Zeldas and Halos and Assassins Creeds. Fucking. Hate. That.
 

TitenSxull

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The one that really gets me is arguments against the casualization of games. People whining when games are too easy or do too much hand-holding or are dumbed down for a mass audience. As much as people complain that casualization cuts down on creativity and risk taking having no one but core gamers buy games makes gaming a TINY MARKET in which innovation and new technology emerge just as slowly. If video games is a viable industry in which profits can be made it has be open accessible to the general public.

I also see no reason why Call of Duty or insert modern game people ***** about here, is any easier than something like Super Mario, both games are accessible and can be played and enjoyed by a mass audience. In some ways yes casualization cuts down on developers being willing to take big risks with their games but if their market was limited only to hardcore gamers, if they had only a small demographic to make their money, progress would take just as long and be just as rare.

Take, for example, a classic set of games, Doom and Doom II. Doom II looks almost identical to the original, so much so that if it came out today people would complain that it "might as well be DLC" for the original. While certainly consumers are deserving of a good product I think that there is a sense of entitlement about games that often goes beyond legitimate criticism. People just sitting around complaining that casual gamers ruined gaming and cut off creativity aren't doing gaming any favors.
 
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game "x" is better than game "y", so stop playing that garbage and play this *insert negative casual gamer name here*

good god this is annoying to no end, the amount of elitism dripping off these posts makes me want to go insane.

not much else i can say about it other than that it is extremely ignorant.
 

phereck

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"Why is the new (XCOM)(Syndicate) a shooter"!!!!!???? (cries a lot)
I can see why this is upsetting, but both games look amazing and as a fan of Syndicate and Syndicate Wars this reboot still makes me happy, The new XCOM may be the most innovative shooter I've seen in a while and it looks great, but I'm gonna admit I never got into XCOM because I hate turn based strategy :/
 

Moonlight Butterfly

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People who don't understand why Final Fantasy 13 and DA2 are bad.

They are bad becuase they have taken a decent and engaging games franchise and turned them into interactive movies with about as much input as this:

Ironically as movies they are even bad because the plots are terrible...

If squeenix and bioware had brought those games out under their own IP's I would have happily let people who liked them get on with it. As it is I wasted my money and that makes me a sad panda.

I tried to write this as a neutral 'this is an argument I have noticed' but I can't I'm just too angry. (lol)
 

Weentastic

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ZeroMachine said:
Although I understand that you 100% have the right to criticize a game, but claiming those that enjoy games because they're fun that you don't enjoy for whatever reason have brain damage? Totally uncalled for. Obnoxiously rude. Disturbingly elitist. Show some respect. Some people just enjoy the simple things in life. That doesn't make them stupid or brain damaged. Just different from you.

Which brings me to my point- anything along the lines of "I'm a better gamer because I'm this type of gamer."

No, you aren't. As with EVERYTHING, although quality of a game can be measured on technical aspects, when it comes down to the individual, what matters it if they find it fun or enjoyable or immersive or whatever.

Someone (somewhere, somehow) may have enjoyed Superman 64 and found it to be an amazing and immersive game. Yes, technically, it sucks, and games like it shouldn't be made. But what matters for that game to that strange and mysterious someone who actually enjoyed it, is quite simply, that they enjoyed it. It doesn't make them a worse gamer at all. Just different from the norm.

On a lesser note, I hate it when people say things like "Modern Warfare and/or Halo have no story, lulz". Yeah, they do. Shut up. Deal with it.
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Hop off your white horse there for a moment and you'll find you missed the point of the comment. My whole point was that they themselves say, "what does it matter". That implies that they are themselves disregarding my own viewpoints or criticisms all in favor of one single, ill-defined concept that they call "fun". They can't seem to describe "fun" in a very detailed manner, they just know it when they see it. So, no, I'm not calling every COD fan a retard, I'm saying the ones who try to invalidate my criticism of Black Ops's anachronisms because they had "fun" with the game are brain damaged. I suppose I'm going to have to make my posts longer so that people like you don't automatically assume I'm a rude, elitist asshole. But then the people who comment in a single line to well thought out criticisms with, "I liked it, I think you're just whining" probably wouldn't have the patience to read it. I'm not an elitist because I like it when games pay attention to detail, but I do think that it follows that someone who has less stringent and well defined criteria for entertainment is more easily entertained than I am. They don't have brain damage because they have different tastes than I do, they have brain damage because they completely invalidate my opinion, kinda like how you tried to invalidate my opinion by completely misunderstanding it.
 

Moonlight Butterfly

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Nigh Invulnerable said:
I think the best response to most of the "arguments" being mentioned thus far is simply The Dude
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Isn't there a point where something can be objectively bad? I think people use the 'well that's your opinion' argument too much on these forums. You could just say that about everything and there would be no standards for anything ever.

'If someone said 'Well I like Big Rigs over the road racing and therefore it's just as good as Skyrim!'

for example...
 

RatRace123

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I don't think I've heard the argument about Bioware, OP. It seems to be the other way around lately.

And the argument that I've noticed and always has pissed me off is

"Is (apple) better than (orange)?"

or more commonly

"(apple) is way better than (orange)!"

People comparing their current "FAVORIT GAM EVAH!" to a completely unrelated game that they don't like.
That argument just pisses me off for its sheer pointlessness.
 

vidirg

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Vault101 said:
"graphics dont matter.."

you know what? they kind of do...at least for me
not necessarily some games have such good gameplay values that the graphics don't matter as much.
Like Minecraft it's probably one of the ugliest games I've played but it's still really fun.
 

