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I like this comic. None of what I'm about to say is directed at the comic. But what strikes me as odd in this thread is all of the men who judge 50 Shades of Grey. If you are a straight male and you like vanilla sex, 50 Shades of Grey wasn't written for you. It's like when people who don't like huge tits buy Dead or Alive and then demand that they stop with the huge tits. Dead or Alive wasn't made for you. It was made for me and people like me who share my appreciation/fetish for huge, unrealistic tits. So don't come in here and impose your standards on our game. If you don't like huge tits, don't buy a game with huge tits. I could understand if it was the only fighting game on earth, but it's not. There are plenty of other fighting games, go play those and leave ours alone.

By the same note, 50 Shades of Grey was written mostly for women/people attracted to men, and people into BDSM and steamy, kinda-corny romance. So if none of that appeals to you, don't buy it and then get mad when it doesn't meet your personal standards. I could understand if it was the only book on earth, but it is most definitely not. And even if some of the stuff that happens in the book is dangerous, so what? A lot of the stuff that happens in a sexual fantasy is dangerous. A lot of the stuff that happens in fantasies is downright implausible. That's why it's a fantasy. That's why it needs to be written down, because it can't happen in real life. You're supposed to indulge your fantasies. You're supposed to have a good relationship with pleasure, and you're supposed be honest with yourself about what you're into. Because if you repress your sexuality, if you repress your urges and deny them, all of that pent-up energy turns against you and messes with your head, until you end up doing some really messed up things.

I'm not into 50 Shades of Grey. It's not my thing. But I've got all three volumes. Because after all the shit this woman put up with, I felt like being a rebel and giving her my money. Good for her, indulging her fantasies and apparently the fantasies of other women out there. It's healthy to do that, and that's her right. I don't judge people for what they're into. You can't help what you're into. It's not a choice. As long as you're not hurting anybody else, and as long as you never try to re-create anything implausible or dangerous in reality (and they usually don't. Don't give me that "they end up needing to do it in real life" bullshit because that's not how it works), then I love and tolerate you for the individual you are. I think everybody's a little bit freakier than they'd like to admit, and most of us have some sort of fetish even if we aren't aware of it yet.

So be yourself. Fantasize. Indulge. You've got to have a good relationship with pleasure. And maybe through fantasy, you'll find something safe (enough) and fun that you can try with your partner, which may even strengthen your relationship.
 

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Grey Carter said:
Flaery said:
Yes, Cory and Grey, you are the straightest shotas.

This is the first comic in quite a bit that I can really relate to.
Is your avatar from Nana to Kaoru?
Certainly so, Kaoru is one handsome bastard.
 

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Wait a minute, doesn't "kawaii" mean something like "scary." So how could a non-threatening guy be scary?

...Fuck, I'm such a super-nerd.
 

Flaery

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Iron Lightning said:
Wait a minute, doesn't "kawaii" mean something like "scary." So how could a non-threatening guy be scary?

...Fuck, I'm such a super-nerd.
You're thinking of kowai, it doesn't have the extra "e" sound at the end.
 

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Flaery said:
Iron Lightning said:
Wait a minute, doesn't "kawaii" mean something like "scary." So how could a non-threatening guy be scary?

...Fuck, I'm such a super-nerd.
You're thinking of kowai, it doesn't have the extra "e" sound at the end.
awww, super-nerd status revoked.
 

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Caramel Frappe said:
I wouldn't judge people for say, liking Twilight, 50 Shades of Grey, or whatever. Because perhaps the things I like could be seen just as bad. For example, I really enjoy playing Black Ops 2 while a lot of people despise the franchise. Though to be fair, it's a video game and my girlfriend enjoys it too. If she started getting.. into, books like... the Grey one, um.... we'd have a talk.

I'd basically tell her what most people think of it - it's for moms that want more of 'spice' in their life. I did not quote that, people on the internet have stated this way before I even found out the book existed lol.
My wife read it. Enjoyed it, even. It wasn't a big deal, you'll be fine. :)
 

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Flaery said:
Yes, Cory and Grey, you are the straightest shotas.

This is the first comic in quite a bit that I can really relate to.
Excuse doesn't Shota refer to prepubescent boys presented in a sexual situations?-
Both Cory and Grey are adults so why are you calling them that?

OP:Yay I love me My Anime/Manga references-Thanks for the laugh :D
 

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Belated said:
Well, what seems to me is the, supposed danger, involved in being exposed to BDSM at first seem to rile some people, while others scoff at the idea of this being a romance. The latter one making the advertising for the book out to be misleading. I think we are allowed to judge on that merit.

Mind you, I'm parroting what someone else has said here. At the time, I'm not interested in that book. Maybe I am more interested in what I like: just straight up fantasy and maybe sci-fi. I feel like I'm dabbling here and there. So, the shadow trilogy of alexey Pehov and Mortal Engines from Philip reeves are what I have liked thus far. I'd have to take more 'risks' and see which books I like for myself.

But at the same time, how am I going to game?

