It would help if people who have played it would do a better job of commenting on it, as opposed to sounding like they're trying to write psalms. I have never played a game so good that I could not describe what was great about it in less esoteric terms than "MGS is frustrating. But, IMO, a good way." Honestly, you're barely a step away from dismissing the need to actually critique the game by claiming that MGS4 works in mysterious ways.mitsoxfan said:
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Clearly you're hooked on Tetris. Is it not enough that a non-MGS fan say 'If you like gaming, buy this game'? Or would you prefer I tap your psyche to try and figure out what exactly it is that makes you enjoy gaming.BloodSquirrel said:
If you are looking for a completely objective critique of anything, I'm sorry, you won't find that in a human driven forum.
How about this: The next time you ask for an opinion of a game, code it in BASIC and pass it through an LISP AI process. Perhaps then you will get the review that you seek.
Until then, drop a couple bucks and rent the damn game. Or, as many have suggest it, go out on a limb and buy it.
I'm really trying to figure out what thought process could have lead to this-mitsoxfan said:
"Gee, he's just expressed cynicism toward the lack of substance in my MGS4 review. You know what will really throw him off balance? If I just openly come out and say that he should blindly accept my opinion without it being justified in any way!
'And then God said, thou shalt see the goodness that is MGS4, and thou shalt not ask why, lest my anger wax hot against you.'"
Really, this conversation can be summed up in three lines:
MGS4 IS THE BEST EVAR!
Why is it the best ever?
BECAUSE SHUT UP THAT'S WHY!
I'm inclined to agree with you, BloodSquirrel. I'm new to the MGS series, not averse to jumping on board, but all the hyperbole flying around - all this talk of Kojima's 'love letter' to his fans - makes me feel like I'm too late to join the party.
For those who have never played an MG/MGS:
1) Yes, you can play this without skipping anything and "get" the story. You may be confused as hell. You may think it's over the top. You may actually enjoy it for any of the several ways I understand it to be enjoyed (my way of enjoying it isn't the only one I'm sure). There's about 6 hours (that's 3 movies) worth of expository story performed by top professional voice actors and excellent motion capture for the animations. The timing during dialog could be tighter almost everywhere, but I've never seen a game get that right yet, so I won't ding MGS4 too much for it. The action scenes are stellar. Having played the former games only serves as an indicator that you've already experienced this sort of thing before and weren't totally turned off by it. And if all else fails, there is the MGDB on PSN.
2) Don't Panic. You can also skip almost every cut scene and bypass 95% of the story (this is true for all the MG/MGS games in my experience) and experience 5-20 hours, depending on how fast you are replaying, of very exciting stealth action with an astronomical replay value due to a built-in achievements system. In fact, many fans like myself do option 1 first, then option 2 several times to complete the achievements. That 5 hour figure is _the_most_brutal_and_speedy_path_, not an indication of how much content is actually there.
3) The second to last scene will demonstrate to you what interactive fiction is meant to be, in my opinion. When you understand the term, "tunnel crawl", you will know what I mean. I almost cried. Twice. I'd put it up there with what happens to Aerith in FFVII on the scale of evoked emotional response from a video game. Truly, a peak moment for the craft.
4) If you are averse to risk, rent it, and savor/lament having to return it (or rerent) before your 3rd speed/stealth/extreme run is complete. If you have any hide at all, buy it; it's a keeper and an instant classic.
I hope this helps those who want spoiler-free, concrete justification for calling this a must-see game.
1) Yes, you can play this without skipping anything and "get" the story. You may be confused as hell. You may think it's over the top. You may actually enjoy it for any of the several ways I understand it to be enjoyed (my way of enjoying it isn't the only one I'm sure). There's about 6 hours (that's 3 movies) worth of expository story performed by top professional voice actors and excellent motion capture for the animations. The timing during dialog could be tighter almost everywhere, but I've never seen a game get that right yet, so I won't ding MGS4 too much for it. The action scenes are stellar. Having played the former games only serves as an indicator that you've already experienced this sort of thing before and weren't totally turned off by it. And if all else fails, there is the MGDB on PSN.
2) Don't Panic. You can also skip almost every cut scene and bypass 95% of the story (this is true for all the MG/MGS games in my experience) and experience 5-20 hours, depending on how fast you are replaying, of very exciting stealth action with an astronomical replay value due to a built-in achievements system. In fact, many fans like myself do option 1 first, then option 2 several times to complete the achievements. That 5 hour figure is _the_most_brutal_and_speedy_path_, not an indication of how much content is actually there.
3) The second to last scene will demonstrate to you what interactive fiction is meant to be, in my opinion. When you understand the term, "tunnel crawl", you will know what I mean. I almost cried. Twice. I'd put it up there with what happens to Aerith in FFVII on the scale of evoked emotional response from a video game. Truly, a peak moment for the craft.
4) If you are averse to risk, rent it, and savor/lament having to return it (or rerent) before your 3rd speed/stealth/extreme run is complete. If you have any hide at all, buy it; it's a keeper and an instant classic.
I hope this helps those who want spoiler-free, concrete justification for calling this a must-see game.
I felt the story for metal gear 4 was asinine, convoluted sophomoric and prattling. If you trimmed the fat there would be a great story burred deep beneath the lard. It's a very modern approach to Japanese videogame storytelling. Beat the player viciously over the head with pragmatic boring morals and world views until he's driven insane or brainwashed into believing the same left wing sanitized tripe you do.
SPOILER WARNING:
The answer to everything that ever happened in the metal gear universe is nano-machines. I'm not BSing. Hideo uses this as a flimsy plot crutch for everything from the beginning to the End. It wasn't brilliant writing when it was used liberally on Star Trek voyager and guess what it still isn't now.
SPOILER WARNING:
The answer to everything that ever happened in the metal gear universe is nano-machines. I'm not BSing. Hideo uses this as a flimsy plot crutch for everything from the beginning to the End. It wasn't brilliant writing when it was used liberally on Star Trek voyager and guess what it still isn't now.
Personally, this was the first Metal Gear game I had ever played (well, technically about 5 minutes of Acid before, but that doesn't count) and I would say I'm enjoying the hell out of it. While there were some small details of the story I didn't know (ex. Origin of some of the characters)I understood the overall story. And although the gameplay was not very long, I loved the way I could do each little section differently. The game also has great replay value in the way you could replay to get different emblems (like, 1 for not killing anybody). Overall, this is a great game and should be bought by everyone.
Also, if you have never played a stealth game (like Splinter Cell) than you might need to rent it. Although if you have played stealth games and enjoyed them then this is a definate buy.
Also, if you have never played a stealth game (like Splinter Cell) than you might need to rent it. Although if you have played stealth games and enjoyed them then this is a definate buy.
MGS4 is the best game ever because its a fitting end to the best series ever. IMO, its a perfect game;amazing graphics,a storyline that actually makes you feel attached to the characters, its just such a well made,epic cinematic game. I kinda aggree that its fan service, but being a fan, i think Kojima has done a fine job. ive played it through twice, and im waiting til i get HD tv to play it again
Good review man.
I must say that more than an year after the release of MGS4 i'm still anxious to replay this game for, i think, the sixth time, and as soon as i have some spare time i will do just that.
Just like someone already said it, this is a 200% experience and it's not an ovestatement in the least.
I must say that more than an year after the release of MGS4 i'm still anxious to replay this game for, i think, the sixth time, and as soon as i have some spare time i will do just that.
Just like someone already said it, this is a 200% experience and it's not an ovestatement in the least.
