Republicans in key states won't say they'll accept results of 2022 election.

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Is it really so hard to believe that Trump, who lost the popular vote TWICE, and never polled above 50%, lost the election fair and square?
People will lie to themselves about anything to make themselves feel better, nor feel like they made the wrong choice. Also, you just have people that are just straight up assholes and only care about themselves or only want people in power from the pettiest reasons. The only reason Trump won the first time around, was because a lot of young people and some older people didn't vote. They were drinking the South Park Kool-Aid of "your vote doesn't matter". The douche versus turd argument I still hate that episode. It sent a bad message to people out there everywhere, and that's possibly what inspired some people to not vote during Trump versus Hillary. Voting does matter, but you can't always just go for the big stuff. You have to go vote for the smaller stuff and medium stuff leading up to the big stuff. Those are just as important, or even more so in a lot of cases.
 
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Interestingly enough the Nazis use of the "Big lie" was to shift blame, claiming the Jews blamed the Germans for losing WW1. In other words, the Jews stole the victory from Germany. Germany actually won WW1, but the Jews forced them to lose.
So yeah...sounds entirely appropriate to call what Trump is doing the Big Lie. Its Trump's Big Lie.
 

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Why are you more concerned with pedantry and policing the exact language used when describing that Republicans are openly stating their contempt for our country's political foundations rather than, you know, Republicans openly stating their contempt for our country's political foundations?
Should we do a show of hands for who feels contempt for the electoral college here? You have no problem with contempt for the country's political foundation, you are just enjoying an excuse to attack Republicans. Democrats have both condemned the form of our elections and accused Republicans of cheating for every Republucan victory in recent memory, and to their credit, the nation isnt falling apart because of it. What's annoying is having two parties but only one gets to complain or else apparently democracy is ending.
 

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Is it really so hard to believe that Trump, who lost the popular vote TWICE, and never polled above 50%, lost the election fair and square?
See, here's the thing: His adherents believe themselves to be "the good guys", who are supposed to win because that's what happens in the movies. Donald Trump was supposed to cruise to re-election with the support of "real Americans" like them, whereas he would have remit to reshape America into their ideal: A place where once more they were lionized and elevated above all others, as is their birthright.

But then Trump lost. His supporters, their dream in shambles, decided that what seemed to have happened- an absolute rejection of their vision by a majority of the country's voters- couldn't possibly have happened; after all, they're the majority, and it is the God-given right of the majority to rule over the minority. So they constructed a fantasy of a vast, evil conspiracy to keep Trump away from the power he deserved, the power they wanted him to have to succor "me and mine" and make "those people" suffer and die. And they believed it with all their shriveled little hearts, because the alternative- a United States where they are the minority- terrifies them.
 

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Kinda sounding like it wasn't a lie, dude.

But even if it was, it wouldn't matter at that point, he already won despite Hillary getting more votes and nothing was changing that. Unlike what he's doing now with his dipshit followers who seek to actively undermine democracy. The only way to change that would be impeachment and removal and republicans wouldn't have done that under any circumstances.

And how many times have they gone after Trump and turned up nothing? What about how the Hunter Biden laptop was fake news when it was in fact real news?

It kinda does though. Harm mitigation is a pretty noble act, especially if the harm the Republicans plan to inflict tend to be extreme.
It's not extreme though, if you wanna say the GOP is worse than the DNC, then fine. However, if the GOP is driving us off the cliff at 100mph, then the DNC is driving us off the cliff at 90mph. What does it matter then? Don't vote either of them into office.

I just want to remind everyone to VOTE! Get all the Republicans [and Democrats] out of office.
Fixed that for ya.
 

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Is it really so hard to believe that Trump, who lost the popular vote TWICE, and never polled above 50%, lost the election fair and square?
It's not about far and square. MAGA world only cares about winning, no matter the cost. Buying into the Big Lie is simply them engaging in identity politics to show they're part of the in-group.
 
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Whatever, just wash your hands.
And how many times have they gone after Trump and turned up nothing? What about how the Hunter Biden laptop was fake news when it was in fact real news?
And turned up nothing? Never, they always turn up a bunch of stuff, but hes amazingly good at wriggling out of personal responsibility. Pretty much every single investigation has yielded arrests and convictions.
 

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And how many times have they gone after Trump and turned up nothing? What about how the Hunter Biden laptop was fake news when it was in fact real news?
Factual news? Is it that the laptop existed or are we talking about the 4chaner who keeps saying they've got the real laptop and are going to show the truth about Joe... for about three years now without actually showing anything
 

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Because they are. Or at least, did did lose portions of the demographic. Dems have a *lousy* ground game in red parts of the country and the GOP is very good at slandering corporatist landlords as "communists" which plays well in places like South Florida, which has a lot of people who've fled communist countries.
 

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Why does it feel like Democrats are losing the Hispanic vote?
Because the Hispanic/Latino vote isn't a monolithic bloc. It's as varied and polarized as any other demo in the US, including black voters, along its key cleavages: socioeconomic class, education, first- or later-generation immigrant status, religion, and region. It's not about how the demo trends overall, it's about how that demo turns out.

Same phenomenon as most other demos nowadays; "swing voters" don't really exist any more, in the traditional sense of unaffiliated voters who make their decision based upon the issues of that cycle. That is to say, people whose votes can be flipped. Rather, it's about encouraging/discouraging turnout among already-affiliated blocs.
 

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And turned up nothing? Never, they always turn up a bunch of stuff, but hes amazingly good at wriggling out of personal responsibility. Pretty much every single investigation has yielded arrests and convictions.
I viewed Trump as a con man long before he ran for office and would never vote for him because of that. That doesn't mean some of the stuff they try to get Trump on is some stupid ass shit either or the fact he's occasionally right on some things (even if just a broken clock).

I wouldn't call it "nothing".

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But please, tell me more about how both parties are the same.

Let me know when they actually get Trump for something. Remember all the claims of "bombshells" and "smoking guns" with the Russian collusion that led to absolutely nothing and with all the information known today, Trump actually looks like his claims were more based in fact than the claims against him. The left has cried wolf far too many times now for me to believe anything until it's 100% fact at this point.


Factual news? Is it that the laptop existed or are we talking about the 4chaner who keeps saying they've got the real laptop and are going to show the truth about Joe... for about three years now without actually showing anything
Literally everyone says the story is not fake news anymore. Even CNN says so.

The New York Post dropped the bombshell story about Hunter Biden’s laptop just weeks before the November 2020 presidential election. It was immediately discredited by current and former intelligence officials, media outlets and political talking heads, but The New York Times and Washington Post later confirmed the legitimacy of the Post’s reporting.

And in a few years time, if the republicans have their way, the votes of the people who do live in America won't count either.
They already don't count...

Why does it feel like Democrats are losing the Hispanic vote?
Maybe they should ease off the LatinX bullshit.