Wow what an amazingly well-conducted study, how will we ever be able to...
http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/04/study_kids_unaf.html
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http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/04/study_kids_unaf.html
oh wait.
Report: Violent Games Make Kids More Violent
- Thread starter Nathan Meunier
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I find it odd this was done to us by Japan, the Motherland.
Watch what your damn kids do. My parents watched what I did. I didn't go out without them knowing, I didn't play games they didn't know, I didn't have freinds they didn't know. I've played videogames (many of them violent) for most of my life and now i'm a freindly grocery bagger. If anything i'm not aggressive ENOUGH and I have problems with subliminating my anger until I blow up.
People just take these things out of proportion. Let me share some things. When I was a freshman in highschool we had to give a little intro for ourselves in health class. I gave the usual stuff- I like videogames blahblah blah, and as a joke (I read it somewhere or saw it on TV) I added "oh and i'm building an A-Bomb in my garage". 20 mins later I am in the Principles office. They're searching my things, my parents are called and they're leaning on me, and i'm on the verge of tears. Fortunatly my parents showed up and because they KNOW me and are good parents (and because we don't HAVE a garage) it blew over and I didn't get suspended.
Go ahead a year two, I pull off one of the most awesome trades ever-a budy gives me Halflife: Opposing Force for NOTHING because he's bored with it. Woot. So I bring in the instruction to read it for amusement. It gets confiscated and i'm bumbed, I ask the principle if I can have it back. First he says wait, then he says I need a parents permission. I tell him 'nevermind' because my parents didn't know I traded for a game and I was afraid they'de be upset. Apparently this played right into his pyschotic little head games though because he had found a 'picture of a gun' in the book, which apparently raised red flags. Yes, my parents once again were called and had to defend me to get them off my case, again successfully because they know what I do and what I play and were able to explain it was just a computer game that played like Paintball/Capture the flag (at least insofar as they understood First Person Shooters, not that erroneous really).
All people respond to is the fear, and that makes the rest of us suffer... So, yeah, this "violent videogames = violent kids!" bullshit is just that, BULLSHIT, and is a slander to me and everyone who is a productive member of society and plays videogames.
Watch what your damn kids do. My parents watched what I did. I didn't go out without them knowing, I didn't play games they didn't know, I didn't have freinds they didn't know. I've played videogames (many of them violent) for most of my life and now i'm a freindly grocery bagger. If anything i'm not aggressive ENOUGH and I have problems with subliminating my anger until I blow up.
People just take these things out of proportion. Let me share some things. When I was a freshman in highschool we had to give a little intro for ourselves in health class. I gave the usual stuff- I like videogames blahblah blah, and as a joke (I read it somewhere or saw it on TV) I added "oh and i'm building an A-Bomb in my garage". 20 mins later I am in the Principles office. They're searching my things, my parents are called and they're leaning on me, and i'm on the verge of tears. Fortunatly my parents showed up and because they KNOW me and are good parents (and because we don't HAVE a garage) it blew over and I didn't get suspended.
Go ahead a year two, I pull off one of the most awesome trades ever-a budy gives me Halflife: Opposing Force for NOTHING because he's bored with it. Woot. So I bring in the instruction to read it for amusement. It gets confiscated and i'm bumbed, I ask the principle if I can have it back. First he says wait, then he says I need a parents permission. I tell him 'nevermind' because my parents didn't know I traded for a game and I was afraid they'de be upset. Apparently this played right into his pyschotic little head games though because he had found a 'picture of a gun' in the book, which apparently raised red flags. Yes, my parents once again were called and had to defend me to get them off my case, again successfully because they know what I do and what I play and were able to explain it was just a computer game that played like Paintball/Capture the flag (at least insofar as they understood First Person Shooters, not that erroneous really).
All people respond to is the fear, and that makes the rest of us suffer... So, yeah, this "violent videogames = violent kids!" bullshit is just that, BULLSHIT, and is a slander to me and everyone who is a productive member of society and plays videogames.
I am doing research on this subject for a term paper. So far, I have read 6 papers that support the theory that violent video games makes adolescents more aggressive not violent like some people who misinterpret to becoming more violent. Aggressive behavior as defined as being a physical action done onto another person with intent. This includes pushing.
