Report: Windows 9 Being Prepped For April 2015 Launch
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It also pegs 3.1 as good and 95 as bad. As someone who still periodically loads those two up in virtual machines (mainly for old Windows games that need 16 bit support), 95 was not bad at all. Yes, it was completely full of security holes, but it also came out at a time before the internet became ubiquitous, a time when files were more likely to be shared via floppy disk than modem. And from a user's perspective, 95 was a huge improvement over 3.1, which was really little more than a GUI that sat on top of DOS. 95 did a number of things that DOS couldn't, most notably from the perspective of a gamer, it introduced Direct X, which was a huge, huge thing. 3.1 mostly just made using a computer a bit more intuitive[footnote]It also wasn't the first version of Windows. As the number implies, there was a commercially released Windows 1, 2, and also something called Windows 386, which from what I understand was basically Windows 2 tweaked to better support the features of the then new and powerful Intel 386 processor. There's probably a few other variations I'm forgetting, not even counting stuff like 3.0 and 3.11.[/footnote].A-D. said:That picture is wrong, its missing Win98 Second Edition, Win NT 4.0 and Windows 2000, though the curve would still be correct for the most part.sb666 said:It will be interesting to see if it will follow this cycle.
That being said, it smells like another case of Vista to 7. So maybe Win9 will be the good Win8 essentially, like how 7 is essentially the good Vista version ;P
Basically, the "pattern" has only really existed since Vista turned out to suck, or since ME if you want to ignore that 2000 was a thing.
Let's hope this new project of theirs is a continuation of the Metro thing and that they keep future versions of Windows as just windows, you know, with actual windows instead of apps. The two interfaces just didn't work together; Metro wasn't all that bad but it really didn't suit the PC environment. Best to keep it and 'desktop' (I think they call it now) separate from now on. As for me I'll likely be using Windows 7 for many a year to come, heck I was using XP until 2 years ago, and in many ways I preferred it to 7.
Windows 8 is an abomination. It's a foul, degenerate, putrid, cretinous operating system, created by people who had been so carried away with a concept that they never actually stopped to question whether it was actually usable. I get the feeling that Windows 8 was designed purely as an art project and not as an OS for people to actually use.
Every process now requires 1-3 extra clicks to enact. Even after 8 months of use, I still spend ages trying to work out where half of the applications are.
I remember when I first turned on my new laptop. I had been using Windows 7 on my desktop and was really happy with it. Windows 7 had streamlined so much and had created a beautiful, concise and fluid operating system.
My first day with Windows 8 was one of horror, confusion and disbelief. I just couldn't understand how we could go from Windows 7 to THIS. Microsoft said that people just needed to get used to the new system and new way of doing things and that they'd then appreciate it.
8 months later and I am used to the system, but I certainly do not appreciate it's backward, counter intuative system. Whoever headed the project should be severely reprimanded.
Microsoft fell into the trap of arrogance. They were too arrogant to care what the users wanted.
Every process now requires 1-3 extra clicks to enact. Even after 8 months of use, I still spend ages trying to work out where half of the applications are.
I remember when I first turned on my new laptop. I had been using Windows 7 on my desktop and was really happy with it. Windows 7 had streamlined so much and had created a beautiful, concise and fluid operating system.
My first day with Windows 8 was one of horror, confusion and disbelief. I just couldn't understand how we could go from Windows 7 to THIS. Microsoft said that people just needed to get used to the new system and new way of doing things and that they'd then appreciate it.
8 months later and I am used to the system, but I certainly do not appreciate it's backward, counter intuative system. Whoever headed the project should be severely reprimanded.
Microsoft fell into the trap of arrogance. They were too arrogant to care what the users wanted.
