Report: Nintendo Switch Isn't as Powerful as a PS4

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

It's just overly evident that graphics aren't the most important thing to gamers.

On Steam, Witcher 3 has almost 80,00 OP reviews. A cursory examination of the reviews all praise the games graphics. 7 Days has less than half that, and they are only VP. From the reviews of 7 I did read, almost none praise it's graphics. Bethesda's Doom, 20,000 VP, the reviews I read all mention how good the game looks. So it would seem that graphics are far more important to gamers than you may realize or be willing to admit.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

Jesus christ, how many times do we need to do the speculation with this thing? Let January happen first, THEN we can yell at Nintendo.

I don?t see Nintendo?s strategy as a risk,? said Peddie. ?Too many pundits and fan boys and investors make a serious mistake when they try to compare and contrast Nintendo with Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo has a niche in the affordable, accessible product, and performance is never a leading criteria for them. It is gameplay and immersion. They are never a technology pioneer. Trying to compare Nintendo to Sony is like comparing a Volkswagen to a Corvette. It?s a facetious and fallacious analogy and a discredit to fans who love Nintendo.?
- Taken from the linked article

I feel like everyone forgets this. I always have to ask the same question of "What on Earth did you guys expect?"

 

[deadish]

the publisher wants to replace the failing Wii U and because it wants to strike quickly with its hybrid concept before a competitor can introduce a better product.

Wow. Just wow.

That'd be a new low for Nintendo. Maybe if Nintendo didn't insist on "leaking" all the information about the system so early on, they wouldn't have to bring some half-assed product to market.

They never learn. How has the early launch of the Wii U served them? Everyone ignored it and waited for the PS4/Xbone. They Dreamcast-ed themselves.

Instead of competing on merit, they try desperately to "cheat" their way to victory. /smh

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

They never learn.

That actually made me laugh, because they said they weren't going to make the same mistakes they did with the Wii U.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

Also, what is "80,00"?

That was meant to be 80,000.

The point I was making that you seem to have missed, was that there are a lot of people who think graphics are important.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Because people like good graphics AND good gameplay.

If the console can't do modern games at a playable rate, where's the incentive to buy?

Plenty of games on consoles are, but I'm a PC gamer mainly so what's your argument there?

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

snip- their target demographic is largely made up of kids too young to know what a good game and a bad game is and are replaced constantly with new kids.

I'd have thought their demographic was filled with the nostalgia eyed middleaged

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

Plenty of games on consoles are, but I'm a PC gamer mainly so what's your argument there?

That the Switch won't find mainstream acceptance if it can't do what other platforms can.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

Plus, your argument falls apart when less graphically crisp, yet aesthetically stylized games like Okami, Zelda, Journey and Overwatch are all capable of running on the Switch.

I would very much like to know your sources for all these games (Zelda has already been shown), that they are on or can be run on Switch.

And people praising a games graphics is flawed evidence of graphics not being important? You will also need to explain the logic behind your argument.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Plenty of games on consoles are, but I'm a PC gamer mainly so what's your argument there?

That the Switch won't find mainstream acceptance if it can't do what other platforms can.

It won't because of its gimmick and Nintendo's severely damaged 3rd party relationships. Just like the Wii U.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Jesus christ, how many times do we need to do the speculation with this thing? Let January happen first, THEN we can yell at Nintendo.

I don't see Nintendo?s strategy as a risk," said Peddie. "Too many pundits and fan boys and investors make a serious mistake when they try to compare and contrast Nintendo with Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo has a niche in the affordable, accessible product, and performance is never a leading criteria for them. It is gameplay and immersion. They are never a technology pioneer. Trying to compare Nintendo to Sony is like comparing a Volkswagen to a Corvette. It?s a facetious and fallacious analogy and a discredit to fans who love Nintendo."
- Taken from the linked article

I feel like everyone forgets this. I always have to ask the same question of "What on Earth did you guys expect?"

But then people wouldn't get to turn it into a narrative and keep doing this bullshit melodrama because there always needs to be some dramatic because everything being fine is BORING.

 

[ExileNZ]

This just in, Nintendo's latest mobile outing is less powerful than Sony's VR-capable mainstay.

"I am simply shocked", said No One Ever.

News at 11.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

-snip-

If the Switch is a handheld, then Nintendo needs to stop marketing it as a home console. And I'm not spinning my argument. As graphical performance has increased, so have game sales.

You have experience with developers? That's nice. Name names so that I may verify your claims of these games being released on the Switch.

Hardware is not comparable. The console don't use off the shelf components like PCs, therefore compatibility is an issue. Sony has dumped no small amount of money in to their processor designs. Just because the PS4 has a faster processor than a PS3, doesn't automatically mean it can run all PS3 games natively.