I apologize for going off a tangent though.
 

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knight steel said:
Flaery said:
Yes, Cory and Grey, you are the straightest shotas.

This is the first comic in quite a bit that I can really relate to.
Excuse doesn't Shota refer to prepubescent boys presented in a sexual situations?-
Both Cory and Grey are adults so why are you calling them that?

OP:Yay I love me My Anime/Manga references-Thanks for the laugh :D
Read the small black text just below the first panel.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Piorn said:
At least I don't read my porn/VN/Doujin in public/living room or tell everybody about it.
Would you be horrified if I told you I saw a dude hiding his face in a bus, reading 50 Shades of Grey?

OT: Heh. Heh heh. Erin's expression is priceless.
I've seen it on an airplane while casually glancing over at the woman's kindle next to me

I mean, yes, we're on an airplane, but COME ON
 

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A Weakgeek said:
I was quite specifically talking about the ones with porn in them. I wasnt equating anything with anything else.

If one enjoys watching a bunch of still images of anime characters with text scroll under is all fine and dandy. I'll stick to actual porn for getting off and actual novels/comics for stories myself though.
You were equalating all the VNs with porn in them, with the porn-centric VNs that have "laughingly terrible plot".

Like GabeZhul said, you generally read romantic visual novels with "porn" not because of the "porn" but because of the story itself is good.

The medium in general has this quirky tradition of sprinkling every single story with a few scenes of hardcore fucking, but there is still a large percentage of it that is in it's execution otherwise comparable to great "actual novels".

If you are reading G-senjou no Maou, or Cross Channel, or Saya no Uta, for getting off, then you are doing it wrong.
 

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Flaery said:
knight steel said:
Flaery said:
Yes, Cory and Grey, you are the straightest shotas.

This is the first comic in quite a bit that I can really relate to.
Excuse doesn't Shota refer to prepubescent boys presented in a sexual situations?-
Both Cory and Grey are adults so why are you calling them that?

OP:Yay I love me My Anime/Manga references-Thanks for the laugh :D
Read the small black text just below the first panel.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I see.............................so....................Grey and Cory view themselves as sexy children X_X
 

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Entitled said:
A Weakgeek said:
I was quite specifically talking about the ones with porn in them. I wasnt equating anything with anything else.

If one enjoys watching a bunch of still images of anime characters with text scroll under is all fine and dandy. I'll stick to actual porn for getting off and actual novels/comics for stories myself though.
You were equalating all the VNs with porn in them, with the porn-centric VNs that have "laughingly terrible plot".

Like GabeZhul said, you generally read romantic visual novels with "porn" not because of the "porn" but because of the story itself is good.

The medium in general has this quirky tradition of sprinkling every single story with a few scenes of hardcore fucking, but there is still a large percentage of it that is in it's execution otherwise comparable to great "actual novels".

If you are reading G-senjou no Maou, or Cross Channel, or Saya no Uta, for getting off, then you are doing it wrong.
In that case, how about you suggest me the most accessible "VN with porn in it" to a guy whos not especially fond of anime storytelling and tropes. Preferably not a terribly long one, or atleast one that starts out strong. I promise I'll give it a fair chance.
 

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A Weakgeek said:
Entitled said:
A Weakgeek said:
I was quite specifically talking about the ones with porn in them. I wasnt equating anything with anything else.

If one enjoys watching a bunch of still images of anime characters with text scroll under is all fine and dandy. I'll stick to actual porn for getting off and actual novels/comics for stories myself though.
You were equalating all the VNs with porn in them, with the porn-centric VNs that have "laughingly terrible plot".

Like GabeZhul said, you generally read romantic visual novels with "porn" not because of the "porn" but because of the story itself is good.

The medium in general has this quirky tradition of sprinkling every single story with a few scenes of hardcore fucking, but there is still a large percentage of it that is in it's execution otherwise comparable to great "actual novels".

If you are reading G-senjou no Maou, or Cross Channel, or Saya no Uta, for getting off, then you are doing it wrong.
In that case, how about you suggest me the most accessible "VN with porn in it" to a guy whos not especially fond of anime storytelling and tropes. Preferably not a terribly long one, or atleast one that starts out strong. I promise I'll give it a fair chance.
Katawa Shoujo would be one of the better and more easily-obtained examples.
 

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Grey Carter said:
A Weakgeek said:
Entitled said:
A Weakgeek said:
I was quite specifically talking about the ones with porn in them. I wasnt equating anything with anything else.

If one enjoys watching a bunch of still images of anime characters with text scroll under is all fine and dandy. I'll stick to actual porn for getting off and actual novels/comics for stories myself though.
You were equalating all the VNs with porn in them, with the porn-centric VNs that have "laughingly terrible plot".

Like GabeZhul said, you generally read romantic visual novels with "porn" not because of the "porn" but because of the story itself is good.

The medium in general has this quirky tradition of sprinkling every single story with a few scenes of hardcore fucking, but there is still a large percentage of it that is in it's execution otherwise comparable to great "actual novels".