All of these claims were done with a control group and was a randomly assigned blind study. Their levels of aggression were tested by GAM, an aggresity factors questionnaire and white blast.
Edit: typo
Also, if anybody wants to see my sources I have all the authors, Journal of publication, and issue the article was contained in.
All of these claims were done with a control group and was a randomly assigned blind study. Their levels of aggression were tested by GAM, an aggresity factors questionnaire and white blast.
Edit: typo
Also, if anybody wants to see my sources I have all the authors, Journal of publication, and issue the article was contained in.
Mommy and Daddy just bought little Billy his first game for his 10th birthday GRAND THEFT AUTO 4, but wait Mom and Dad GTA 4 is rated MA15+ but that?s ok your both responsible parents. One week later problems start to occur little Billy is swearing and cursing at the game, his attitude is getting out of control, well we all know who?s fault this is don?t we.. that?s right GRAND THEFT AUTO 4. Lets blame Rockstar for this indecent game which is harmful to kids. One court visit later Rockstar gets sued for millions from Mommy and Daddy and GTA 4 is banned. Once again Little Billy is safe from violent games and Mommy and Daddy are all the wiser...
One week later Mommy and Daddy buy Little Billy Saints Row 2....
...The system works...
One week later Mommy and Daddy buy Little Billy Saints Row 2....
...The system works...
Kids are just getting ideas from Video Games.
Considering once movies were the prime source of blame before video games. Before movies, books, threatre... Folklore and music. Kids are growing up, they are gullible. Tell a kid that fairies exist, they'll go looking for them. Tell a kid they'll live through a 60 foot drop, they'll test that theory. I'm not saying they are stupid, but they are still learning and don't know any better. Though at teenage stage they know a lot more and unless their crazy would never do those things, other things like blowing up cars to see what happens is still signs of that curiousity and learning.
If I compare this to my brother, he only gets agressive when he is asked to drop the game for something else. Its not that the game is making him agressive, the game relaxes him and pulling away breaks his concentration and relaxation. Adults are guilty of this; how many parents have told their child to go away because their concentrating on something by shouting at the child? When it comes to that, work can cause agression because its stressful. Alchol and drugs cause more agression then video games because people loose control of themselves and may I note that teenagers are the biggest users of drugs and alchol. Even adults fall pray to Drugs and other influences and these substances ruin far more lives a year.
I could go on... But point is, video games are just one piece of the study, and if you study 100 teenagers and then study another 100 teenagers; you won't get the same results.
Considering once movies were the prime source of blame before video games. Before movies, books, threatre... Folklore and music. Kids are growing up, they are gullible. Tell a kid that fairies exist, they'll go looking for them. Tell a kid they'll live through a 60 foot drop, they'll test that theory. I'm not saying they are stupid, but they are still learning and don't know any better. Though at teenage stage they know a lot more and unless their crazy would never do those things, other things like blowing up cars to see what happens is still signs of that curiousity and learning.
If I compare this to my brother, he only gets agressive when he is asked to drop the game for something else. Its not that the game is making him agressive, the game relaxes him and pulling away breaks his concentration and relaxation. Adults are guilty of this; how many parents have told their child to go away because their concentrating on something by shouting at the child? When it comes to that, work can cause agression because its stressful. Alchol and drugs cause more agression then video games because people loose control of themselves and may I note that teenagers are the biggest users of drugs and alchol. Even adults fall pray to Drugs and other influences and these substances ruin far more lives a year.
I could go on... But point is, video games are just one piece of the study, and if you study 100 teenagers and then study another 100 teenagers; you won't get the same results.
Violence comes from the inside people not video games. Period.
What study is going to come out next :
"A group of American researchers reached the conclusion that Genghis Khan actions were derived from him getting GTA 4 for his 14th birthday ?"
What study is going to come out next :
"A group of American researchers reached the conclusion that Genghis Khan actions were derived from him getting GTA 4 for his 14th birthday ?"
Has anyone heard this quote from Marcus Brigstock? Seems quite relevant to the topic.
If Pac-Man had affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music.