People love low res games, because they are the kinds they grew up with; Nostalgia.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

It won't because of its gimmick and Nintendo's severely damaged 3rd party relationships. Just like the Wii U.

Yeah, I think Nintendo are done as a home console maker, all they are doing now is competing with themselves in the handhelds.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

In actuality, on same FLOPs, Maxwell and Pascal are the same.

Seems like a waste of money to me, to design a new chip that doesn't offer any improvements over it's predecessor.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

The switch clearly is a handheld.

It also clearly is a home console device.


You can't just judge it as a home console device entirely for the same reason judging it as a portable entirely is wrong. To be fair you have to kinda create a new category which presently only it occupies. In this way it can with some credibility fend off such criticism, at least for a time.



Also I still don't know if the damn thing is gonna be region locked or not, which is the only relevant thing here. All this talk about AAA publishers is nonsense. All the switch has to do is inherit the 3DS libary creators and devs and it'll be fine, the AAA bs is gonna be like a cherry on top of the alreay delicious cake of 3DS games that made the console amazingly successful despite its dumb 3D gimmick which saw no smart use beyond Sengran Kagura projecting 3D boobs at you.

 

[Las7]

It's a handheld. Why do people expect this device to cure cancer?

We are at the point where graphics seem to be the most important factor in games. If the Switch can't deliver, then it won't find mainstream acceptance.

Yep... not even remotely true all you need to look at the PC market. Graphics "sale" consoles because Sony and Microsoft have 10 exclusive games worth buying combined.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

All this talk about AAA publishers is nonsense. All the switch has to do is inherit the 3DS libary creators and devs and it'll be fine, the AAA bs is gonna be like a cherry on top of the alreay delicious cake of 3DS games that made the console amazingly successful despite its dumb 3D gimmick which saw no smart use beyond Sengran Kagura projecting 3D boobs at you.

What?

I don't think any 3DS Developer is going to be hopping into making a mass amount of games for this console. Lets not act like the 3rd Party problem Nintendo has isn't on handhelds here. Rune Factory 4 outdid it's creator's expectations and they still went bankrupt.
3rd party titles do have trouble selling on handheld with Nintendo. Its not as bad as it is on console, but its not great either.
The 3DS didn't sell based on Senran Kagura (which has left the 3DS and gone Sony/PC due to increases sales there). It sold based on the standard Nintendo IPs like always. Smash Bros, Top Down Legend of Zelda, Mario, Yoshi, Kirby, Fire Emblem, etc. The 3DS has a lot of units sold, but like most Nintendo console, its 3rd party support needs help.

I don't think its a smart move for 3rd party devs to be making games in a handheld market that's eating itself through one company. I also don't think people are going to be cool with the majority of the Switch being upgraded 3DS games.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

They're gonna be next gen 3ds games, not just upgraded ones, and next gen in the old sense where you DO notice the visual difference and don't just assume that it is there because the box has a 4 in the end.


3DS did great and the switch is gonna be the way for handheld nintendo stuff to be played. Full stop. The home console stuff is negligible. A cherry on top. Even if it had no AAA games it'd do at least as well as a 3DS sequel would which is good enough. Most people already have a ps4 anyways so the switch will fill in its own niche as opposd to simply replacing a potential ps4 or pc purchase or whatever deluded nintendo fans may imagine.


It sucks Natsume closed but they are just one studio. Despite them, the 3DS literally prited money for Nintendo. There's no two ways about that. For every series jumping ship to ps4 two more worth playing ones get made.

 

[darkrage6]

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Then again, I really wonder who actually thought Nintendo would come out with a some sort of superpowerful machine. Hasn't really been part of their MO, so to say.

Not recently anyway. The 8 bit NES was supposedly better than the 8 big sega machine, 16 SNES more powerful than the Sega offering, but developers figured out how to use a chip meant for timing to add even more processing power (For Starfox). The N64 was much more powerful than the PS1 (but its continued dependence upon cartridges killed them that round). Gamecube much faster, sturdier and more powerful than the PS2. But they lost. I think that's when they decided power wasn't everything.

I'm not surprised about the Switch's power. It's a tablet and a small one at that. And it is supposed to compete with a device the size of a briefcase?

I hope it does well.

Those consoles failed for other reasons, N64 would've done better if it had used CDs instead of cartridges(which cost 70-80 dollars compared to the 50-60 dollars PS1 and Saturn games cost), the latter format made N64 versions of games inferior to PS1 verisons, as the latter did not have to have it's games severely compressed and could feature voice-acting(which took Nintendo ages to learn how to do on the N64), the Gamecube's bizarre mini-disc format(which like the N64 catridges had it's limitations in regards to voice-acting, which was noticeable on the GC version of Def Jam Fight for New York) and lack of ability to play DVDs unlike the Xbox and PS2 is what set it back(you'd think Nintendo would've learned from Sega's failed GD-ROM format).