If you are reading G-senjou no Maou, or Cross Channel, or Saya no Uta, for getting off, then you are doing it wrong.
In that case, how about you suggest me the most accessible "VN with porn in it" to a guy whos not especially fond of anime storytelling and tropes. Preferably not a terribly long one, or atleast one that starts out strong. I promise I'll give it a fair chance.
Katawa Shoujo would be one of the better and more easily-obtained examples.
Fair enough, Ive actually heard of that one.

Willing to take suggestions for a less known ones aswell, obtainability is not a problem.
 

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vun said:
The Gentleman said:
For the record, that book (50 Shades of Gray, and yes, I know that the title is something else, but let's be honest as to what it's referring to) is terrible. Like the original work the fanfic was based on (Twilight), it teaches extremely dangerous practices in a D/s relationship to the point that a sizable part of the BDSM community has read it to teach newcomers what not to do that they may have in mind.

And, uhh, obligatory, I don't eat ice cream when I watch porn or a porn derivative (such as a proper visual novel). You need both hands free... to work the keyboard and mouse.

Classy...
Well now you've made me want to read the book just as a "what-not-to-do" manual. Still not going to read it, but now I want to.
I'd recommend finding one of TeamFourStar's readings of the book. They are hilarious.
SonicWaffle said:
I thought 50 Shades had it's primary market with older women, hence the term "mummy porn", which was quite upsetting when I discovered it didn't involve a man covered in bandages punishing the naughty ladies who broke into his tomb.

Are middle-aged mothers incapable of sustaining normal human relationships, according to this comic?
My mom tried to read it and hated the damn thing so much. I don't even think she took it back. I think she just threw it out. And the only people I have ever heard of reading it were younger women...
 

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Nice of you to try to be charitable by putting 50 Shades Of Grey on the same level as a trite eroge, but come on, it's 50 Shades Of Grey we're talking about here. I'm not sure I could find words to describe the massive karmic bomb willfully seeking out and reading that book is. It's like, if you read it just to mock it for how terrible it is, you're still committing an act roughly equivalent to taking a photograph of a drowning kitten.
 

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A Weakgeek said:
In that case, how about you suggest me the most accessible "VN with porn in it" to a guy whos not especially fond of anime storytelling and tropes. Preferably not a terribly long one, or atleast one that starts out strong. I promise I'll give it a fair chance.
Quite a few unfortunate criteria, given that VNs *ARE* Japanese-written and one of the default source materials for anime adaptations, and they are usually longer than ordinary novels.

Katawa Shoujo itself is western-written, but it intentionally follows the medium's Japanese tropes (takes place in Japan, is about romance and high school life), though the details of it's writing style still has some sublter westernisms.

Saya no Uta is relatively short. It's a Lovecraftian horror story. Warning, the few sex scenes that it does have are... disturbing (intentionally so).

Fate/Stay Night is long, and has a very slow start, but overall one of the greater stories. It's about a Battle Royale of seven mages summoning the spirits of seven historical and mythological heroes to fight for gaining the Holy Grail.

ef - a fairy tale of the two: This one is another high school romance, but I'm particularly fond of it because of it's production vaues, music, and grand melodrama.

And anyways, my overall point is not really that I'm vouching for either of these, all of them have very good reasons not to be liked by everyone, especially if you don't like japanese storytelling, but at the very least I can be vouching that they are as good as some of the best porn-free VNs, such as Ever17, Clannad, Higurashi, or Steins;Gate, and which ones of them have porn scenes is a very faulty rule of thumb of whether their story can be good, with that you will end up getting a pretty much randomized result.
 

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knight steel said:
Flaery said:
knight steel said:
Flaery said:
Yes, Cory and Grey, you are the straightest shotas.

This is the first comic in quite a bit that I can really relate to.
Excuse doesn't Shota refer to prepubescent boys presented in a sexual situations?-
Both Cory and Grey are adults so why are you calling them that?

OP:Yay I love me My Anime/Manga references-Thanks for the laugh :D
Read the small black text just below the first panel.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I see.............................so....................Grey and Cory view themselves as sexy children X_X
C'mon guys, no Ashcorp fans? >_< The bottom text refers to this song. http://youtu.be/4nyHPIcbn88?t=1m26s
 

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fugbar said:
knight steel said:
Flaery said:
knight steel said:
Flaery said:
Yes, Cory and Grey, you are the straightest shotas.

This is the first comic in quite a bit that I can really relate to.
Excuse doesn't Shota refer to prepubescent boys presented in a sexual situations?-
Both Cory and Grey are adults so why are you calling them that?

OP:Yay I love me My Anime/Manga references-Thanks for the laugh :D
Read the small black text just below the first panel.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I see.............................so....................Grey and Cory view themselves as sexy children X_X
C'mon guys, no Ashcorp fans? >_< The bottom text refers to this song. http://youtu.be/4nyHPIcbn88?t=1m26s
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh I see.....................Thats a weird song o_O