Return Of Kings celebrate 'making The Force Awakens lose $4.2 mil'

[Squanchy]

Sorry to be ignorant, but what is MRA? As for making it lose 4.2 million, pretty sure Disney won't be quaking over that amount.

MRA stands for men's rights activists. I think they recently rebranded to meninists though. They usually have good intentions, though they can be shortsighted, and usually resort to blaming feminists for their issues without looking at the larger picture.

The other major problem they (like their feminist brethren) have is that hooting dickholes, political extremists and deeply sexist shitheads keep hijacking their respective causes, usually to then detriment of meaningful dialogue with each other or legitimate bodies of law and government.

There's meaningful work to be done by such groups, men's mental and physical health is one area we need some great strides in. And pissants like this are gloating about taking a stand by not seeing Star Wars. Fuck these wankers.

People's mental health needs work, and I don't trust or like people who try to separate issues like that by gender.

 

[Blinktv]

Sorry to be ignorant, but what is MRA? As for making it lose 4.2 million, pretty sure Disney won't be quaking over that amount.

It is short for Mens Right Activist. While on paper there is value to be had, these kinds of group are normally insane. Even though Return of Kings( Or whatever their name is) says they dislike MRAs, they're are a great example of what to expect.

 

[Elfgore]

Ahhhhh, I recall the good 'ole days when I thought Return of Kings was a news/opinion site with a cool name.... Not a wretched hive of scum and villainy who are pretty much anti everything.

Just let the insane people enjoy their circlejerk about how awesome they are, attention only makes them stronger.

 

[Zontar]

Even though Return of Kings( Or whatever their name is) says they dislike MRAs, they're are a great example of what to expect.

Isn't this like saying Marxists claim they hate Liberals, but they're a great example of what to expect?

 

[Squanchy]

Even though Return of Kings( Or whatever their name is) says they dislike MRAs, they're are a great example of what to expect.

Isn't this like saying Marxists claim they hate Liberals, but they're a great example of what to expect?

No, it's like saying you don't take their analysis of themselves at face value. Critical Thinking 101

 

[MiskWisk]

Sorry to be ignorant, but what is MRA? As for making it lose 4.2 million, pretty sure Disney won't be quaking over that amount.

MRA stands for men's rights activists. I think they recently rebranded to meninists though. They usually have good intentions, though they can be shortsighted, and usually resort to blaming feminists for their issues without looking at the larger picture.

The other major problem they (like their feminist brethren) have is that hooting dickholes, political extremists and deeply sexist shitheads keep hijacking their respective causes, usually to then detriment of meaningful dialogue with each other or legitimate bodies of law and government.

There's meaningful work to be done by such groups, men's mental and physical health is one area we need some great strides in. And pissants like this are gloating about taking a stand by not seeing Star Wars. Fuck these wankers.

Honestly, by this point, I've come to the conclusion that if they are mentioned in the news as having said something, be it meaningful or not, they are likely the above. The ones who actually are providing that meaningful discourse and changes are actually out doing something, not courting the internet news machine.

Maybe you'll get a couple of groups that are genuinely helpful but they'll likely get mobbed by "well meaning" extremists who will either overshadow or bring the group down.

OT: Well there's your problem OP, you're treating RoK as rational human beings capable of logical thought.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Sorry to be ignorant, but what is MRA? As for making it lose 4.2 million, pretty sure Disney won't be quaking over that amount.

This will better help you understand why so many are opposed to MRA's:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2012/misogyny-sites

The truth is the Men's rights movement was formed not to promote men's rights, but to actually try to stop feminism. Instead of trying to help support shelters and abuse hotlines for men that were created and run by feminists volunteers, they actually tried to block them claiming they were trying to " vaginalize men" or some other ridiculous claim by trying to make it socially acceptable for men to talk openly about their feelings or discuss being raped.

Contrary to what they have promoted( what MRA's and other anti women groups have lied about), Feminists have been addressing men's issues:
http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/12/male-rape-epidemic/
http://www.feminist.com/resources/artspeech/mensvoices1.html
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/06/circumcision-is-feminist-issue/
http://www.feminist.org/911/resources_general.html
http://www.feministtherapy.org/domestic-abuse-family-violence-prevention-links/

So in summary, MRA's basically got their bad rep by lying about feminist, actively trying to block their efforts when it was the feminists organizations that were the ones who created, funded and were running the men's hotlines and shelters, instead of having the MRA's pitch in and help feminist volunteer and support the hotlines and shelters, they just complained about them instead.