Even though I play loadsa violent games, I don't feel it has affected me. However I do see the potential for some new games to affect kids. When I grew up, the most violent thing one could do in a game was rip someones head off with Sub Zero in MK1, though it was so pixellated and cheap that it couldn't really do much. Playing some of these new games as a rational semi-adult I can actually see the potential to do damage. Don't get me wrong, I'd never want to ban them in any way.
If Pac-Man had affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music.
Even though I play loadsa violent games, I don't feel it has affected me. However I do see the potential for some new games to affect kids. When I grew up, the most violent thing one could do in a game was rip someones head off with Sub Zero in MK1, though it was so pixellated and cheap that it couldn't really do much. Playing some of these new games as a rational semi-adult I can actually see the potential to do damage. Don't get me wrong, I'd never want to ban them in any way.
I totally agree! Rather than this nonsense we could have had a rant about parking spaces at Ikea or something like that!Khell_Sennet said:
Seriously though, are you people ever happy?
The one fact that all of these "studies" gloss over:
Are these violent kids who happen to be playing violent games, or violent games making kids violent?
Is it so impossible to think that maybe, more aggressive kids (personality wise) could be more likely to play aggressive games? The games have nothing to do with them being aggressive, it's just a coincidence. Also, ever hear of a control group?
And what isn't bad for kids yet? TV is bad, rap music is bad, metal music is bad, Books are bad, comics are bad, video games are bad, movies are bad, the news is bad, dodge ball is bad... pretty much everything, amazingly effects you.
Also, what about parents? Couldn't parents and friends effect a child alot more than GTA can? And if a parent is allowing their kid to play these games, isn't it more likely that kind of "hands-free" parenting is causing these kids to be aggressive?
My point is, are violent videogames a cause, or merely a symptom.
This is an example of the american idea ( I know it's a Japanese study) that their is an easy solution to everything. Fat? Magical Ab belt. Sick? Put Kinoki foot pads on to suck out the toxins. Illegal immigration? Build a wall, never mind the complex socio-economic situation that causes it. So it makes sense that violence is just "oh, well WE couldn't be doing anything wrong, it must be those video games"
Last point i want to make, is that cool things are cool because they are against the rules. You aren't supposed to do it. Your supposed to wear a seat belt. Your not supposed to smoke. Your supposed to talk about your problems. Your supposed to like parents, Your not supposed to fight, your supposed to stay in school, your supposed to listen to authority. It's cool to smoke, drink, punch people, and hate your parents.
Are these violent kids who happen to be playing violent games, or violent games making kids violent?
Is it so impossible to think that maybe, more aggressive kids (personality wise) could be more likely to play aggressive games? The games have nothing to do with them being aggressive, it's just a coincidence. Also, ever hear of a control group?
And what isn't bad for kids yet? TV is bad, rap music is bad, metal music is bad, Books are bad, comics are bad, video games are bad, movies are bad, the news is bad, dodge ball is bad... pretty much everything, amazingly effects you.
Also, what about parents? Couldn't parents and friends effect a child alot more than GTA can? And if a parent is allowing their kid to play these games, isn't it more likely that kind of "hands-free" parenting is causing these kids to be aggressive?
My point is, are violent videogames a cause, or merely a symptom.
This is an example of the american idea ( I know it's a Japanese study) that their is an easy solution to everything. Fat? Magical Ab belt. Sick? Put Kinoki foot pads on to suck out the toxins. Illegal immigration? Build a wall, never mind the complex socio-economic situation that causes it. So it makes sense that violence is just "oh, well WE couldn't be doing anything wrong, it must be those video games"
Last point i want to make, is that cool things are cool because they are against the rules. You aren't supposed to do it. Your supposed to wear a seat belt. Your not supposed to smoke. Your supposed to talk about your problems. Your supposed to like parents, Your not supposed to fight, your supposed to stay in school, your supposed to listen to authority. It's cool to smoke, drink, punch people, and hate your parents.
Which is the cause, and which is the effect? I find that I'm a fairly aggressive person, and prone to solving things violently... which is why I select a puzzle game where the only solution to the puzzles is "shoot the problem". We call these first person shooters.
I think that more violent people pick more violent games, not that players of violent games become more violent.
I think that more violent people pick more violent games, not that players of violent games become more violent.