But why
I would still be using XP if i did not had to get a new computer to run new/weird games
The transparent windows are pretty funny, but there are several major problems with 7 i noticed alost instantly; GIFs do not work in the picture viewer, i can not center large pictures on my desktop and folders do not sort by date modified by default, also it seems like the new search does not search in words for letter sequences, only for separate words
The alt tab function having the desktop as a program does not seem like a very good idea, since, you know, that is what the windows button is for
I would still be using XP if i did not had to get a new computer to run new/weird games
The transparent windows are pretty funny, but there are several major problems with 7 i noticed alost instantly; GIFs do not work in the picture viewer, i can not center large pictures on my desktop and folders do not sort by date modified by default, also it seems like the new search does not search in words for letter sequences, only for separate words
The alt tab function having the desktop as a program does not seem like a very good idea, since, you know, that is what the windows button is for
Oh look, another "Windows Cycle" circlejerk started by the very first reply. A.k.a. the new circlejerk people had to come up with only after their "XP will forever be the pinnacle of Windows" circlejerk was utterly shattered when even they had to grudgingly admit that Win7 was massively better.
Typical sweeping quantifications from the likes of folk who frequent internet forums and think they have the world all figured out and categorized through a pile of tabloid-worthy platitudes and supposed "patterns." It'd be adorable... if it weren't so infuriating!
*storms off*
Typical sweeping quantifications from the likes of folk who frequent internet forums and think they have the world all figured out and categorized through a pile of tabloid-worthy platitudes and supposed "patterns." It'd be adorable... if it weren't so infuriating!
*storms off*
I use a windows 7 partition with the basic GUI, it'll remain that way unless PC gaming goes windows 9.
GIFs do work in the picture viewer, unless you mean animated GIFs specifically which do not and it is a bit annoying, but you can always open them in your browser of choice. You can even set the browser as the default viewer for GIFs very easily, something that was much harder in XP.Vicarious Reality said:
I can't comment on the centering of pictures as desktop backgrounds, as I've never wanted to do that.
I wouldn't find a default sort of Date Modified useful, and I can't really see why it would be useful as a default. Alphabetic is much more useful for actually finding things. In any case, I don't actually remember XP defaulting to modified date anyway...
I have just checked, and search definitely does return partial matches, even when you don't specifically ask for it with ? or * wildcards. e.g. searching for "Hel" got me "Hello World 1.bbp", "Hello World 2.bbp", "help.txt" and four other help files.
Personally I find using Alt-Tab to switch around between programs, including to the desktop, extremely useful. Conversely I hardly ever use the windows button, either to launch the start menu or to get me to the desktop (and depending on the program, the latter sometimes doesn't work anyway whereas it does with alt-tab).
So, really, the only problem you've described that I agree with is the GIFs, and even then it is easily worked-around, and frankly I would consider all of your gripes pretty minor. For my own part, I would never go back to XP. It's not awful, to be sure, but compared to Win7 there are a lot of common tasks that require more clicks, and not being able to pin to taskbar / search in the start menu is a definite pain.
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OT: Unless Win9 is the second coming of jesus (read: removes all that metro junk or at least integrates it properly) I'm not budging from Win7.
i wish i had a choice in using windows 8, i had to upgrade my computer and due to some hardware drivers not being compatible with anything but windows 8 (well played microsoft), ive been forced to use it. if windows 9 is at least more like 7 than it is 8, i might upgrade. although that wouldnt be hard to do, id even consider using vista if my drivers were compatible, i hate this metro ui to the point ive modded my laptop to the point i dont have to ever use it and it does nothing but use up resources in the background. isnt the resource issue something vista was hated for? you would think they wouldve learned that lesson but nope.
tl; dr windows 8 is so shit i consider vista an upgrade.
tl; dr windows 8 is so shit i consider vista an upgrade.
Criticizing them for trying one OS for desktop, tablet and phone - come on you'd have to be a fool not to try surely? I can't believe Apple or Google aren't trying... not forgetting the Ubuntu phone. This is blatantly the smart direction for any OS manufacturer - like it or loath it, computing for the majority is moving away from a fixed workstation or desktop.
Anyway, the major changes (to a layman) are principally in design/interface issues - sure, these take some adjusting to, and personally it only really made sense once I had a touchscreen device, but it's alright without. Sure the app marketplace isn't as good yet, but you get windows for 'proper' desktop apps anyway, I don't really need or want to play Angry birds with WASD thanks. I've found Win8 / 8.1 to be pretty stable on the whole, even on a years old desktop I upgraded from XP, it boots up real fast. (Just to add I have used Win 7 also)
I will admit the business/organisation users case, they really always are the most reluctant to change anything and I can see it causing some headaches here. You've got Win7 until 2020 anyway. I always think personally I'd go with some kind of Linux if I had a business... workers will adjust to it, I don't want to hire anyone who can't make the leap from Microsoft Word to Open Office!
