one squirrel said:
LegendaryGamer0 said:
Windknight said:
LegendaryGamer0 said:
Also can someone explain to me what the balls PUA or MGTOW means?
Pick Up Artist, and Men Going Their Own Way.
The former espouse a 'game' that they claim guarantees any man can sleep with any woman they want. Generally involves, at the lowest level, 'negging', and goes all the way up to sexual assault, harassment, mental abuse, coercion and rape.
The latter have sworn off women, but also decided they must at every opportunity remind everyone that women are the source of evil, and the world at large would be better place if they didn't have any rights.
Ah, so former being an SVU episode and the latter being the older form of 3DPD.
Don't believe everything you are being told here. I am not an expert, but as far as I know, the MGTOW philosophy can be described as the belief that our western society is largely gynocentric, and that many of it's institutions, like marriage, perpetuate that gynocentrism at the expense of men, and should therefore be boycotted for the time being. Atleast until family law ec. is changed to be more fair towards men and fathers. Some MGTOW don't even care about that any more, they just want to live their lives without being bothered with traditonal views of what a man ought to be or do.
If that is so, you might ask, then why are they constantly trying to convince other men to join their ranks and preach about how evil women are? Firstly, we don't know how many silent MGTOW there are, because they don't engage in the discussion at all. The only MGTOW we are aware of are necessarily the outspoken ones. Secondly, I do think that telling other men that you don't have to obtain your worth as a man from female approval is a valuable lession to be taught to men, the young ones in particular.
Windknights hyperbolic horseshit about how MGTOW supposedly don't want women to have any rights in order to make the world a better place is just propaganda with little base in reality, trying to paint the MGTOW movement, and in extension, the somewhat related MRAs, in a bad light.
If you, or anyone, really want to know what MGTOW or the MRM is all about, check out their videos on youtube. If they are as bad as their deriders describe them, you will surely be able to see it for yourself. More likely though, you will be pleasantly surprised.
If by pleasantly surprised you mean laughing hysterically, followed with a growing pit of horror in ones stomach that there is a sizable ***** of people who buy into the terrible propaganda spouted by MRAs, MGTOW, Redpillers, and PUAs. The last positive experience I had with a "men's rights" group was with a group focused on general gender equality. That same group had to drop the "men's rights" identifier because the voices of the "MRM" are all pretty much the same as
A Voice for Men, a place known to spout homophobia, transphobia, and often blatant racism.
It also doesn't help that places like
A Voice for Men,
Return of Kings, the various MRM, MGTOW, PUA, and "redpill" social media outlets blast horrible toxic masculinity. Things like the mythical "alpha male", the general superiority of men over women, and spout things like "incel", or "involuntary celibacy". Especially in that last case, with groups of men talking like women owe it to them to have sex with them, because reasons. Then these sorts go off and call other guys who don't buy their message things like; "sad betas", "land whales", and "manginas" who "fake feminism to get sex". Yeah, that's not a toxic movement at all, that isn't on massive insecurity in gender identity and sexuality.
On a side note; recently there was a hashtag called "#MasculinitySoFragile" if I recall correctly. It was based on making fun of products marked towards men that were comically overly "masculine", as in not really masculine at all, just playing at the idea. Like a shower loofah that was designed to look like a hand grenade. How did "The Manosphere" respond to this hash tag? With overt hostility, taking it as some sort of personal insult and missing the entire point of the joke. Which just further backs up the idea that "The Manosphere" clings to personal insecurity.
Worse still is that the "MRM", or "MRHM" will go out of it's way to attempt to shut down programs and shelters designed to help men. While there a few isolated incidents of feminist groups doing the same thing, "MRAs" will do it to "prevent the pussification of western men". Then after going out of their way to shut down a resource that was supposed to help men, they point fingers blaming "evil feminists" for the fact there are so few resources for men. Then what is it they do help men? Continue to point fingers at "evil feminists", "gyoncenterism", and "the matriarchy that oppresses men". Yeah color me unimpressed with the entire "Manosphere", because I've yet to see a single instance of any of them doing anything productive to help men, instead going to absurd lengths to be counter productive.
Also for the "silent MGTOW", well considering that I know lots of guys who are happy in the single life and don't identify as "MGTOWs", instead saying they're just bachelors, or single dudes... Um... I'm not sure I buy the existence of "silent MGTOW", because it seems that the entire fiber of the "MGTOW" identity is to sit around complaining about how awful women are. That is how awful women that they don't want any relationship with are, which really sounds like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
Edit: Although when it comes to the "silent MGTOW", proving their existence is proving a negative, because they're not vocal about being "MGTOW". So any discussion there wouldn't really amount to anything more than empty speculation. So the only "MGTOW" set I can actually see is the one that less "goes their own way" and more sits stubbornly in place complaining about women.