Moonlight Butterfly

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vidirg said:
Vault101 said:
"graphics dont matter.."

you know what? they kind of do...at least for me
not necessarily some games have such good gameplay values that the graphics don't matter as much.
Like Minecraft it's probably one of the ugliest games I've played but it's still really fun.
I think it's more that the artstyle fits the game. That's the most important thing.
 

Confidingtripod

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RatRace123 said:
I don't think I've heard the argument about Bioware, OP. It seems to be the other way around lately.

And the argument that I've noticed and always has pissed me off is

"Is (apple) better than (orange)?"

or more commonly

"(apple) is way better than (orange)!"

People comparing their current "FAVORIT GAM EVAH!" to a completely unrelated game that they don't like.
That argument just pisses me off for its sheer pointlessness.
It has died down a bit, what inspired the topic was someone trying to get it back up, really my issue is not that its different, my issue is that it felt like a rip-off, ME1 I spent a good 100 hours at atleast, ME2 didnt give me the same lever of entertainment, its not a bad game I just felt like it was made to appeal to a different audiance than the first, wich is kind of insulting to be tossed aside in search of greener pastures, just my oppinion.

And to your point, yes... that is very annoying, it usually feels like people just trying to start a fight.
 

akkronym

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For me, this argument crops up on a near daily basis. The argument that PC Gamers are better than console gamers or the PC is better than anything else out there or that PC Gaming is inherently superior to everything else; not as a matter of preference but as if it is some written in stone conclusion that only silly people don't believe. In reality, it still just comes down to which do you like more.

I'm a console gamer - and by that I mean that I prefer to use a controller over a keyboard and that's as far as the preference goes. I have a laptop with decent specs and I play a great deal of indie PC games, mods, and go out of my way to try and pick up some PC only exclusives.

That said, the ID that console gamers have a lesser gaming experience because they aren't PC gamers is hokum. First it assumes that the average console gamer has one console and no computer. Why? Because at the end of the day, you only need a designated gaming rig to play a small fraction of PC games and a lot of those are even multiplatform - you can argue which is the best experience but then it usually again comes down to preference (first over whether that particular game is even enjoyable).

Second, with the exception of illegal activity (yes, yes torrents and such. I do it to, but when talking about which system is better, you can't really include stuff that's against the law because it's not a very far leap down the slippery slope to say "Well what if I rob a gamestop? Then I have games I'm not supposed to as well." It's a stupid argument yes, but the point is simply illegal activity is what you do with your system, not the experience it provides), in order to get the most out of PC gaming, you have to spend much more money than a console gamer would. If you have a really really good Gaming rig - like $1500-2000 - or even a pretty good one - $800-1200 often times, you can buy all three major consoles and several games for each; just for the price of the PC. If you buy a good gaming PC at the launch date of a console, they'll become useless at about the same time - average life of a console (at least this generation) 5-7 years. It doesn't lasts about the same amount of time and if you get all three consoles instead of the PC what you have is each access every exclusive that didn't get a PC port for each console (this year that includes LoZ, Uncharted 3, and Gears 3 among many others), a PC of your own to play low spec games, and the only major games you missed out on were RTSs, MMOs, and the occasional high graphics FPS.

Not to mention that PCs aren't one size fits all so if you want to play a game but you don't have the specs for it, your big budget computer is now immediately outdated. If you have a problem, it could be anything from the game, to a virus, to a hardware problem. Some games, even after purchase, aren't ready to go out of the box either - I know from personal experience (just using this as an example) Battlefield 2 uses an anti-cheating software called punkbuster and if you download the game from Steam, it thinks the Steam overlay is cheating software and kicks you from the game. Depending on if you are familiar with the problem or not and familiar with computers in general, it can take anywhere from 15 minutes to two hours to get yourself to a point where you can actually play Battlefield 2 - mostly because that's not the only issue with the game. Once you have it up, sure it's a great multiplayer game, but compared to the alternative where you just slide in a disc and within a minute, you're ready to go: standardized consoles definitely have a point to make about their simplicity.

Don't get me wrong; if you have to have only one - get a PC; for any price it has the best selection. But if you aren't limited to only one (which is sort of silly in most cases; why would you have to choose between a PS3 or having any computer?), the price of getting into it doesn't even make sense as a factual argument. Ultimately it will always come down to preference. "How do you like to play your games?" and "What type of games do you like to play?" I've got no problem with PC gamers that prefer playing on PC but it pisses me off to no end hearing PC fanboys jump into an equally juvenile "PS3 vs 360" console war and say "PC is better than both lololololol go home noob." and pat themselves on the back for a job well done putting down the masses of console gamers for their pitiful controllers. When you play only the PC you miss out on just as many, if not more exclusives than you would with simply one console and a decent PC, and you miss out on just as many potential genres (motion gaming and peripheral music gaming just to name a couple off the top of my head).





TL;DR PC Gamers that think they are better than everyone else annoy me. I find their argument very silly and often self-aggrandizing.
 

Drop_D-Bombshell

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Any game arguement.

CoD Vs Battlefied
Xbox Vs PS3
Wii bashing
complaints about a new game in a franchise.

just seriously....Uugh... >.<
 

Confidingtripod

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akkronym said:
-Snipped for length, not trying to be disrespectfull-
That was an amazing well thought out argument, I also have felt that it was a preferance thing, I started out gaming on PC but moved to PS2 due to the simple fact my PC outdated and also I feel more immersed when I use a controller, therefore arguments of keyboard-mouse being better confused me due to my own oppinion being that they felt streched out, but yes, it is preferance and fans feeling threatened and I feel your post really encompases the type of thing I like to see, well thought out, fair explination of oppinion, thankyou for the read.