Finally, for 'power users' I would say - shut up and go Linux - and as I mentioned earlier, the likes of Ubuntu phone, SteamOS are making it even easier day by day for the general public.
Anyway, the major changes (to a layman) are principally in design/interface issues - sure, these take some adjusting to, and personally it only really made sense once I had a touchscreen device, but it's alright without. Sure the app marketplace isn't as good yet, but you get windows for 'proper' desktop apps anyway, I don't really need or want to play Angry birds with WASD thanks. I've found Win8 / 8.1 to be pretty stable on the whole, even on a years old desktop I upgraded from XP, it boots up real fast. (Just to add I have used Win 7 also)
I will admit the business/organisation users case, they really always are the most reluctant to change anything and I can see it causing some headaches here. You've got Win7 until 2020 anyway. I always think personally I'd go with some kind of Linux if I had a business... workers will adjust to it, I don't want to hire anyone who can't make the leap from Microsoft Word to Open Office!
Finally, for 'power users' I would say - shut up and go Linux - and as I mentioned earlier, the likes of Ubuntu phone, SteamOS are making it even easier day by day for the general public.
One person is a very small sample size though. I work in IT part time and the ratio I see customers having problems with 8 and more specifically 8.1 as opposed to xp, vista, and 7 are at least a good 4:1 if not 5:1.Maxtro said:
It is a very sloppy OS that favors connectivity and style over functionality. OS glitches are common with 8 and especially 8.1, program compatibility is horrid, and even the most basic functions such as powering off or connecting to wifi requires an extra click to three than its previous versions.
my take, Microsoft can unify the kernel and core components across everything from a $200 win phone to a $15000 gaming super-machine all they want, but adjust the UI for different sizes and inputs. windows already knows if your machine is touch enabled, where was the roadblock in using a win7 style menu interface on non-touch machines and only expose the tile UI and edge swipe gestures if it detects a touchscreen? would make more sense to me then trying to keep the UI the same on everything, usability be damned...
Well, right now I'm running windows 8.1 and it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. However, I got a good feeling that Windows 7 is going to be the last good windows OS for business productivity for a while. Windows 9 sounds like they are trying to cram what is currently on the metro UI all onto the desktop, likely via tool bars that pop out of the side of the screen like the current desktop search function of 8.1.
It's basically the same philosophy they took with windows 8.1: help old windows 7 users pretend the new stuff isn't there once they got their computer set up.
It's basically the same philosophy they took with windows 8.1: help old windows 7 users pretend the new stuff isn't there once they got their computer set up.
I jumped from XP to Win7 as well. I tested Vista on a few other computers and read a lot about it, and sure wasn't impressed with what I saw. My last job at a computer repair shop also saw me working on a lot of customer Vista laptops, and pretty much all of them were slow and glitchy. Almost everyone who turned one in wanted win7 or XP on it instead.
We'll see if Win8 is something to be interested in, but frankly as long as my Win7 works with my games and programs (IT'S NOT CALLED APPS, DAMMIT! ) I will likely never switch. Maybe once Win11 rolls along it'll be a good time, but by then the industry might have even shifted to Linux (probably not).
We'll see if Win8 is something to be interested in, but frankly as long as my Win7 works with my games and programs (IT'S NOT CALLED APPS, DAMMIT! ) I will likely never switch. Maybe once Win11 rolls along it'll be a good time, but by then the industry might have even shifted to Linux (probably not).
Aside from the start menu, I have a hard time seeing everyones problem with Windows 8. Is that really it? Clicking start takes you to some squares and that makes it a terrible OS? At least it didn't have the optimization problems Vista had, at least that made sense.
Regardless, I'll stick with 8 for now. I've had zero problems with it. I used to be afraid I would, hearing all the complaining, but once I got it...I thought everyone was just being stupid. It works, and it works great. There are even things they added that I like BETTER.
Regardless, I'll stick with 8 for now. I've had zero problems with it. I used to be afraid I would, hearing all the complaining, but once I got it...I thought everyone was just being stupid. It works, and it works great. There are even things they added that I like BETTER.