Why anti women groups would be opposed to star wars is they had a female leading character, and some anti women groups oppose women being able to do that, and see it "as womenz taking over our stuffs" rather than society showing signs of equality.

 

[Blinktv]

Even though Return of Kings( Or whatever their name is) says they dislike MRAs, they're are a great example of what to expect.

Isn't this like saying Marxists claim they hate Liberals, but they're a great example of what to expect?

Pretty much. One of the very first articles on their page is literally "10 things my dog taught me about women".

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

Even though Return of Kings( Or whatever their name is) says they dislike MRAs, they're are a great example of what to expect.

Isn't this like saying Marxists claim they hate Liberals, but they're a great example of what to expect?

Pretty much. One of the very first articles on their page is literally "10 things my dog taught me about women".

why do I feel like this site should call itself Poeslaw.com

 

[The Jovian]

why do I feel like this site should call itself Poeslaw.com

Believe me I want this website to be a huge parody of misogynistic behavior but I really doubt it's the case, if it were they would've tried to be a little more funny than this. Also if you scroll down to the comment section of their articles you'll see so much politically incorrect, anti-semitic and sometimes downright racist behavior (I think I saw a couple of N-words in there somewhere) that it's impossible to think of this website as anything but 100% serious about the things it's saying.

 

[remnant_phoenix]

How did they know it was 4.2, not 4.1 or 4.3?

And yeah, echoing Zontar, they openly state that they are not part of the MRM. They may look much the same to outsiders, and in many ways they were, but that's like saying Hitler and Stalin were the same.

(Before anyone says it, I don't expect Return of Kings to annex bits of Poland or anything, just using those two are examples of mutually hostile ideologies that seem similar)

At the same time, no reasonable person would earnestly say that Stalin wasn't a bad guy because he wasn't Hitler.

Whoops! There goes my opinion on Return of Kings!

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

why do I feel like this site should call itself Poeslaw.com

Believe me I want this website to be a huge parody of misogynistic behavior but I really doubt it's the case, if it were they would've tried to be a little more funny than this. Also if you scroll down to the comment section of their articles you'll see so much politically incorrect, anti-semitic and sometimes downright racist behavior (I think I saw a couple of N-words in there somewhere) that it's impossible to think of this website as anything but 100% serious about the things it's saying.

stop reading them you're giving them money with your clicks.

 

[OneCatch]

https://twitter.com/ReturnOfKings/status/681520510937636864

So after they 'exposed' The Force Awakens as 'SJW propaganda', they believe they have cost the Force Awakens $4.2 million in lost ticket sales.

Great victory dudes, I'm sure Disney will really miss that $4.2 million from the billion dollars + they've already made.

(changed title as ROK is technically not an MRA site)

That's fucking hilarious.
The way they've come up with that figure is based on a twitter poll, in which 55% of 565 votes said that reading RoK had 'affected' their decision to see the film. They then extrapolated that against 900k site viewers, multiplied by a ticket price to arrive at the figure. Some thoughts:
-Vague question is vague. 'Affected decision' does not mean 'did not go to see film'
-The poll was on Twitter and they're using that against site traffic stats. Non-sequiter
-Even disregarding the above, 565 responses against 900k users suggests a low level of interest at best

Really, this is fantastic. If this kind of statistics is taken seriously now I can finally prove that homeopathy works, that I'm the world's best lover, and that I literally cure cancer through presence alone.

 

[johnnyLupine]

MRA's celebrate 'making The Force Awakens lose $4.2 mil'

I mean seriously these guys think that was a serious hit to a fucking Star Wars movie. talk about sore losers. this sounds like something a Saturday morning cartoon villain would say after he was defeated.

Wait, I remember a news article around November that was bleating this kind of shit, but I thought someone ended up doing some more due diligence and found that it was just one Twitter or blog runner that was firing shit at a wall. Are these clowns for fucking real?

that was a prank I believe but from what I've heard some people did take it seriously. Poe's law in full effect here.

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https://twitter.com/ReturnOfKings/status/681520510937636864

So after they 'exposed' The Force Awakens as 'SJW propaganda', they believe they have cost the Force Awakens $4.2 million in lost ticket sales.

Great victory dudes, I'm sure Disney will really miss that $4.2 million from the billion dollars + they've already made.

Whatever they are, those guys are fucking paranoid jokes.
How did they arrive at that number, anyway? Because I could pull a number from my ass and say they made $40 million because of their diverse cast

But yeah, I scrolled through their twitter page and they are a literal fucking joke, good for a laugh

Spoiler: I found this the most hilarious

I mean these guys have their heads so far up their own asses especially since I've heard no one complain about sjw type messages in this film. they only have a black guy and a woman in it (like the original trilogy).

Lando wasn't really a main character and stabbed han in the back, not the best thing to do, he brought it back but leia was certainly more of a hero although the only thing I remember happening is her choking Jabba (outside of the general damsel in distress stuff)

None of this stuff really matters though, if Disney wants to make some new characters and have them be black of a woman or whatever and be a hero (not seen the movie yet plan on going tomorrow assuming not too hungover). The problem comes when people change existing characters etc.

 

[Fdzzaigl]

I don't care.

I don't care what these people say, what they think, what they say they think. I don't care to hate these people, when I read their article I was like: "I don't fracking care about anything you say", after the first sentence. I just don't give a damn about any sort of twitter / internet rage movement.

Not a single frack.

Actually, why the frack am I here? *Flies away*

 

[DireOwl]

This whole thing is weird. They are just assuming that everyone who read their article was convinced to not see the movie?
I read their article and still saw the movie. I don't agree with their conclusion. Besides this article and a single chan troll on twitter (which the media was all to quick to try and hold up as an entire white male demographic)I haven't seen anyone complaining about the new characters sex and race. The movie was far from perfect, but it had nothing to so with the physical appearance of the characters.

 

[Loonyyy]

Read their numbers.

They're dirty, dirty liars.

They did a twitter poll with 565 respondents for their figure, and then applied it to the people who accessed ROK (Not necessarily people who read the article) and they assumed that their poll is representative. It is not. The people who respond to an ROK twitter poll already follow, and are "engaged" in internet marketting parlance, by ROK. They can't be assumed to represent everyone. The idea that this actually cost them that is ridiculous. In statistics and probability this is what is called a biased sample. Selection bias. The respondents to their poll were already people who followed and responded to ROK on twitter. This is why in all of those studies I see the keen anti-science crowd dismissing, you use a random sample, because otherwise you cannot make any prediction about the whole population.

Far more telling is that among people engaged with ROK, which means, basically, violent misogynists(Read their site, and you should agree), 45% were still willing to put up with a woman and a black man leading them around the galaxy of Star Wars once again. This from "Women shouldn't work" "Why you should date an anorexic" and "Slut face, you either recognize it or you don't" or "In America it would be rape, but sex is what I do" (I'm paraphrasing them, these are all things they've said, but the exact wording escapes me, and giving them more clicks to represent through dishonest statistics can go fuck itself).

I doubt that even the complete dirtbags at ROK are so immune to Star Wars. The idea that they cost them that much is absurd. Every prequel made money, even though they were hated by many. People came back, even for Revenge of the Sith, after being burned twice. I highly doubt anyone who was interested in Star Wars was turned away by the news that there would be *gasp* vaginas and melanin in this one.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

So Return of Kings are stupid enough to consider that this amounts to anything?

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The mind boggles. That is all.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Sorry to be ignorant, but what is MRA? As for making it lose 4.2 million, pretty sure Disney won't be quaking over that amount.

MRA stands for men's rights activists. I think they recently rebranded to meninists though. They usually have good intentions, though they can be shortsighted, and usually resort to blaming feminists for their issues without looking at the larger picture.

I thought the meninist thing was introduced as satire that people took way too seriously. Basically a means of trolling whilst making a point.

If you're happy paying 4 billion for a license it is pretty unlikely that a hypothetical 4 million is of any concern.

 

[Zontar]

I thought the meninist thing was introduced as satire that people took way too seriously. Basically a means of trolling whilst making a point.

Meninism is in fact satire that's only taken seriously by people who aren't meninists, the entire idea being men acting like feminists.

Men's Rights Activists are a different group that, in many cases, are fighting for the legal rights of men such as equal treatment by the courts and an end to both government discrimination in program funding and legal backing to hiring discrimination.

The two are separate groups.